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Got wood?

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-Uwe-
A load like that is worth about 2 k euros around here if it s a "hard wood ".
 
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Words have consequences. The tendency and lack of respect for each other - even by calling sb. names, is almost always a clear indicator for a lack of factual arguments. But then again, this thread has little to do with actual factual arguments but rather is just a bunch of folks in a bar, talking about stuff most here lack the complex understanding of the situation. Just because it's plausible to you or supports your opinion, doesn't mean it's actually what happens, nor that this is what is best for society.
Yes..and sanctions have consequences too . I am paying for them , no govt anywhere in EU did a referendum to get people s opinion on supporting the " Ukraine cause ". If they did and then more than 50% would ve agreed on it then yeah..i d shut up and take it because hey..that s been polled and that s what we re going to do. But no...i just got thrown into the mix and now i m paying 4 times more for energy , gas and food . The hell with it...As for broken political promisses , i d say that EU govt*s have broken the promise to look after their own people ...
 
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The Greeks in the city state of Athens in one of the first "democracies" required all citizens ( i.e. no slaves could vote who made up a large proportion of the population) to vote directly on all major issues of city administration. This is not possible or practical for the larger and more complex nation states of today so representatives are elected to make the decisions and you can not vote for them if you don't like what they do. Not ideal maybe in your view but ..

Try that with your mate. Did he ask for a referendum on starting a war ? And did he allow free vote on his election or a free opposition or a free media to put different views... I think not...

The elected governments of the democratic world have made their decision so vote them out if you and enough of your fellow citizens don't like it....

Personally I think defending the free world from imperialist autocrats is worth the limited sacrifices so far and much more may be required in the future. But then it appears many people take freedom for granted and not worth fighting for as has always been the case.

just my personal opinion
 
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Again, I wish to luck. I think you're going to need it, but of course much depends on just how cold the coming winter will be, and how stubborn your government is about its boycott of Russian gas.
I take your honest and well meant wishes and agree, let's hope for a rather warm winter - as that would certainly help with the situation.

If you're interested, CORREKTIV just published an in depth article about how Germany got in this mess in the first place. Considering your liberal views, I'd would expect you to oppose any state sanctioned actions like these done by Russia, to the disadvantage of the European and German people.


BTW: Since everybody here is concerned, the market price for natural gas is actually going DOWN in Germany. This tells you that reasonable actions like changing sources, progressing immensely fast towards renewables and other alternative electricity sources are reflected in the pricing.

 
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If you're interested, CORREKTIV just published an in depth article about how Germany got in this mess in the first place.
Russian gas in Germany has been a thing for a very long time. In the mid 1960s, my uncle and aunt moved into an apartment (Eigentumswohnung) in a brand-new four-family house in Freiburg. Initially, the building was heated with oil, and it had a dedicated room in the basement with 8 big oil tanks; I would guess they were each 1000 liters or more. On a visit in mid the 1970s, I asked why so many tanks. "So we can buy oil only once a year in the summer, when it's cheaper". On a visit in the mid 1980s (before the collapse of the Soviet Union!), I noticed the tanks were gone and asked how they were heating the building now. "With Russian gas!"

the market price for natural gas is actually going DOWN in Germany.
Let me know when it gets back to down to around the long-term average of 2-3 Euros from the current ~8.

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A load like that is worth about 2 k euros around here if it s a "hard wood ".
There is some oak - not much, some Birch - not too much, and mostly it is Tulip Poplar. Poplar is considered a hard wood but is a softer hard wood. Energy value is lower than oak. It is named Tullip Poplar owing to the colors in the wood. (https://www.uky.edu/hort/Tulip-Poplar)

Now we need to get back on topic.
 
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There is some oak - not much, some Birch - not too much, and mostly it is Tulip Poplar.
oak, birch ... very good wood to burn , high energy value when really dry. Poplar , fast burning, lower energy value... So then i'd make that pile to be worth about 700-1000 euros :)
Now we need to get back on topic.
that was on topic...alternative heating sources :)
 
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The elephant in the room. What does the general mobilization of 300,000 men do to aid Russia in it's war efforts? Based on initial reports out of Russia, I'd say it certainly puts pressure on the Russian public/people. Now these 300,000 men need to be equipped and trained. Pardon my ignorance, but looking at the existing issues with troop equipment, training and moral - more canon fodder isn't gonna help. It will just raise the anger of the Russian people by loosing their sons, husbands and fathers in an unjust and needless war.

Related: OSINT has been really helpful to get a general and less biased look on what is happening in UA. Analysts like Oryx are doing an outstanding job ob documenting losses on both sides.


 
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They have just released the British POW’s, I get the feeling Putin is about to get a strange 9mm itch between his ears…
 
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...and here we go.


....directly followed by...

 
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The elephant in the room. What does the general mobilization of 300,000 men do to aid Russia in it's war efforts? Based on initial reports out of Russia, I'd say it certainly puts pressure on the Russian public/people. Now these 300,000 men need to be equipped and trained. Pardon my ignorance, but looking at the existing issues with troop equipment, training and moral - more canon fodder isn't gonna help. It will just raise the anger of the Russian people by loosing their sons, husbands and fathers in an unjust and needless war.

Related: OSINT has been really helpful to get a general and less biased look on what is happening in UA. Analysts like Oryx are doing an outstanding job ob documenting losses on both sides.


I like your posts on this topic b/c they are well presented even if I do not necessarily agree and perhaps b/c you infuse a little more emotion than I think is necessary to support your argument. Please so not take this as condescending.
Your confident sounding statement that the mobilization is general recruits is at odds with what the Russians say which is that it is confined to former veteran specialists. Of course we don't know but your assertion weakens credibility unnecessarily. Pedantic?
 
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So Russia is now trying to prevent military-age men from leaving the country, the same way Ukraine did all the way back in late February or early March?

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mobilization is general recruits is at odds with what the Russians say which is that it is confined to former veteran specialists.
My understanding is that it is reservists and former members of the military. The latter might be a heck of a lot of men since Russia does have a draft, but it's not entirely clear how universal it is, and I suppose everyone who once served a mandatory 12-month stint could be considered a former member.

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Uwe - I think there is a difference between being invaded by a major nuclear power who says you have no right to exist as a country and a "special military operation" and how you respond to the two situations... particularly if it has not gone as planned.

Ukraine was openly fighting for its very right to exist and has done what's been needed to build up its armed forces to combat and push back the invaders so far.

Russia is on a path of imperialistic expansion invading territory, annexing it to Russia and then threatening nuclear war if you want your territory back. It does not want to admit to even its own people the losses it has sustained and continues to be deliberately vague about the war that's illegal to call a war ( talk about "1984 big brother" speak) and why it needs to conscript more people as soldiers than it already has done. It has nominally 2 million people in its armed forces but appears to struggle to put more than a couple of hundred thousand on the ground in Ukraine ?

While your observation is correct I believe the implied parallel you are trying to draw is false
 
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Yes, stopping your men from leaving to defend your country is different to stopping them to invade another, one is survival and the other attack. Looking at @Sebsastian flight radar graphic I could not help thinking "rats leaving the sinking ship"
 
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Yes, stopping your men from leaving to defend your country
If they believed the country (actually the country's government) was worth defending, the would not leave to begin with.

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Your country is your country, not matter what the government... they come and go but treachery is treason.
 
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If they believed the country (actually the country's government) was worth defending, the would not leave to begin with.

-Uwe-
I believe not everyone wants to die for their country / government. I'm also not shure if i would. Country maybe, but actually government no.
 
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