DQ200 DSG Gearbox Basic Setting Fluid Temperature Advanced Measuring

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Hi all,

I was attempting to do a basic setting of a DQ200 gearbox on a 2018 SEAT LEON. I was following the Ross tech guide but found it was not applicable to me as the car had UDS so only advanced measuring was available, measuring blocks is greyed out. I could find 2 values, snapshot Transmission Fluid Temperature. there were 2 different ones, they read 17 and 24c. the value did not change after a drive. is this the correct id to read? the control module temperature changed and was about 77c at one point. But I could not confirm the fluid temperature was between 30 and 60c, so I was unable to go ahead with the basic setting. Any help to read this temp value would be much appreciated. thanks all
 
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Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what TCM this gearbox has and what software is in it.

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Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what TCM this gearbox has and what software is in it.

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Sorry, didn't realise the scan would be helpful here. Will get it uploaded soon as I have access to laptop. thanks !
 
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Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what TCM this gearbox has and what software is in it.

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Code:
Wednesday,08,September,2021,16:35:19:04053
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 21.3.0.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4543.4
Data version: 20210226 DS325.0
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VIN: VSSZZZ5FZJR090057
Mileage: 85534km-53148mi   Repair Order: 08092021-2


Chassis Type: 5F-SE37 (3Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 13 15 16 17 19 42 44 4B 52 5F D6 D7

VIN: VSSZZZ5FZJR090057   Mileage: 85534km-53148miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
4B-Multifunc. Module -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
D6-Light Ctrl Left 2 -- Status: OK 0000
D7-Light Ctrl Right 2 -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CJSA)       Labels:. 06K-907-425-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8V0 906 264 H    HW: 06K 907 425 B
   Component: 1.8l R4 TFSI  H13 0005 
   Revision: --H13---   
   Coding: 0B2500122424010B2000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00173
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM18TFS0208V0906264H 001007
   ROD: EV_ECM18TFS0208V0906264H.rod
   VCID: 41DF4E7C31093753C0D-8014

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 0001

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0CW-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0CW 300 042 H    HW: 0AM 927 769 E
   Component: GSG DQ200G2_M H05 1604 
   Revision: 00005008    Serial number: CU501711157513
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 17734 418 534600
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ200021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ200021_VW26.rod
   VCID: 3B233C9453E55D839A1-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 614 517 CT    HW: 5Q0 614 517 AG
   Component: ESC           H62 0653 
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 63417000000916
   Coding: 20EE8A923429216C8777060560CA2804512C84E16006147530425074C203430B00000012121212B835351919323200
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00105
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 037009
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_037_VW37.rod
   VCID: 05579A6C65A1DB73BC5-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5F0 907 044 AK    HW: 5F0 907 044 AK
   Component: Climatronic   H05 1801 
   Revision: 00001K09   
   Coding: 00100004200114011005000000101020
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00203
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 006145
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_006_VW37.rod
   VCID: 6FBBD8C4571DF123669-803A

   Fresh air blower control module (front):

   A/C pressure/coolant temperature sensor:

   Air quality sensor:

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 5Q0-937-08X-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 CQ    HW: 5Q0 937 084 CG
   Component: BCM MQBAB H   H36 0253 
   Serial number: 01001734501090
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00173
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMMQB 018001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_018.rod
   VCID: 094F965C49B9BF13D8D-805C

   Wiper motor control module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F2 955 119 A    HW: 5F2 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS370 171029  041 0574
   Serial number:         171109131534
   Coding: 0BC5FD

   Rain/Light Recognition Sensor:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 81A 955 555 A    HW: 81A 955 555
   Component: G397_RLFSS  H06 0002
   Serial number: 20931544X81A955555A0
   Coding: 00005D

   Anti-theft alarm system sensor:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 171     HW: 5Q0 951 171
   Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0316
   Serial number: 000000000ZY1726306J2

   Alarm horn:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605 A    HW: 5Q0 951 605 A
   Component: Sirene, DWA  005 0314
   Serial number: 00000000000039889095

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-283.clb
   Part No SW: 5QA 919 283 B    HW: 5QA 919 283
   Component: PDC 4 KanalH07 0044 
   Serial number: 000308419617321
   Coding: 0600040011
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00203
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14AU3700000 009033
   ROD: EV_EPHVA14AU3700000_009_AU37.rod
   VCID: 49CF565C0939FF1318D-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-572.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 572 H    HW: 5Q0 907 572 H
   Component: ACC BOSCH MQB H10 0620 
   Coding: 3500008151FF8428949C814500300400000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00173
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCBOSCHVW416 002005
   ROD: EV_ACCBOSCHVW416_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3C213F8856EB5ABB93B-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 BH    HW: 3Q0 959 655 BH
   Component: Airbag VW21   006 0703 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003W4PQLAAGI
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CC008800000065
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00203
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW21TS6VW48X 001014
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW21TS6VW48X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 05579A6C65A1DB73BC5-8050

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 711 17
   Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887
   Serial number: 357000000005E164AA2O
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 002 311 17
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887
   Serial number: 35800000000A8748DA2Z
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 111 17
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  301 0148
   Serial number: 3510065914B120000005
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 111 17
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  301 0148
   Serial number: 352005C4F4212000000C
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 511 17
   Component: FrontSensor_D  304 0149
   Serial number: 35500FBCC7812000000
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 GP    HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
   Component: Lenks. Modul  003 0140 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 06121704221602
   Coding: 1410
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00203
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 020002
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_020_VW37.rod
   VCID: 0A4DA9504CBFB40BD17-805E

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5F0 920 950 E    HW: 5F0 920 950 E
   Component: KOMBI         303 0310 
   Coding: 27A401082B80060001886A011000000080000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00203
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009060
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW26.rod
   VCID: 290FF6DCA979DF13F8D-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 530 L    HW: 3Q0 907 530 C
   Component: GW MQB High   436 4326 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0007165843
   Coding: 030100F42F085900EB0002481C0F00010001070000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00203
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewNF 013044
   ROD: EV_GatewNF_AU37.rod
   VCID: 3829239862D3769B773-806C

   Generator:

   Multifunction steering wheel control module:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5F0 959 537 D    HW: 5F0 959 537 D
   Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H04 0130
   Serial number: 000000000I0573211017
   Coding: 012000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 J    HW: 5Q0 915 181 J
   Component: J367-BDMConti  H03 1050
   Serial number: 758860000017121007C9

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 593 E    HW: 5Q4 959 593 B
   Component: TSG FS        011 0032 
   Serial number: 0000292845567
   Coding: 00140220DC01040000001000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00173
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 47CB50641F2D09630E9-8012

   Rear Driver Side Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 812 E    HW: 5Q0 959 812 E
   Component: FOND_FHSG_DRV  006 0007
   Serial number: 00000000000017865984
   Coding: 2D0000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 AA    HW: 5Q0 909 144 AA
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  131 1081 
   Coding: 81170000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00173
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 015157
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_015.rod
   VCID: 73B3D4B43B35D5C3821-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 4B: Multifunc. Module (J745)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-338-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 338     HW: 3Q0 907 338
   Component: FCM MQB Low   002 0286 
   Serial number: 07111710803426
   Coding: 000000070100094E00000900000000000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00203
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MultiModulContiVW48X 001010
   ROD: EV_MultiModulContiVW48X_001.rod
   VCID: 72BDD1B0442FDCCB897-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 592 E    HW: 5Q4 959 592 B
   Component: TSG BFS       011 0032 
   Serial number: 0000292548121
   Coding: 00140220DE01040000001000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00173
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 46D55D601827106BF5F-8012

   Rear Passenger Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 811 E    HW: 5Q0 959 811 E
   Component: FOND_FHSG_PSG  006 0007
   Serial number: 00000000000017794159
   Coding: 350000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5F0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5QA 035 858 B    HW: 5QA 035 858 B
   Component: MU-S-ND-ER    H41 0468 
   Serial number: SEZAZ2T1287006
   Coding: 04738001D70A000011110101008808002F0101C601200500C6
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd6C1TSAT 001015
   ROD: EV_MUStd6C1TSAT_SK25.rod
   VCID: 46D55D601827106BF5F-8012

   Display and control head 1 for information electronics:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 606     HW: 5F0 919 606
   Component: ABTm-2_8-CR  H41 1042
   Serial number: SEZ8Z9T6C020WD     

   Data carrier:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6P0 919 866 AB    HW: -----------
   Component: ECE1 2018  --- 0910
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address D6: Light Ctrl Left 2 (A31)       Labels: 7P5-941-591.clb
   Part No SW: 7P5 941 591 AD    HW: 7P5 941 591 A
   Component: LED1L         H06 0005 
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LED_PLUS_L_KEBODAVW416 001003
   ROD: EV_LED_PLUS_L_KEBODAVW416.rod
   VCID: 7EA5F580007788ABFDF-802A

No fault code found.

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Address D7: Light Ctrl Right 2 (A27)       Labels: 7P5-941-591.clb
   Part No SW: 7P5 941 591 AD    HW: 7P5 941 591 A
   Component: LED1R         H06 0005 
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LED_PLUS_R_KEBODAVW416 001003
   ROD: EV_LEDPLUSRightKEBODVW416.rod
   VCID: 7EA5F580007788ABFDF-802A

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:29, VBatt start/end: 12.1V/12.0V)-----------
 
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OK, with this transmission, there no real-time "fluid temperature", just like in this thread here:

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OK, with this transmission, there no real-time "fluid temperature", just like in this thread here:

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Awesome! And i suppose this makes sense, but also, why haha. But im struggling to understand what the final outcome was for this.

Which one are we looking at for basic setting, fluid temp?

ENG100625 -- Coolant temperature (°C)
IDE00102-ENG102028-Control Module temperature
ENG122361-Temperatur Hybrid


Also, over on that post, Eric mentions about starting the car from cold in P and letting engine warm up naturally, will the transmission heat up to over 60c quite quickly? My customer is taking a 15 minute drive to me to have the work done. Thanks so much again!
 
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Which one are we looking at for basic setting, fluid temp?
I don't have a car with a transmission like that to look at, but if I did, I would watch all three of them. Based on what others have reported they should all be reasonably close.

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On these the ECU monitors the fluid temp in the mechatronic unit and not the gearbox oil temp, I know it states it must be at 30C and have run the engine to full temp leave for 30-60 mins to soak into gearbox and do basic settings etc. but have also found the ECU doesn't seem to care what temp the gearbox is at I have done loads of basic settings with under temp and all completed fine, if they don't complete most times something else is wrong.
 
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I don't have a car with a transmission like that to look at, but if I did, I would watch all three of them. Based on what others have reported they should all be reasonably close.

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Okay, i understand. Do we know how important the temperature is, for example if it was a little too low/high, how would this affect the basic setting? Would it actually still go ahead or would it fail? Thanks again
 
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On these the ECU monitors the fluid temp in the mechatronic unit and not the gearbox oil temp, I know it states it must be at 30C and have run the engine to full temp leave for 30-60 mins to soak into gearbox and do basic settings etc. but have also found the ECU doesn't seem to care what temp the gearbox is at I have done loads of basic settings with under temp and all completed fine, if they don't complete most times something else is wrong.
Okay, so the customer is approx 15 minute drive away, his engine was upto temp by the time he was with me. Would this be suitable to start the basic setting at? I can check the above temps for eg control module temp to ensure it is 30-60. Do you know if it will continue through basic setting if the temp is actually out of these values? thanks
 
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Okay, so the customer is approx 15 minute drive away, his engine was upto temp by the time he was with me. Would this be suitable to start the basic setting at? I can check the above temps for eg control module temp to ensure it is 30-60. Do you know if it will continue through basic setting if the temp is actually out of these values? thanks
It will start fine under 30c. Never managed to get the temp anywhere near 60c - so cant say if it will start over 60c

Just try the basic settings - if it fails it will give you code
255 - Failure code - 00
Make a note of the failure code and then you can work out what is wrong
 
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It will start fine under 30c. Never managed to get the temp anywhere near 60c - so cant say if it will start over 60c

Just try the basic settings - if it fails it will give you code
255 - Failure code - 00
Make a note of the failure code and then you can work out what is wrong
I don't have a car with a transmission like that to look at, but if I did, I would watch all three of them. Based on what others have reported they should all be reasonably close.

-Uwe-


Okay, that is perfect! Something else whilst i am here. Does anybody know of any set out instructions for this procedure? Ross tech have a page provided for the 7S DSG, but only covers meas blocks and not UDS cars with only adv meas. I am having to work this out via instructions for another gearbox i believe. Thanks again
 
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