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Hi team
Help please I have a 2013 VW Up! 1 litre 3 cylinder, with the Automated Manual Gearbox, (Think of it being similiar to a BMW SMG) this is mechanically identical to the Seat MiiGo and probably a few others within the VW / Seat / Audi family
The little thing doesnt want to crank and hence start - it has a code that instantly comes back when cleared P175F - Basic Settings not performed
When I got the car as a non runner and no history of the issue / cause etc
I performed the basic settings on the clutch actuation worked fine and would "complete successfully" however the gear actuator on the gearbox would make noises in response to the basic settings commands (select gear etc) but they would never "complete successfully" they would constantly go to "unknown" so since the ECU cant determine the cars in Neutral, the engine wont crank wont start, I then replaced the entire gear box actuator with a Brand New unit and exactly the same issue prevails.
As fault finding I have done this
1) checked all engine bay wiring and ecu at the battery tray for corrosion and/or chaffing - none found
2) checked all fuses including the one up by the obd port - no fault found
3) new battery
4) I can actuate various engine components from basic settings, ie switch engine fan on, switch evap solenoids, do throttle nody alignment, control the tachometer and speedo etc
5) stripped and cleaned the in cabin gear lever, the lights around this selector lever follow the selected gear - so no fault there
6) checked all interior wiring harness connections for tightness, corrosion and chaffing - none found
7) removed the "other" ecu from under the left front fender and inspected that without finding corrosion or chaffing
8) the engine cranks if i short the starter motor terminals
9) brake light switch works and all brake lights light up when pressed
10) physically verified movement occurs when the clutch is actuated
11) checked the gearbox for any other neutral or position sensors, only a speed sensor is fitted to it (the control units assume a position such as neutral from the actual actuator motors stepper position)
12) opened the old gearbox actuator to look for faults / shorts etc and nothing found, the new and old gearbox actuators are 100% the same, same impedance same positionally movement
The in car display shows a flashing N, regardless of in cabin selector position, the Red gear icon is lit constantly, the brake lights work
No matter what I try with the "Basic settings" I cant get it to accept or "complete successfully" so my process and method is faulty any help and assistance welcomed, before I engine swap it
The REDIRS failed is also a concern
any comments welcomed or other fault finding ideas
Thanks team
here is the autoscan
Help please I have a 2013 VW Up! 1 litre 3 cylinder, with the Automated Manual Gearbox, (Think of it being similiar to a BMW SMG) this is mechanically identical to the Seat MiiGo and probably a few others within the VW / Seat / Audi family
The little thing doesnt want to crank and hence start - it has a code that instantly comes back when cleared P175F - Basic Settings not performed
When I got the car as a non runner and no history of the issue / cause etc
I performed the basic settings on the clutch actuation worked fine and would "complete successfully" however the gear actuator on the gearbox would make noises in response to the basic settings commands (select gear etc) but they would never "complete successfully" they would constantly go to "unknown" so since the ECU cant determine the cars in Neutral, the engine wont crank wont start, I then replaced the entire gear box actuator with a Brand New unit and exactly the same issue prevails.
As fault finding I have done this
1) checked all engine bay wiring and ecu at the battery tray for corrosion and/or chaffing - none found
2) checked all fuses including the one up by the obd port - no fault found
3) new battery
4) I can actuate various engine components from basic settings, ie switch engine fan on, switch evap solenoids, do throttle nody alignment, control the tachometer and speedo etc
5) stripped and cleaned the in cabin gear lever, the lights around this selector lever follow the selected gear - so no fault there
6) checked all interior wiring harness connections for tightness, corrosion and chaffing - none found
7) removed the "other" ecu from under the left front fender and inspected that without finding corrosion or chaffing
8) the engine cranks if i short the starter motor terminals
9) brake light switch works and all brake lights light up when pressed
10) physically verified movement occurs when the clutch is actuated
11) checked the gearbox for any other neutral or position sensors, only a speed sensor is fitted to it (the control units assume a position such as neutral from the actual actuator motors stepper position)
12) opened the old gearbox actuator to look for faults / shorts etc and nothing found, the new and old gearbox actuators are 100% the same, same impedance same positionally movement
The in car display shows a flashing N, regardless of in cabin selector position, the Red gear icon is lit constantly, the brake lights work
No matter what I try with the "Basic settings" I cant get it to accept or "complete successfully" so my process and method is faulty any help and assistance welcomed, before I engine swap it
The REDIRS failed is also a concern
any comments welcomed or other fault finding ideas
Thanks team
here is the autoscan
Code:
Saturday,15,May,2021,11:24:23:16328
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 21.3.0.0 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4543.4
Data version: 20210226 DS325.0
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VIN: WVWZZZAAZDD016435 License Plate:
Chassis Type: AA-VW12 (6N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 09 13 15 17 19 25 44 56 AD
VIN: WVWZZZAAZDD016435 Mileage: 100950km-62727miles
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
AD-Brake Sensors -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CHYB) Labels:. 04C-906-020-CHY.clb
Part No SW: 04C 906 020 S HW: 04C 907 309
Component: 1.0l R3 MPI H01 6475
Revision: U7H01--- Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 00140012020400000000
Shop #: WSC 58186 001 1048576
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM10MPI01104C906020S 001009
ROD: EV_ECM10MPI01104C906020AA.rod
VCID: 2B030EAF4386CCD30A1-807E
No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 0101
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Address 02: Auto Trans (J514) Labels:* Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 0CT 927 750 A HW: 0CT 927 750 A
Component: SQ100 H10 0013
Coding: 000120
Shop #: WSC 59325 001 1048576
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMSQ101011 004010
ROD: EV_TCMSQ101011_004.rod
VCID: 46D55F1BF82411BBF5F-8012
1 Fault Found:
19931 - Transmission
P175F 00 [167] - Basic Settings Not Performed
MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 100956 km
Date: 2021.05.15
Time: 20:47:03
Engine RPM: 0.00 /min
Transmission input speed: 0 /min
Transmission output speed: 0 /min
Engine torque: 0 Nm
ATF temperature: 18 °C
Accelerator pedal position: 0.0 %
Clutch status: 2
Unlearning counter according OBD: 1
Driving mode-Text Tabel: Drivng Situation: KEINE_SYSTEMFREIGABE
Transmission status-CLEARANCE PHASE: not active
Transmission status-DISENGAGE PHASE: not active
Transmission status-engaged: not active
Transmission status-ENGAGING PHASE: not active
Transmission status-General Error: not active
Transmission status-Initialisation of gearbox mode is active: not active
Transmission status-MAIN SYNCHRONIZE PHASE: not active
Transmission status-MECANICAL BLOCKER: not active
Transmission status-NO SHIFT MANAGER DISABLED: not active
Transmission status-PRE SYNCHRONIZE PHASE: not active
Transmission status-PRELOAD PHASE: not active
Transmission status-PREPARING PHASE: not active
Transmission status-PUSHOUT PHASE: not active
Transmission status-REBOUND PHASE: not active
Transmission status-REQUEST DOUBLE CLUTCHING: not active
Transmission status-SELECT PHASE: not active
Transmission status-Shifting acitve: not active
Transmission status-SYNCHRONIZE READY: not active
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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 1S0-614-517.clb
Part No SW: 1S0 614 517 D HW: 1S0 614 517 D
Component: EBC 460 ESP H08 0011
Serial number: A000SHO
Coding: 11BF247189AE02F788FE24F891AE408059B200
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESPMP1TRWVW120 016035
ROD: EV_Brake1ESPMP1TRWVW120.rod
VCID: 303919C36AA0AF0B3F3-8064
1 Fault Found:
0342 - Please Check Fault Codes in Transmission Control Module
U1026 00 [009] - -
[MSG_GE1_ZIELGANG_FAULT]
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 245
Mileage: 100956 km
Date: 2021.05.15
Time: 20:40:43
DTC: 00 01 56
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 1S0-937-09x-V1.clb
Part No SW: 1S0 937 087 B HW: 1S0 937 087 B
Component: PQ25 BCM H28 0555
Revision: -9------ Serial number: --------------
Coding: 64B8290000010000000008042C28ACC00040400C60020000200000400100
Shop #: WSC 12859 002 1048576
VCID: 382921E38250774B773-806C
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 1S0 959 655 HW: 1S0 959 655
Component: VW10Airbag00C H03 0005
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003G3003FN1L
Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003043
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW12X 001001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750_VW12.rod
VCID: 7BA3FEEFF3669C53DA1-802E
Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3575HRB404V1EVLE3H88
Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
Serial number: 3585HRB405R11PN850EH
Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3555NRB40064UH24MOM%
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 1Sx-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
Part No SW: 1S0 920 860 C HW: 1S0 920 860 C
Component: KOMBI H21 0105
Revision: X0021005 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 114200
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_KombiUDSMM9RM10 A04712
ROD: EV_KombiUDSMM9RM10_A04_VW12.rod
VCID: 303919C36AA0AF0B3F3-8064
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
Part No SW: 6N0 909 901 HW: 1S0 937 087 B
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H28 0555
Revision: -9------
Coding: 001100
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 70B9D9C3AAA0EF0B7F3-8024
No fault code found.
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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels:. 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 1S0 920 860 C
Component: IMMO H21 0105
Revision: X0021005 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_ImmoUDSMM9RM10 A01702
ROD: EV_ImmoUDSMM9RM10_VW12.rod
VCID: 6A8DCBAB8CFC15DB317-803E
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist (J792) Labels:| 1Sx-909-144-44.clb
Part No SW: 1S2 909 144 G HW: 1S2 909 144 G
Component: EPS_ECU H40 1503
Coding: 0001000101000000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisNSK 009004
ROD: EV_SteerAssisNSK_009_VW12.rod
VCID: 382921E382D0774B773-806C
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 1S0 035 156 HW: 1S0 035 156
Component: Radio H35 0050
Revision: R0000000 Serial number: VWZAZ1M2636005
Coding: 0000040802
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 6889B1A3927027CB273-803C
No fault code found.
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Address AD: Brake Sensors (J939) Labels: 1S0-907-201.clb
Part No SW: 1S0 907 201 HW: 1S0 907 201
Component: CV-SENSOR H06 0450
ASAM Dataset: EV_CVSen 001001
ROD: EV_CVSen.rod
VCID: 678BB29F9FEE28B32E9-8032
No fault code found.
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