Not able to group measuring blocks/ no turbo button hex v2

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Hey everyone, I've had a couple VAG vehicles and work on my own stuff but have no experience with vcds. I was trying to do some data logging to figure out a boost issue on my c5 Allroad and I have no grouping button or turbo button for faster sampling. I'm using a hex v2 Dual-k & CAN USB interface with windows 10. The car is a 2003 Allroad 2.7t 01e transmission. I start by connecting the laptop and car with cable, switch key to on position, open vcds, select control module, engine, advanced measure blocks, and then pick a few blocks. the sample rate is super low 2-3 and there's no group selections button. Hopefully I'm just missing something simple. If anyone has any suggestions it would be much appreciated.
 
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I'm using a hex v2 Dual-k & CAN USB interface with windows 10. The car is a 2003 Allroad 2.7t 01e transmission.
Yeah, you definitely can't "group" them since that ECU certainly doesn't use the newer UDS protocol. In fact, I'm pretty confident it doesn't even use KWP-2000; that it runs the very old-school KW1281, a protocol that was first used in the early 1990s and doesn't lend itself to the "Turbo" performance tweaks. The problem with KW1281 protocol is that each and every byte that the ECU sends must be acknowledged by the scan tool before the ECU will send the next one, and there's no mechanism to increase the bit rate either.

You may be able to get a little more buy tweaking things on the Options screen, but it won't be much:

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Yeah, you definitely can't "group" them since that ECU certainly doesn't use the newer UDS protocol. In fact, I'm pretty confident it doesn't even use KWP-2000; that it runs the very old-school KW1281, a protocol that was first used in the early 1990s and doesn't lend itself to the "Turbo" performance tweaks. The problem with KW1281 protocol is that each and every byte that the ECU sends must be acknowledged by the scan tool before the ECU will send the next one, and there's no mechanism to increase the bit rate either.

You may be able to get a little more buy tweaking things on the Options screen, but it won't be much:

-Uwe-
Yeah my protocol reads kw1281, thanks for the responses! I did a few log sessions and it seems to make some sense even with the slower sample rate. I found groups of blocks when scrolling through the selections and if I pick blocks within the group it keeps the sample rate from dropping from 2.5 to ~1
 
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Auto Scan would be welcome here. :cool:

I understand my problem but here's an Auto Scan anyways!


Code:
Tuesday,12,October,2021,19:47:25:00614
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 21.9.0.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4555.4
Data version: 20210903 DS330.0
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VIN: WA1YD64B73N063006   License Plate:


Chassis Type: 4B (4B - Audi A6/S6/RS6/allroad C5 (1998 > 2005))
Scan: 01 02 03 06 08 15 16 17 18 22 34 35 36 37 45 55 56 57 65 67
          75 76 77
 
VIN: WA1YD64B73N063006   
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 551 R
   Component: U25AN34.hex LEV G  x     
   Coding: 07715
   Shop #: WSC 02334 
   VCID: 52FD73143DFF67FB415-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXYOUR
   Component: VIN HEREXX     XXXIMMO IDXXXX 
   XXYOUR VIN HEREXX     XXXIMMO IDXXXX

5 Faults Found:
16885 - Vehicle Speed Sensor
            P0501 - 35-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
19718 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S2 / B2 S2 Connections Swapped
            P3262 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
            P1602 - 35-10 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
17834 - EVAP Purge Valve (N80)
            P1426 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
17947 - Clutch Pedal Switch (F36)
            P1539 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
Readiness: 0010 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 389 A
   Component: ABS/ESP allrad      D56 
   Coding: 06495
   Shop #: WSC 12345 
   VCID: 4ACD6B74D5AF2F3B395-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 4B0-820-043-MY1.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 820 043 L
   Component: A6-Klimavollautomat D64 
   Coding: 00160
   Shop #: WSC 02325 
   VCID: 2313E6D012F5DE739A3-2596

1 Fault Found:
01582 - Signal for Coolant Temperature
            30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 4B0-959-655-AI84.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 959 655 J
   Component: Airbag 8.4EP        2000 
   Coding: 0000607
   Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
   VCID: 56F58F0414177BDBADD-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 4B0-907-487.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 907 487 F
   Component: Lenkradelektronik   D01   
   Coding: 01002
   Shop #: WSC 02325 
   VCID: 2F3B1AE04E3D6A130EB-5160

1 Fault Found:
01305 - Databus for Infotainment
            80-00 - Single-Wire Operation

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 4B0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 920 981 P
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. VDO D12 
   Coding: 06264
   Shop #: WSC 85555 
   VCID: 33331690A2254EF36A3-5160
   WA1YD64B73N063006     AUZ7Z0B2257663

2 Faults Found:
01177 - Engine Control Unit
            49-00 - No Communications
01311 - Information Data Bus
            80-00 - Single-Wire Operation

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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 4Z7-907-553.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 553 E
   Component:  - 2C1A1          D040   
   Coding: 25500
   Shop #: WSC 01013 
   VCID: 47CB5240C6BDD25326B-513C

2 Faults Found:
01772 - Signal from Level Control Pressure Sensor (G291)
            27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
01780 - Sensor for Vehicle Leveling
            04-10 - Mechanical Malfunction - Intermittent

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Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels:. 4B0-962-258.clb
   Part No: 4B0 962 258 M
   Component: Central Lock/Alarm  D37 
   Coding: 14953
   Shop #: WSC 01013 
   VCID: 33331690A2154EF36A3-4F0C

7 Faults Found:
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
            35-00 - -
01572 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Passenger Side
            35-00 - -
01559 - Drivers Door
            58-10 - Can't Lock - Intermittent
01561 - Rear left door
            59-00 - Can't Unlock
01562 - Rear right door
            59-00 - Can't Unlock
01574 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Right
            35-00 - -
01573 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Left
            35-00 - -

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No: 4B0 959 760 B
   Component: Sitzmemory R1 F     0102 
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 
   VCID: 2C010DEC7F2B110B2B9-4B00

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4Z7-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 357
   Component: dynamische LWR       D09 
   Coding: 00030
   Shop #: WSC 02325 
   VCID: 0451854CB73B394B839-4B00

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 035 195 L
   Component: symphony II NP2    0051   
   Coding: 00205
   Shop #: WSC 02445 
   VCID: 290FF4F870D90423D0F-4E40

1 Fault Found:
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System
            80-00 - Single-Wire Operation

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8Z0-919-283.lbl
   Part No: 8Z0 919 283
   Component: Parkingsyst. A6 RDW D08 
   Coding: 01186
   Shop #: WSC 02325 
   VCID: 025D8354AD2F377BB15-513C

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 04:45, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 11.9V)-----
 
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I understand my problem but here's an Auto Scan anyways!
In the interest of full disclosure, (from a User perspective only) your Auto-scan may help other readers/users on the RT forum OR , from what I understand, may help RT in advancing product development. So, thank you for your contribution! "happy scans" !
 
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Motronic version 7.1 but still slow as hell. :D
 
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Motronic version 7.1 but still slow as hell.
Hey, it could be worse. Some of the very first TDIs that used KW1281 did so at 240 bps. No, that's not a typo. Two Hundred Forty.

And there are transmissions that were still used in the early 2000s that ran at 1200 bps.

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Yes, some C4 ecu's are that slow that Hex-v2 can't connect them.
 
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