Emission control faults 2014 TDI Jetta Sportwagen

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Hi.

We have a 2014 VW TDI Jetta Sportwagen. We bought that car from a VW dealer after VW had recalled it and done whatever they did because of the pollution control issue.

1. The car’s VIN is 3VWML7AJ4EM619369. The current mileage is 99,593.

2. While driving in a city on 08 June the CEL (Check Engine Light) came on solid amber. The next day I checked the faults and found only one. That was:

008194 - Particulate Trap Bank 1

P2002 - 007 - Efficiency Below Threshold - MIL ON

I reset that fault.

3. Yesterday (10 June) the CEL light came on while we were on a trip of about 150 miles. I checked the engine module after we got home and I found the same error was back. That was:

008194 - Particulate Trap Bank 1

P2002 - 007 - Efficiency Below Threshold - MIL ON

And a 2nd error was present. That was:

001025 - EGR System

P0401 - 001 - Insufficient Flow - MIL ON

I believe the CEL came on while we were in Enid, OK, probably going about 45 MPH.

I have the freeze frame info if that would help you.

I'd love to hear your input on this including but not limited to:

How urgent is getting this taken care of?

We are supposed to take a trip of about 200 miles that will include Interstate and city driving. Do you think we can safely make the trip with whatever is going on to cause these faults?

Do you have a rough estimate about what it will cost to fix this?

Thanks!

Mike
 
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Seems the EGR is plugged. It seems the normal regen cycle is not cleaning it. That means the Particulate Trap needs to be cleaned/replaced.

Can you drive it 200 miles? Probably not. It will plug further and eventually will lead to further codes/problems. I can't really say how soon/how many miles until more problems come may be.

I cannot speculate on the cost. Some can be cleaned.. others have to be replaced.

For better answers, post up an autoscan.

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Autoscan after driving about 75 miles at 3050 RPM :
Saturday,12,June,2021,09:07:16:59242

Code:
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64

VCDS Version: 21.3.0.0 (x64)

Data version: 20210226 DS325.0

www.Ross-Tech.com





VIN: 3VWML7AJ4EM619369 License Plate: N5JJR

Mileage: 160420km-99680mi Repair Order: 12Jn21





Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (7N0)

Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 1C 25 2E 42 44 46 4F 52 56 62 72 77





VIN: 3VWML7AJ4EM619369 Mileage: 160420km-99680miles



01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010

03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000

04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000

08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000

09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000

15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000

16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000

17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000

19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000

1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000

25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000

2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000

42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000

44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000

46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000

4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000

52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000

56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010

62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000

72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000



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Address 01: Engine (CJA) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb

Part No SW: 03L 997 030 D HW: 03L 907 309 AA

Component: R4 2.0l TDI G000SG 9983

Revision: 12H16--- Serial number:

Coding: 0050072

Shop #: WSC 29135 002 1048576

VCID: 2F67655EBEFA26F36A-807A



2 Faults Found:

008194 - Particulate Trap Bank 1

P2002 - 007 - Efficiency Below Threshold - MIL ON

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 11100111

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 2

Reset counter: 255

Mileage: 160071 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2015.11.01

Time: 12:40:33



Freeze Frame:

RPM: 2162 /min

Speed: 58.0 km/h

(no units): 66.3

(no units): 25.5

(no units): 1.60

Pressure: 123 mbar

Pressure: 51 mbar



001025 - EGR System

P0401 - 001 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 2

Reset counter: 255

Mileage: 160152 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2015.11.01

Time: 18:14:25



Freeze Frame:

RPM: 2001 /min

Speed: 119.0 km/h

Voltage: 13.76 V

Load: 95.7 %

Load: 100.0 %

Mass Air / Rev.: 360.0 mg/str

Mass Air / Rev.: 355.0 mg/str



Readiness: 1 2 0 0 0



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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb

Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BM HW: 1K0 907 379 BM

Component: ESP MK60EC1 H46 0164

Revision: 00H46001

Coding: 114B600C49230003880E06EA92220042A1000022

Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00015

VCID: 7EF9881AE9101F7BB1-802A



No fault code found.



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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301) Labels:| 3C8-907-336.clb

Part No SW: 7N0 907 426 CA HW: 7N0 907 426 CA

Component: AC Manuell H20 0606

Revision: 00001002

Coding: 0010002002

Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00118

ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X A01010

ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X_VW36.rod

VCID: 75EB9736D4265C23E0-8020



No fault code found.



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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb

Part No SW: 5K0 937 084 N HW: 5K0 937 084 L

Component: BCM PQ35 B 122 1184

Revision: BG122001

Coding: AF380E1F802F3EC4008800C17000004449000086535D0520648020200040

Shop #: WSC 29135 002 1048576

VCID: 3D7B4F16A496C463E8-8068



Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K1 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB

Component: Wischer 10041 26 0512

Coding: 009795



No fault code found.



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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb

Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 M HW: 5C0 959 655 M

Component: AirbagVW10G 014 0726

Serial number: 003L4R0310FV

Coding: 00004E42

Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00015

ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 001026

ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod

VCID: 3C7D4212B78CCD6BDF-8068



Seat occupied recognition:

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1KM 959 339 B HW: 1KM 959 339 B

Component: BF-Gewichtss. 006 0001

Serial number: ---0000R--0000AKBF00



Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 1KM 955 557 HW: 1KM 955 557

Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V H02 ----

Serial number: 3572MSME3A361A42ZZZW



Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 1KM 955 557 HW: 1KM 955 557

Component: S.Sens.Beif.V H02 ----

Serial number: 3582MSME0F691C42ZZZ0



Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):

Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H --- ----

Serial number: 3511HSME151E2730ZZZE



Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:

Component: S.Sens.Beif.H --- ----

Serial number: 3521HSME5D442C30ZZZP



Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:

Component: F.Sens.Fahr --- ----

Serial number: 35527SME435C3C30ZZZI



Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:

Component: F.Sens.Beif --- ----

Serial number: 35627SME346E3C30ZZZM



No fault code found.



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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb

Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 BC HW: 5K0 953 549 E

Component: Lenks.Modul 008 0090

Revision: -------- Serial number: 90440NBD000CC

Coding: 108A140000

Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00015

ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001

ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_A05.rod

VCID: 72E1AC2AA5484B1BC5-8026



Multifunction steering wheel control module:

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 C HW: 5K0 959 542 C Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB

Component: E221__MFL-TAS H31 0037

Serial number: 0104512 FLE 20140305

Coding: 820000



No fault code found.



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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1

Part No SW: 5K0 920 973 G HW: 5K0 920 973 G

Component: KOMBI H04 0811

Serial number: 00000000000000

Coding: 270F01

Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00118

ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04721

ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW36.rod

VCID: 356B573694A61C2320-8060



No fault code found.



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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb

Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AM HW: 7N0 907 530 AM

Component: J533 Gateway H55 1642

Revision: H55 Serial number: 05041403000871

Coding: 352002

Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00015

VCID: 7BFF810EFA020A5396-802E



No fault code found.



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Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl

Part No SW: 5N0 919 879 HW: 5N0 919 879

Component: Kompass 002 0002

Revision: 00002000 Serial number: 1225223RPSQS07

Coding: 0000002

Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00015

VCID: 7EF9881A29101F7BB1-802A



No fault code found.



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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb

Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234

Component: IMMO H04 0811

Serial number:

Coding: 000000

Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710

ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod

VCID: 6AD1B44A8D9883DB7D-803E



No fault code found.



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Address 2E: Media Player 3

Cannot be reached



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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb

Part No SW: 561 959 701 HW: 3C0 959 793 B

Component: TUER-SG FT 002 0501

Revision: 13110009 Serial number: 0008144815

Coding: 0004B5

Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001

ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod

VCID: 5BBFE18E52C2EA53F6-800E



Slave Driver:

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 703 C HW: 3C0 959 795 D Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB

Component: J388__TSG-HL 009 1509

Serial number: 00000008580265

Coding: 000490



No fault code found.



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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb

Part No: 1K0 909 144 R

Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70 3501

Revision: 00H22000

Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108

VCID: 39735B0670BEF843C4-806C



No fault code found.



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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II (J520) Labels:. 1K0-907-532.clb

Part No SW: 7N0 907 532 HW: 7N0 907 530 AM

Component: EZE_2 H55 1642

Revision: H55 Serial number: 05041403000871

Coding: 050B0500

Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00015

VCID: 6FE7A55EBE7A66F32A-803A



Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 959 591 A HW: 8R0 959 591

Component: J245EE20SKB13 H05 0220

Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ



Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 959 591 A HW: 8R0 959 591

Component: J394EE20SKB13 H05 0220

Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ



No fault code found.



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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb

Part No SW: 561 959 702 HW: 3C0 959 792 B

Component: TUER-SG BT 002 0501

Revision: 15110009 Serial number: 0008213490

Coding: 0004B4

Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001

ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod

VCID: 5CBDE29257CCED6BFF-8008



Slave Passenger:

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 704 C HW: 3C0 959 794 D Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB

Component: J389__TSG-HR 009 1509

Serial number: 00000008214397

Coding: 000490



No fault code found.



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Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb

Part No SW: 1K0 035 188 F HW: 1K0 035 188 F

Component: Radio Prem-8 H07 0009

Revision: -----12S Serial number: VWZ4Z7P3555359

Coding: 01000440040007

Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000

VCID: 2B5F714E4AE25AD346-807E



2 Faults Found:

02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated

000 - -

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01100000

Fault Priority: 7

Fault Frequency: 17

Reset counter: 242

Mileage: 102718 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2018.06.20

Time: 13:22:06



02873 - Control Module for Back-Up Camera (J772)

004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100100

Fault Priority: 5

Fault Frequency: 5

Reset counter: 220

Mileage: 158057 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2015.09.02

Time: 16:50:12





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Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels:| 5N0-035-729.clb

Part No SW: 5N0 035 729 A HW: 5N0 035 729 A

Component: TELEFON H05 0592

Revision: 1B001001 Serial number: 00007665905400

Coding: 0A10030080010110

Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVUMI 001007

ROD: EV_UHVUMI.rod

VCID: 2E59785A71F02FFB61-807A



No fault code found.



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Seems the EGR is plugged. It seems the normal regen cycle is not cleaning it. That means the Particulate Trap needs to be cleaned/replaced.

Can you drive it 200 miles? Probably not. It will plug further and eventually will lead to further codes/problems. I can't really say how soon/how many miles until more problems come may be.

I cannot speculate on the cost. Some can be cleaned.. others have to be replaced.

For better answers, post up an autoscan.

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Thanks Bruce,
Here's more info that I hope you have time to read and advise me on:
I am trying to decide on a VW dealer that has a good shop. Wichita and the Oklahoma City and Tulsa areas are about the same distance from our home. Since this repairs should be covered by warranty, I'm stuck taking it to a dealer's shop, I guess.

Here's my problem:
While driving in Wichita on the 8th of June, the CEL came on, After I got home I used my Vag Com and found the Particle Trap Bank 1 had this fault: P2002 - 007 - Efficiency Below Threshold - MIL ON
I cleared that fault and on the next trip, on the 10th of June, after having driven about 75 miles the CEL came on again.
To make a long story short, I contacted the service advisor at a dealership. He said:
it was probably just soot buildup that the car should be able to clean up on it’s own.

He said :


  • Do not reset the faults
  • Drive the car with RPMs at 2500-3500 RPM, constant speed on our trip to OKC.
  • The CEL should go off if the car cleans things up.
I told him the DPF light never came on.

He said the CEL light should go off if the above doesn’t fix things.

============================

My thoughts and findings:

The fix described above is called a DPF Regeneration.

From YouTube videos,

The fix should take 15 minutes. If it doesn’t self-fix, take it to a VW dealer.

================================

I drove for nearly an hour yesterday in 4th gear, engine RPM 3050, constant speed and RPM on I-35. The CEL light never went out.

The engine faults this morning (12 June) are:

Scan 12Jn21 after driving about 75 miles at 3050 PRM

Code:
         Saturday,12,June,2021,09:07:16:59242
         VIN: 3VWML7AJ4EM619369 License Plate: N5JJR
         Mileage: 160420km-99680mi Repair Order: 12Jn21
         Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (7N0)
        
         VIN: 3VWML7AJ4EM619369 Mileage: 160420km-99680miles
        
         Address 01: Engine (CJA) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
         Part No SW: 03L 997 030 D HW: 03L 907 309 AA
         Component: R4 2.0l TDI G000SG 9983
         Revision: 12H16--- Serial number:
         Coding: 0050072
         Shop #: WSC 29135 002 1048576
         VCID: 2F67655EBEFA26F36A-807A
        
         2 Faults Found:
         008194 - Particulate Trap Bank 1
         P2002 - 007 - Efficiency Below Threshold - MIL ON
         Freeze Frame:
         Fault Status: 11100111
         Fault Priority: 2
         Fault Frequency: 2
         Reset counter: 255
         Mileage: 160071 km
         Time Indication: 0
         Date: 2015.11.01
         Time: 12:40:33
        
         Freeze Frame:
         RPM: 2162 /min
         Speed: 58.0 km/h
         (no units): 66.3
         (no units): 25.5
         (no units): 1.60
         Pressure: 123 mbar
         Pressure: 51 mbar
        
         001025 - EGR System
         P0401 - 001 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
         Freeze Frame:
         Fault Status: 00100001
         Fault Priority: 2
         Fault Frequency: 2
         Reset counter: 255
         Mileage: 160152 km
         Time Indication: 0
         Date: 2015.11.01
         Time: 18:14:25
        
         Freeze Frame:
         RPM: 2001 /min
         Speed: 119.0 km/h
         Voltage: 13.76 V
         Load: 95.7 %
         Load: 100.0 %
         Mass Air / Rev.: 360.0 mg/str
         Mass Air / Rev.: 355.0 mg/str
        
         Readiness: 1 2 0 0 0
        
         ==============================

I can send the faults before I drove yesterday if that would help but I don't think the driving changed anything.

The service advisor said driving with these faults to Oklahoma City at around 3000 RPM wouldn't hurt anything and might even end up clearing the problem. I never heard of engine faults resetting themselves and other things worry me about that shop. Their service reviews on Yelp are not good at all :-(

Does what the service advisor told me sound right to you?

I'm beginning to think a 2014 TDI Jetta Sportwagen doesn't have a DPF light. What do you think?

Thanks!
Mike

P.S. I talked to the service advisor again yesterday. He said it might take 100 Miles at high RPM to clear the problem.
I'm beginning to think he doesn't know enough or may want to cause a bigger problem that they can charge for fixing.

Also, I just read about using VCDS to initiate a regeneration. I hope you can tell me more about that. Also, is that something I should try with the problem I'm having?
Thanks again +++
Mike
 
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A DPF "Efficiency Below Threshold" fault does not mean that the DPF is plugged up with soot or that it a regen is called for. In fact, it might mean just the opposite; that there's not enough back-pressure being generated by the DPF to indicate it's working properly.

What does your tail pipe look like? Is there much soot in it?

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A DPF "Efficiency Below Threshold" fault does not mean that the DPF is plugged up with soot or that it a regen is called for. In fact, it might mean just the . opposite; that there's not enough back-pressure being generated by the DPF to indicate it's working properly.

What does your tail pipe look like? Is there much soot in it?

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Thanks!
There's a little soot. It's not as clean as when I bought the car but it's not too bad.
 
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The VW dealer I hae decided to take the car to is 127 miles away, via an Interstate highway with speed limits of 75 mph most of the way, 70 part of the way and 60 part of the way. The service advisor told me to drive like I usually do, which would be in 6th gear, getting around 2000 RPM for most of the trip. The plan is to leave home at 7am Monday morning. I'd love to hear your thoughts about making that trip. If you need to contact me Monday, I'll probably see a reply vi this for-um or you can email me at mike@morriss.us or call or text me at 713-515-2246.
 
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Thanks!
There's a little soot. It's not as clean as when I bought the car but it's not too bad.
The VW dealer I hae decided to take the car to is 127 miles away, via an Interstate highway with speed limits of 75 mph most of the way, 70 part of the way and 60 part of the way. The service advisor told me to drive like I usually do, which would be in 6th gear, getting around 2000 RPM for most of the trip. The plan is to leave home at 7am Monday morning. I'd love to hear your thoughts about making that trip. If you need to contact me Monday, I'll probably see a reply vi this for-um or you can email me at mike@morriss.us or call or text me at 713-515-2246.
 
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I'd love to hear your thoughts about making that trip.
I think it will be OK. This car looks to have just under 100k on it. When did you purchase it? IIRC, the dieselgate warranty covers all the emissions stuff for at least 120,000 miles.

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After a LOT of exchanges and reading from TDIClub, and talking with a different dealer, going to take the car to Norman, OK Monday morning early.
I think it will be OK. This car looks to have just under 100k on it. When did you purchase it? IIRC, the dieselgate warranty covers all the emissions stuff for at least 120,000 miles.

-Uwe-
We bought the car in Jan 2018 with about 50K on it. Yes, I think the extended warranty should cover it. I just hope this is not a recurring problem. We usually keep VWs until about 500K but this may not work for this car. I got a LOT of info from TDIClub too.
We are retired and live about 5 miles outside a small city. Short trips are normal for me. I didn't know anything about automatic regen but did notice the fan running sometimes when I shut the car off. I wondered about that. I need to know more about it. Can you recommend a good source of info about that?
Thanks again +++
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Short trips are normal for me.
I suppose you're aware that diesels are not exactly ideal for constant short trip usage?

Then again, I'm not sure how one accumulates 500k miles (or for that matter 50k in 3-1/2 years) on a car that's used primarily for short trips. :confused:

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I sure wasn't aware of that. Given the lifespan of DPF's i've seen reported on TDIClub, I don't think these cars are gool for long trip usage either. We've had a Diesel Dasher, 2 TDI Beetles, and now this TDI Sportwagen. Never had problems like this and sure didn't expect it or I'd never have bought it. My experience with Diesel VWs is just long and reliable life-spans. We DO take road trips of about 90 to 150 miles about once a month and occasionally drive on trips of about 1000 to 1500 miles or so.
Oh well. I hope owning this VW isn't TOO expensive a learning experience.

The 500K was longest life expectancy we've had for our diesel VWs. Sorry, I overstated the 500K number. We usually just keep cars a long time. We had over 300K on our 99 TDI Beetle and currently have nearing 200K on our 05 TDI Beetle. The 50K so far on this one includes a few of those longer road trips.
 
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Diesel Dasher, 2 TDI Beetles
Yeah, those were relatively old-school diesels, without DPFs and without NOx after-treatment.

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