Intermittent cutout, non start, instrument trip/clock reset

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mentalmechanic

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Hi.

Our 2010 1T Touran BMN (Golf/Rabbit/Jetta) MKV based) is intermittently playing up with only one of the above at any one time. I was steering towards an instrument cluster issue, but today my wife said that she lost the instruments and the car wouldn't even crank.

When the car cutout momentarily on me the other week, it was like someone had turned the ignition off. It was very quick and I only noticed because I didnt get any power for a split second and as I looked at the dash I saw the cluster light up, like it does when you start the car, and I carried on the journey.

I've just removed the instrument panel and the car cranks but wont fire obviously.

I have attached the VCDS Autoscan after the non start incident my wife had today, not every module is complaining it cant talk to the instrument cluster like I would expect if it had shutdown? Such as engine/abs and so on.

The other thing is the codes stored for steering column module comms issues that are making me wonder if this is more something to do with it.

I'm hoping I can get others opinions who have had similar issues.

Thanks in advance.

Code:
Wednesday,09,June,2021,20:45:24:30454
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 21.3.0.0 (x64)
Data version: 20210226 DS325.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


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Chassis Type: 1T-VW36 (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 18 19 25 2E 37 42 44 46 52 56 62 69
          72

VIN: WVGZZZ1TZAW074047   Mileage: 197010km-122416miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-018-BMN.clb
   Part No SW: 03G 906 018 EF    HW: 03G 906 018 EF
   Component: R4 2.0l PPD1.2 G    1876  
   Revision: --H52---    Serial number: VWX7Z0J03N60LY
   Coding: 0000072
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 6DDBA26974E708E318-8038

No fault code found.
Readiness: N/A

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels:. 1K0-614-517-MK60AT.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 614 517 AC    HW: 1K0 614 517 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60-AT   0102  
   Revision: 00H14001    
   Coding: 0053958
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 68D5D37D5B052DCB6B-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 JN    HW: 1K0 820 047 JN
   Component: Climatic PQ35   143 1515  
   Revision: 00143034    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 79F3863930AFA44384-802C

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 D    HW: 3C8 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000003644504
   Coding: 20890F2100040F0047120C000000000000087B075C000120000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 32617115AD59971B05-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T2 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 050110 021  0512  
   Coding: 00040853
   Shop #: WSC 01324  

1 Fault Found:
00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 119
                    Mileage: 197008 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        OFF
                    Voltage: 12.70 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:. 1T0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 919 475 C    HW: 1T0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE PLA H07 0009  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 61730935003852
   Coding: 111001
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 3B7F5C31BA135653D6-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1T0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 909 605 D    HW: 1T0 909 605 D
   Component: 1D AIRBAG VW8   021 0100  
   Revision: 02021000    Serial number: 003B9D0FALJF  
   Coding: 0012612
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 36694D0541318B3B29-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332QSME0F4B4D08U

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342QSME344B37008

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME13460A023

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME06462818D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CF    HW: 1K0 953 549 CF
   Component: J0527           056 0111  
   Coding: 0000132
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 78F5833D0BA5BD4BFB-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0030

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 920 974 A    HW: 1T0 920 974 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 2416  
   Revision: V0005000    Serial number: VWX7Z0J03N60LY
   Coding: 0003401
   Shop #: WSC 57890 001 1048576
   VCID: 356B4A095C37802320-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-815-071.clb
   Part No: 1K0 815 071 T
   Component: Zuheizer        050 2504  
   Revision: 00050000    Serial number: 09009839000000
   Coding: 0000011
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 36694D0541318B3B29-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0112  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 130110F1001347
   Coding: E9A07F46400A12008003
   Shop #: WSC 01130 210 66681
   VCID: 69D3D679400F14C374-803C

2 Faults Found:
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 119
                    Mileage: 197004 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 16:39:36

00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 119
                    Mileage: 197004 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 16:39:36


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 920 974 A    HW: 1T0 920 974 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 2416  
   Revision: V0005000    Serial number: VWX7Z0J03N60LY
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 356B4A095C37802320-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 B    HW: 5N0 035 342 B
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0090  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7667757112    
   Coding: 020000
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 26499D455191FBBB99-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J794)       Labels:| 3C0-035-270.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 035 270     HW: 3C0 035 270 
   Component: RNS310        H14 0227  
   Revision: 10000000    Serial number: VWZ1Z2K9106467
   Coding: 000004010400000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   ASAM Dataset: VW_RNS310 A02007
   ROD: EV_VWRNS310UDS.rod
   VCID: 57B7E0812E7B9233D2-8002

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 T    HW: 1T0 959 701 T
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2102  
   Coding: 0000693
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 489533FD3BC50DCB4B-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     3001  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 31637E19A85FAC037C-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0204  
   Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 9990020851034C7F0006850570085FC690FC00
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 030FE4D14263EE93DE-8056

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 947 291 F
   Component: Innenraumueberw.009 4809  
   Coding: 00000000
   Shop #: WSC 01324  

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H05 1501

   Subsystem 7 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 C
   Component: Neigungssensor  005 0003

1 Fault Found:
00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 119
                    Mileage: 197008 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 16:56:59


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 R    HW: 1T0 959 702 R
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2102  
   Coding: 0000693
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 479730C136DB02B342-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2102  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 1012552
   VCID: 32617115AD59971B05-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
   Component: Anhaenger     H09 0100  
   Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00008200385456
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 30657B1D6355A50B73-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2102  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 1012552
   VCID: 336F741152439E130E-8066

No fault code found.

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My guess: A power problem, possibly a failing relay.

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Uwe, thanks - the car has actually stopped for good now! Which is good in a sense. For diagnosing anyway.


It is more than an instrument fault as the car is dead apart from central locking/external lights and radio.

we have no instruments, wipers, elec windows, engine crank or motor noises and no crank at all.

All fuses ok and have manually tested all accessible relays at onboard power supply and the single relay in the engine bay fusebox

I am thinking power issues too but am working blind at this time. Hoping to get a wiring diagram tomorrow but I have found no supply power to the steering column module j527 on any terminals.

Do you have a pin out for this module? I’m pretty sure I should have power on pin 19 red/yellow but need a diagram for certain

can anyone help with this?
 
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The car packed up completely today so made it easier to find the fault. Broken red/yellow wire from fuse 6 bonnet fusebox to supply instrument cluster and steering column module. Down at inner wing between fusebox and battery.

All the best.
 
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