FEC/SWaP (Enabling APPCONNECT Apple/Android) in MIB unit possible to add codes with OBD11 and ODIS but not VCDS--- WHY?

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And that help me? :-) Because I'm not so nicely in speaking via PM :-)
 
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There is an important step that needs to be switched ON and Uwe can tell you how to do this, RT have asked that it's not published publicly. I had to ask for it too and then the process you are trying will work.
 
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Uwe sent me it and now I dont need ODIS and VCP :-)
 
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Hi,
I have the same problem as my colleagues in this thread, I need to know that missing step about switching from standard mode to EOL mode. I'll probably type the mode number in the security access unit window, but what? Please, give me an advice. Thank you.
I suspect you're missing an important step and you might need to re-read the thread from the very beginning. ;)

-Uwe-
 
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hmm.......... I'm aware that this matter has been discussed previously - but this is totally bizarre (IMO)!

Either the EOL instructions for VCDS are in the public domain, or they are not - Shirley it's a binary thing !!

With due respect to Ross-Tech and the current process - when a PM/email request is sent, what decision making criteria does Ross-Tech use behind the scene to disclose (or not) these instructions?

Is this criteria simply a warning that caution is needed with the EOL facility (i.e. an overt confirmation of "user-beware" to mitigate a legal risk to Ross-Tech)? Or is the requesting user required to digitally "sign" a risk waiver in Ross-Tech's favor? Or are these instructions ONLY available to professionals - defined in some way by Ross-Tech ?

If the first option above, why can't the same cautions be added to the software and the facility made available to all. If not the first option - can users be told what the threshold criteria is for allowing access to the EoL function which Ross-Tech publicly discloses is available in VCDS, please?

Don
 
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can users be told what the threshold criteria is for allowing access to the EoL function which Ross-Tech publicly discloses is available in VCDS, please?
The threshold is to contact me privately, and tell me what you intend to use this facility for. IMO, it's a bad idea for people to use it willy-nilly.

-Uwe-
 
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The threshold is to contact me privately, and tell me what you intend to use this facility for. IMO, it's a bad idea for people to use it willy-nilly.

-Uwe-
@Uwe: Thank you for the response - I feel the need to add that in asking my previous questions - I should have said that I fully acknowledge Ross-Tech's right to decide this matter in any way that it chooses (of course). I also should have said that it wasn't my intention to criticize the current practice (per se) - my primary aim was to seek an understanding of the reasoning behind the current protocol! My apology for these omissions!

I really do understand your desire to minimize possible harm from the facility - and in a sense, it's a laudable objective for Ross-Tech to take-on this "guardianship" role (albeit I might not agree)

However and with the important caveats above (and with your indulgence, a little further) - I invite that you consider the following: If you agree that the requesting user's intent is legitimate and a decision is made to disclose the EOL instructions - isn't the "genie is out of the bottle" for the user?

By this I mean that the threshold basis for Ross-Tech's initiating authority to gain access to the EOL instructions can never apply for any subsequent use of the facility. It logically follows therefore (I think) that the harm mitigation objective which appears to be the central platform for this protocol is extremely limited (i.e. it's at best a one-time-only facility)! And of course, the entire basis of the protocol assumes that the requesting user is honest (i.e. the user isn't dumb-enough to provide a silly reason for wanting EOL access)!

I tread very gently here and again, I intend no offense - I simply seek to understand

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If you agree that the requesting user's intent is legitimate and a decision is made to disclose the EOL instructions - isn't the "genie is out of the bottle" for the user?
Sure, but at that point I have some idea that the user is responsible and knows what he's doing, rather than being someone who's just poking around with, "I wonder what this button does?" Hence I prefer this facility to remain undocumented and un-obvious, and if someone has a legitimate use for it, they must ask.

-Uwe-
 
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@Uwe: understood - I truly envy your ability to make these judgements from a PM, or email request!!

Anyhow - I hope that no one else reads beyond this point - but given your obvious abilities, I suspect that you recognize a barracuda-like tenacity of conviction in the diatribe that I have left littered throughout this forum - like the fecal droppings of someone afflicted with diarrhea (end of analogy - I promise)!!

It may not be obvious, but sometimes (on very few occasions), I'm able to see when I'm flogging-a-dead-horse and at this point in our discussion, I'm sensing no equine heartbeat !!! :thumbs:

So, I won't labor the point any further - but thank you for participating!

Don

PS: as an aside and again with absolutely no offense intended - one of the consequences of my self-conviction is a life-long decision never to participate in processes with which I can't agree. EOL is a very trivial example of this; I use other devices for this function for which I don't have to rely on the manufacturer to decide whether I can be trusted with software!!
 
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Arrrhh.............. I've just figured it out !!

Even though I don't agree with the process, in polite submission and respect for the Ross Tech protocol, I won't disclose. However and not surprisingly (and as expected), either something is in the public domain, or it is not - and it would appear that EOL for VCDS is in the public domain. So Mr Google is your friend

hint: many already know the answer although they may not realize it (as was the case for me)!! :thumbs:

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Is it possible still to download VCDS 22.3.1.4 with the fix for the SwAP adaptation field length?

The limit of 1 byte still applies in 22.3.1 which is the release version I have from the web site.


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In 22.3.1 its fixed used it many times since release. It doesn't matter if EN or DRV Version
 
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That's strange - I get a warning like "Please enter only one hex byte separated by spaces" when trying to enter the long SWaP code into the IDE4330 channel.

The steps I'm taking are:

1. Open 5F, wait for session to start
2. < Make the necessary mode change >
3. Confirm that the IDE4330 channel is available (yes, shows FF)
4. Open IDE4330-Transfer of release code for a SWaP function
5. Paste generated code
6. Do It!
7. Error comes up like: "what you have entered is longer than what is saved in the channel do you want to continue", choose Yes
8. Error comes up like: "Please enter only one hex byte separated by spaces"
9. Can't continue... :-(

I get the same result whether I put spaces between the bytes or just paste as one long string.

Here is my scan... the 5F is a Discovery Media Technisat/Preh.

Can you help me work out what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you for any help...



Code:
Thursday,09,June,2022,21:50:43:39451
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64(VMWare)
VCDS Version 22.3.1.4 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4615.4
Data version: 20220407 DS337.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZAUZEW35xxxx   License Plate: xxxx
Mileage: 57776km-35900mi   Repair Order: 9999



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Chassis Type: AU-VW37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 14 15 16 17 19 22 42 44 52 55 5F A9

VIN: WVWZZZAUZEW353373   Mileage: 57776km-35900miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CJXC)       Labels:. 06K-907-425-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 906 259 B    HW: 06K 907 425 B
   Component: 2.0l R4 TFSI  H13 0102
   Revision: --H13---    CVN: BB15373B
   Coding: 091D00322426050B2004
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0205G0906259B 001003
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0205G0906259B.rod
   VCID: 2D07F56F6D989FD3549-8079
   VINID: 9E69EAAAA465A959C31430C70C5556BF9A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0D9-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 0D9 300 012 L    HW: 02E 927 770 AQ
   Component: DQ250-6A MQB  H53 4517
   Revision: 03253104    Serial number: TFK01407150115 CVN: 0000141E
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 04742 780 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ250021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ250021.rod
   VCID: 1F1B1FA717347D43D65-804B

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 AA    HW: 5Q0 907 379 G
   Component: ESC           H31 0457
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 6066400000010B
   Coding: 01FA93A15425296F037A070741C66980C92A94C0E08296F7004200F8C208
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_033_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7BA30B37E36CC1639AD-802F

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 907 044 AA    HW: 5G0 907 044 AA
   Component: Climatronic   H02 0805
   Revision: 00001K06  
   Coding: 00120004200100011005000000101000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 003018
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_003_VW37.rod
   VCID: 66954A4388EE6C8B553-8033

   Fresh air blower control module (front):

   A/C pressure/coolant temperature sensor:

   Air quality sensor:

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 AE    HW: 5Q0 937 084 AE
   Component: BCM MQBAB H   H16 0124
   Serial number: 00011407101272
   Coding: 03001A46C24122F30BA44080B10C07281000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 012001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_012.rod
   VCID: 7BA30B37E36CC1639AD-802F

   Wiper motor control module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G2 955 119 A    HW: 5G2 955 119 A  Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS    140302  042 0551
   Serial number:         140305200301
   Coding: 0E4DFD

   Rain/Light Recognition Sensor:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547     HW: 5Q0 955 547   Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLFS  024 0042
   Serial number: Y14M03D18H19M28S17S9
   Coding: 06A8DD

   Anti-theft alarm system sensor:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 172     HW: 5Q0 951 172
   Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0315
   Serial number: 000000000ZY140481774

   Alarm horn:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605
   Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311
   Serial number: 00000000000028779421

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 919 294 F    HW: 5Q0 919 294 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H03 0142
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 39331407601015
   Coding: 0031151011
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 002024
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3E25C223B0FE144BFD3-806B

No fault code found.

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Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250)       Labels: 5Q0-907-376.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 376     HW: 5Q0 907 376
   Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H15 0115
   Serial number: 17021441350079
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DRCONTITEMIC 001019
   ROD: EV_DRCONTITEMIC_VW37.rod
   VCID: 76B51A03D84E9C0BE53-8023

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 AA    HW: 5Q0 959 655 AA
   Component: AirbagVW20    014 0386
   Serial number: 003MLR04DB6L
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CF00C800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002130
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7F5BFF27F774DD43B65-802B

   Left seat belt tensioner:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 980 945 B    HW: 5G0 980 945 B
   Component: BeltPretRevFL  H35 0341
   Serial number: 34169677B17031471534
   Coding: 333135

   Right seat belt tensioner:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 980 946 B    HW: 5G0 980 946 B
   Component: BeltPretRevFR  H35 0341
   Serial number: 34169676B17031471583
   Coding: 333135

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 303 14
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887
   Serial number: 35767000000A1B092F0X
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 103 14
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887
   Serial number: 35867000000488E80F00
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 703 14
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149
   Serial number: 35165029B14D3E72B23G
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 703 14
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149
   Serial number: 3526502C512F62919188
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 303 14
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149
   Serial number: 3556502B914476B1F15F
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J524)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 521 P    HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
   Component: Lenks.Modul   075 0135
   Revision: FF027027    Serial number: 20140311400263
   Coding: 0410
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001015
   ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB.rod
   VCID: 3FDBBF27B7F41D43F65-806B

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5G6 920 870 B    HW: 5G6 920 870 B
   Component: KOMBI         314 2210
   Coding: 27AD0808BB80000800087A00040000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 008031
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_008_VW37.rod
   VCID: 2E05F263609EE4CB6D3-807B

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 Q    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
   Component: GW MQB High   125 1164
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0001723779
   Coding: 030100042B085900FF00026E9C0F00010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   GVL: 01D43C1000000000400C10000000CC0000000000000000000000000000000000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 010015
   ROD: EV_GatewLear_010.rod
   VCID: 3FDBBF27B7F41D43F65-806B

   Generator:

   Multifunction steering wheel control module:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 M    HW: 5G0 959 442 M  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H11 0103
   Serial number: 29160001933560046415
   Coding: 29FFFF

   Battery Monitoring Control Module:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 E    HW: 5Q0 915 181 E
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8043
   Serial number: 9791872703        

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels:* 0CQ-907-554.clb
   Part No SW: 0CQ 907 554 D    HW: 0CQ 907 554 D
   Component: Haldex4Motion H52 7076
   Serial number: HA1-00012.02.14
   Coding: 0001
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X 002001
   ROD: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X.rod
   VCID: 46D5AAC3E82E4C8BB53-8013

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 593 B    HW: 5Q0 959 593 B
   Component: TSG FS        020 0025
   Serial number: 08031403110303
   Coding: 003F0220D001048000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 40D9BCDBCA0A62BB8FF-8015

   Rear Driver Side Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 812 A    HW: 5Q0 959 812 A  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: FOND_FHSG_DRV  005 0005
   Serial number: 00000000000002154744
   Coding: 1D0000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 909 144 F    HW: 3Q0 909 144 F
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  503 5043
   Coding: 8103
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 010031
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_010.rod
   VCID: 3537DD0F85C8D7132C9-8061

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 592 B    HW: 5Q0 959 592 B
   Component: TSG BFS       020 0025
   Serial number: 10031402090480
   Coding: 003F0020DE01048000801000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 3FDBBF27B7F41D43F65-806B

   Rear Passenger Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 811 A    HW: 5Q0 959 811 A  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: FOND_FHSG_PSG  005 0005
   Serial number: 00000000000002133561
   Coding: 050000

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels:| 7P6-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 907 357 D    HW: 7P6 907 357 A
   Component: AFS-ECU       H07 0090
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 02A602000B000200
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSMQB 001120
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSMQB.rod
   VCID: 40D9BCDBCA0A62BB8FF-8015

   Left Headlamp Power Output Stage:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3D0 941 329     HW: 3D0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: LeiMo links  H05 0012
   Coding: 2E0000

   Right Headlamp Power Output Stage:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 3D0 941 329     HW: 3D0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: LeiMo rechts  H05 0012
   Coding: 2E0000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 035 874 C    HW: 3Q0 035 874 C
   Component: MU-S-ND-ER    H41 0468
   Serial number: VWZAZ2T1869482
   Coding: 02730001FF0000001111000100080A001F0107D6012001008E
   Shop #: WSC 00046 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW37.rod
   VCID: 323DE61374A6C02B09B-8067

   Display and control head 1 for information electronics:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3G0 919 605 D    HW: 3G0 919 605 D
   Component: ABT_Std-2_Nav  H53 1031
   Serial number: VWZ8Z9SJU043RR    

   Data carrier:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5NA 919 866 C    HW: -----------
   Component: MRM2 2018/19  --- 1010
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address A9: Struct. Borne Sound (J869)       Labels: 4H0-907-159.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 907 159 B    HW: 4H0 907 159 A
   Component: SAS-GEN 2     H07 0006
   Serial number: 140225200044
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 003010
   ROD: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X.rod
   VCID: 2D07F56F6D989FD3549-8079

No fault code found.

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Hmmm… interesting. I redownloaded 22.3.1 and used the updater on the .de site and now VCDS is showing data version 20220530 DS337.1 rather than 20220407 DS337.0 as shown previously in the scan.

Maybe that was it - I will retest later today.
 
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I retested with the updated data version and the same issue occurs.

I also noticed that if I enter just 00 as the New Value, I still get the error of "Your input appears to be a different length from the stored value. Are you sure you want to continue?", but it does accept it in that case.

 
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... any help is very much appreciated. :banghead:
 
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Unless you ask @Uwe for the access code, it will never work.
 
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Thanks, yes, I have spoken to Uwe to get into the correct mode. I still hit a 1 byte limit though on the channel.

is there also a security code required or some such? - I did try 20103 without success.
 
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Solved it!

I was looking at the wrong part of the error message. Rather than the error being "Please enter 1 hexadecimal bytes" the error was actually "Please enter 1 hexadecimal bytes".

The problem was not the length of the input, but rather that there was an invalid character in the hex entry. I had AO (Oh) rather than A0 (zero) in the VCRN portion of the code due to a typo and that was what was stopping the entry being accepted.

Took a while to nut out, but got there in the end. Thanks to those who read these messages and provided help.
 
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The code don't need to be seperated by spaces, but yes "O" and "0" should be correct ;-)
 
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