09A to 02M transmission swap on my 05 jetta with new fault codes

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Well after a very interesting weekend for me and my father, swapping out my automatic 09A and replacing it with the manual 02M transmission, we have some interesting new fault codes that have shown up. So far everything seems to run fine in the car with the manual (except the fact that I currently have no speedometer at the moment because of a missing plug). we ran vcds to see how pissed off the vehicle was for throwing all sorts of gizmo's at it and surprisingly it was only these two codes.

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Sunday,19,April,2015,18:04:51:31462
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.2.0 (x64)
Data version: 20150311
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: 3VWSR69M25M033882   License Plate: 



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                Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 038 997 016 R    HW: 028 101 181 2
  Component and/or Version: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  0282
           Software Coding: 0150031
            Work Shop Code: WSC 05232 444 85902
                      VCID: AD124E4B356B5849759-5184
2 Faults Found:

19460 - Relay for Low-Output Preheating of Coolant (J359) 
            P3004 - 000 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 882 /min
                    Torque: 44.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 13.91 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00101000
                    Load: 48.2 %
                    Bin. Bits: 11000001

19462 - Relay for High-Output Preheating of Coolant (J360) 
            P3006 - 000 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 882 /min
                    Torque: 44.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 13.91 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00101000
                    Load: 48.2 %
                    Bin. Bits: 11000001


Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1
Now I have no idea what these fault codes mean or if it is something easy or hard to fix. Either way I would very much appreciate some helpful info as to what this is. Thank you in advance. :)
 
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If memory serves me, and it may not as I'm getting old, but the 09a never had any codes. Just sayin. :o
 
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Engines with manual transmission used to have those 2 relays and coolant glow plugs controlled by them. Your car was automatic. Now you recoded it to manual so ECM is looking for those relays.

Andy
 
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Now I have no idea what these fault codes mean or if it is something easy or hard to fix.
My guess is something's unplugged. Someone here probably knows exactly where that stuff is on a BEW.

-Uwe-

Edit: I make bad guesses sometimes. :facepalm:
 
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Engines with manual transmission used to have those 2 relays and coolant glow plugs controlled by them. Your car was automatic. Now you recoded it to manual so ECM is looking for those relays.

Andy
For my own curiousity, could you explain what that system did? Also, if those parts are not there, what would be the best fix? Thanks.
 
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System heats up coolant for heater core in low temperatures. Used on engines with manual trans, not on engines with automatics. You can see if the wiring has the place fore those relays. If so you can put the relays there. If not you can make the wiring and install the relays.

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Don't know for you guys, but not all manuals used these. For instance i have seen these things only in cars that were made for colder countries like Finland or Estonia etc... .
Also my old MKIV(ASZ engine) didn't have these as it came from Italy, but my friends Leon(ARL engine) has these. Unsure where his car came from.

So my guess is, that they can be mapped out by tuner.
 
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Mapped out by tuner but not coded out with VCDS correct?
 
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Mapped out by tuner but not coded out with VCDS correct?
Right, code might be possibly disabled by tuner. See if you got place / plugs for those relays 1st. Left rear of engine compartment, on firewall.





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Something else that I have noticed with my car is that the fuel tank sensor is really sensitive to any motions. Like from a stop to accelerating the fuel gauge will drop near the bottom and set off the fuel alarm, then go away after everything is leveled out. This is also with a half tank of fuel.
 
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Something else that I have noticed with my car is that the fuel tank sensor is really sensitive to any motions. Like from a stop to accelerating the fuel gauge will drop near the bottom and set off the fuel alarm, then go away after everything is leveled out. This is also with a half tank of fuel.
Did this start when you did your manual swap? Have you fixed your speedometer yet?

... So far everything seems to run fine in the car with the manual (except the fact that I currently have no speedometer at the moment because of a missing plug)
The instrument cluster uses some logic to interpret fuel gauge readings before display. It's very slow to respond to smaller changes, especially while in motion, to deal with sloshing on acceleration and driving on inclines. It responds more quickly to large changes, especially when stationary, on the premise you might be refueling while the car is running (even though you're not supposed to). I forget where I learned about this, but there's a doc somewhere that describes it. With half a tank of fuel you'll have a lot of slosh on acceleration, and if your speedometer doesn't work, the instrument cluster will think your car is stationary and be more willing to update the display.

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Did this start when you did your manual swap? Have you fixed your speedometer yet?


The instrument cluster uses some logic to interpret fuel gauge readings before display. It's very slow to respond to smaller changes, especially while in motion, to deal with sloshing on acceleration and driving on inclines. It responds more quickly to large changes, especially when stationary, on the premise you might be refueling while the car is running (even though you're not supposed to). I forget where I learned about this, but there's a doc somewhere that describes it. With half a tank of fuel you'll have a lot of slosh on acceleration, and if your speedometer doesn't work, the instrument cluster will think your car is stationary and be more willing to update the display.

Jason
No, these problems did not show up before the swap. And what you have said about the instrument cluster makes perfect sense. We are talking to one of our vw techs who might have this plug so we will find out at some point if this is truly the case.
 
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So I got the speedometer working and all that jazz. Now my Day Time Running Lights won't turn off when I pull up on the Emergency brake. Here is a fresh autoscan from today with all fault codes deleted the night before.

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Wednesday,22,April,2015,17:35:39:31462
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.2.0 (x64)
Data version: 20150311
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: 3VWSR69M25M033882   License Plate: 
Mileage: 248450km-154379mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 9M (9M - VW Jetta IV (1998 > 2014))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57
          75 76
 
VIN: 3VWSR69M25M033882   Mileage: 248450km-154379miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
   Part No SW: 038 997 016 R    HW: 028 101 181 2
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  0282  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0D0331077
   Coding: 0150031
   Shop #: WSC 05232 444 85902
   VCID: AD124E4B356B5849759-5184

2 Faults Found:
19460 - Relay for Low-Output Preheating of Coolant (J359) 
            P3004 - 000 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.16 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Load: 16.5 %
                    Bin. Bits: 11011001

19462 - Relay for High-Output Preheating of Coolant (J360) 
            P3006 - 000 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.16 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Load: 16.5 %
                    Bin. Bits: 11011001

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 M
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0102  
   Coding: 0019458
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: B4245B2FD64109813A7-5184

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 F
   Component: 04 AIRBAG VW61 0202 0003  
   Coding: 12340
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: A71EBC63479772198F5-5160

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J5 920 906 R
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V57  
   Coding: 04234
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: BC34730FAE11C1C1F27-5160
   3VWSR69M25M033882     VWZ7Z0D0331077

2 Faults Found:
01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            49-00 - No Communications
01304 - Radio 
            49-00 - No Communications

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: F0AC973FB2D975A11EF-5160

3 Faults Found:
01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            49-00 - No Communications
01304 - Radio 
            49-00 - No Communications
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
   Component: 1H Komfortgerát HLO 0004  
   Coding: 00258
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: B73E6C239737E2991F5-4B3C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801A
   Component: 1H Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0202  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802A
   Component: 1H Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0202  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1C0959811A
   Component: 1H Tõrsteuer.HL KLO 0202  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1C0959812A
   Component: 1H Tõrsteuer.HR KLO 0202  

5 Faults Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
            54-00 - Incorrectly Equipped
00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
            27-00 - Implausible Signal
00930 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Left (F222) 
            27-00 - Implausible Signal
00931 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Right (F223) 
            27-00 - Implausible Signal

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 08:43)--------------------------
 
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So I got the speedometer working and all that jazz.
Does "all that jazz" include fixing your over-sensitive fuel gauge? :)

Now my Day Time Running Lights won't turn off when I pull up on the Emergency brake.
IIRC, on the automatics, the DRLs kick in when the parking brake is off *and* you're not in Park. Can't swear to that because I've had my DRLs disabled since forever. With your manual conversion, you don't have the concept of Park anymore and that may be causing issues. Question is whether that's an electrical/relay thing somewhere, or programming. Let's try programming first.

Your CAN gateway and instrument cluster are both complaining they can't talk to the TCM:

Code:
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J5 920 906 R
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V57  
   Coding: 04234
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: BC34730FAE11C1C1F27-5160
   3VWSR69M25M033882     VWZ7Z0D0331077

2 Faults Found:
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            49-00 - No Communications
[/COLOR][/B]01304 - Radio 
            49-00 - No Communications
Code:
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: F0AC973FB2D975A11EF-5160

3 Faults Found:
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            49-00 - No Communications
[/COLOR][/B]01304 - Radio 
            49-00 - No Communications
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

... which is unsurprising since you don't have one anymore. The CAN gateway needs to be told to refresh its idea of installed devices based on what's in the car right now. You do that by logging into address 19, choosing Coding, and re-coding it with the same value that's already there: 00006. After that, the TCM faults should disappear on their own from both controllers, or possibly turn Intermittent and be clearable. If that fixes your DRL situation, great. If not, you're going to have to bust out a wiring diagram and look for differences in manual vs. automatic wiring.

When you re-code the CAN gateway, the radio no-comms DTCs will disappear as well. Based on the DTCs and the fact you got no response back at address 56 on the Auto-Scan, I'm assuming you have an aftermarket radio. It's pretty normal for those to not support CAN communications or diagnostics with VCDS, so the CAN gateway re-coding is the right cure there as well.

I don't know what the heck you did to your CCM. Do your door locks and windows and such work right?

Jason
 
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Correct, My over sensitive fuel gage is fixed. Indeed I do have an aftermarket radio which is why the communication fault code is there.

My powered windows also work except the auto up/down does not work on the passenger side door. When I purchased my car, the driver side door lock would get stuck,the rear passenger lock actuator didn't work(electrical wise), and the rear driver side would kinda work. Currently we have replaced the driver side lock and has fixed the issues except the fact that the 3rd party lock actuator I baught failed which means that when my car is locked, there are two doors unlocked at all times. I plan to fix this issue after I pay my father off the loan I have to make with him for this manual conversion to happen :).

For the reason why all the doors show fault codes, I have no idea. I will attempt to recode what you have listed to do but let me give you this bit of info. After we got the manual put in and recoded the specific parts of the car to tell it that it's a manual now.

The emergency brake would always turn off the Day Time Running Lights(this was before we got the TSS plug for the speedometer). The day we hooked up the wiring for the speedometer, the day time running lights stopped responding to the emergency brake. We also had to replace a blown fuse 15-5A for the VSS. So now I got a small list of recoding and to check a fuse incase one of them is also blown. Thank you very much on the info by the way :)
 
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Slight delay in progress. The seal on the line side of the clutch bleeder tee failed so he has no clutch. Does anyone happen to know a part number for that seal?

He did the programming as suggested above and his windows all work correctly as well as no errors in vcds (although he hasn't been able to drive it). The one strange part, as he mentioned, is after the swap, and after the initial coding, the DRLs would still turn off with the parking brake. It wasn't until I wired the VSS for speedo that they stopped functioning. I did get the signal and positive mixed up initially, but caught it before the shrink tubing even went on. Never turned the key on. Actually the only wire I got wrong was hooking positive from the TRS to the signal output of the VSS. I wouldn't have thought power was there with the key off but perhaps it was and this is why fuse 15 blew. Fixed the wiring, replaced the fuse, and the speedo works fine. Normally DLRs wouldn't be an issue but I like them functioning for him and the parking brake turning them off is important to him to not drain the battery if he's sitting in the car listening to the radio.
 
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Sorry for such a delayed update but I got some good news. Thanks to jyoung along with the others on this forum, most of the fault codes have disappeared(in a good way,not covering things up). My radio fault codes along with the tcm have not shown up again as well as no engine light comming on. We went a few days after recoding the car and found out my A/C didn't even turn on (A/C clutch wasn't turning)so we then started checking fuse panels and found out after installing the VSS, my father must of accidently moved fuse 5 to fuse 16. We then moved the fuse back and put the proper fuse in slot 16 and we had A/C

Now the sunroof issue was pretty funny. After dropping down the easy access panel to get to the sunroof motor we noticed the 5 pun plug that supplied power to it wasn't clipped in all the way and rattled out of the socket. The main reason this probobly happend is mostly due to my two 15" subwoofers in my trunk. Gotta love bass but we both laughed when we noticed it. Plugged the 5 pin plug back into the correct spot and everything was working.

Thanks again for all your help :)
 
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Here is also a picture of the insane beast that lives in my car. It has taken up most of my truck space and there is less than an 1" of clearance on the sides lol
 
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