RNS510 + Bluetooth Upgrade - VW Polo 6R (no Bluetooth signal)

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Dear Ross-Tech community,

Earlier this week I retrofitted our VW Polo 6R (1.4 petrol Match) with the following equipment:

1) RNS510 part number 1T0 035 686 F

2) Telephone Bluetooth Module part number 3C8 035 730 E

This equipment was previously fitted to a 2016 MY VW Tiguan and came with the OEM harness, GPS, GSM, DAB antenna and microphone.

The installation was relatively easy and both modules were added to the CAN Gateway and coded using the long code helper. Only reported issue with VCDS was a problem with AUX In, which is showing a fault code 03138. I have attached a full scan for your reference.

The RNS510 radio and navigation is working perfectly, as is the media player part number 5N0 035 342 E. However I have encountered the following problems:

a) AUX IN - the previously functional Aux-in fitted within the Center console does not function. I have read on the forum that I should swap pin 1 and pin 7 over on the original quad lock to cure this fault, but am reluctant to make any changes unless I understand why.

b) Bluetooth- try as I might I can’t find a Bluetooth signal emanating from the Bluetooth module. I have tried multiple coding combinations and resetting both this and the RNS unit , but no joy. I’ve searched the Adaptions drop-down options, but the only reference to Bluetooth is to set the PIN. I have tried this also, but it makes no difference. Again I have read on the forum that you can access the channels within the Bluetooth module to switch Bluetooth on and off, but this functionality is hidden from me, so without security access to the module I can’t check functionality.

I’m sure this is not a new problem and I don’t believe there is an issue with the equipment. I suspect the solution lies in coding and/or adaption, however any guidance you or the community can provide would be much appreciated.

This is a standard car in Polo Match trim, so has a conventional MFD cluster and is not fitted with a MFSW.

I look forward to your response.

Regards

Mick Conway

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Saturday,17,April,2021,15:34:57:03412

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VCDS Version: 21.3.0.0 (x64)

Data version: 20210226 DS325.0

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Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)

Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 37 44 56 77

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZCU022820 Mileage: 162030km-100680miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000

03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000

04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000

08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000

09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000

15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000

17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000

19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000

25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000

2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Malfunction 0010

37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000

44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000

56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000

77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 01: Engine Labels: 03C-906-024-BXW.lbl

Part No SW: 03C 906 024 CN HW: 03C 906 024 BH

Component: CGGB MM4HV 8994 Revision: --H09--- Serial number: Coding: 0000071

Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414

VCID: 6CD7A24A4C86A3EB0F-5122

No fault code found.

Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb

Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AK HW: 6R0 907 379 AF

Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001 Revision: -------- Coding: 230224E3216F00B4C42D24E484D100801300

Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414

VCID: 071DFDE6B22060B382-8052

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301) Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AB.clb

Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 G HW: 6R0 820 045 G

Component: Man AC 02 0101 Revision: 0002S 02 VCID: 326B7C326D22351B05-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb

Part No SW: 6R0 937 087 K HW: 6R0 937 087 Component: BCM PQ25 H+4 H46 0251 Revision: BF046001 Serial number: 0434 204111446

Coding: 24B02BBF08A10000003008002D2B0CD00040410F60060000200000000000

Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414

VCID: 458137EECCACB2A3B0-8010

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AB HW: 6R0 959 802 AB Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB

Component: J386__TSG_FT 008 1611 Serial number: KU0KU007071100012675

Coding: 18BC30

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AD HW: 6R0 959 801 AD Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB

Component: J387__TSG_BT 008 1611 Serial number: KU0KU011071100011511

Coding: 08BC30

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 G HW: 6R0 959 811 G

Component: J388__TSG_HL 008 1611 Serial number: KU0KU022071100012075

Coding: 08BC32

Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 G HW: 6R0 959 812 G

Component: J389__TSG_HR 008 1611 Serial number: KU0KU025071100012634

Coding: 08BC32

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb

Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K HW: 6R0 959 655 K

Component: VW10Airbag027 H09 0020 Revision: -------- Serial number: 003GX00S719B

Coding: 003237

Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414

ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001

ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod

VCID: 4A9B04D2EDB25DDB5D-801E

Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: Serial number: 3575HRB405L0N3MGA1KS

Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor: Serial number: 3585HRB405J0NLV2AGH9

Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side): Serial number: 3515RRB40590LCOQM8MH

Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor: Serial number: 3525RRB404V0LCOS30TL

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1

Part No SW: 6R0 920 960 H HW: 6R0 920 960 H

Component: KOMBI H03 0505 Serial number: 00000000000000

Coding: 440A01

Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04113

ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod

VCID: 3A7B5412BD52CD5BCD-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb

Part No SW: 6N0 909 901 HW: 6R0 937 087 Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H46 0251 Revision: BF046001 Coding: 002300

Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414

VCID: 70EFB63AA3AE470B33-8024

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb

Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234 Component: IMMO H03 0505 Serial number: Coding: 000000

Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009

ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod

VCID: 6ADBA4528D72BDDB7D-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650) Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl

Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 E HW: 5N0 035 342 E

Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0240 Revision: A1001003 Serial number: 7660501743 Coding: 010000

Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414

VCID: 29599B5E40F476C3B4-807C

1 Fault Found:

03138 - Input AUX IN 009 - Open or Short to Ground

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01101001

Fault Priority: 4

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 222

Mileage: 162036 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2015.09.08

Time: 15:29:33

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 37: Navigation (J0506) Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb

Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 F HW: 1T0 035 686 F

Component: RNS-MID H31 6276 Revision: AB001001 Serial number: VWZ6Z7T8570611

Coding: 0C010402040000800001

Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

VCID: 377D4D268640D03332-8062

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B

Component: EU West V15 8515 No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb

Part No: 6R0 423 156 B

Component: LenkhilfeTRW V277 Coding: 11250

Shop #: WSC 31414 VCID: 2F6D7546EA1018F36A-807A

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 56: Radio (J0506) Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb

Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 F HW: 1T0 035 686 F

Component: RNS-MID H31 6276 Revision: AB001001 Serial number: VWZ6Z7T8570611

Coding: 0C010402040000800001

Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

VCID: 377D4D268640D03332-8062

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B

Component: EU West V15 8515 No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels:| 3C8-035-730-A.clb

Part No SW: 3C8 035 730 E HW: 3C8 035 730 E

Component: Telefon 025 0983 Revision: -------- Serial number: 35502105253885

Coding: 020000010101010000000101

Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00999

ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVPremi 002709

ROD: EV_UHVPremi.rod

VCID: 2541976E24EC52A390-8070

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:56)--------------------------
 
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Hi and welcome.

Got you Verified. Moving this to Retrofits.

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Hi and welcome.

Got you Verified. Moving this to Retrofits.

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Thank you Uwe. That should help find an answer!
 
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did you check in 77 adaptations if bluetooth is set to hidden or visible?
 
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Hi m87a,

In module 77 I have a limited number of channels available. I can either use a drop down menu or search channel numbers manually. The only channel on drop down is for setting the bluetooth PIN. If I try to search manually I can only access the same channels that feature on the drop down, so not much help. I guess if I had the security code I might be able to access the channel you refer to, but unfortunately I don't.

Thanks for your assistance.
 
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Address 77 should support roughly 25 Adaptation channels and it wouldn't require a SA code. You might want to run an Adaptation function Control Module Map, open the resulting file with Notepad and post the results here so we can make sure everything communicates as expected. Maps are explained here:


You won't be able to run a Measuring Block function map with a legacy interface but there are only 28 (or so) Advanced Measuring Values in 77 so you could connect to it, tick the first 12 boxes, Add to Log, clear those boxes and then repeat to obtain data related to the current condition in the form of a text log file.

I don't see any obvious coding issues but the AUX-In discrepancy would be best sorted by comparing the factory wiring diagram with one from the donor Tiguan.
 
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Hi Dana, thanks for your advice. I will do as you suggest and post the results tomorrow. Much appreciated.
 
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Hello Mick,

the problem is the module. This module is not suitable for polo 6r if you have no MFA+. Because with this module it displays a code in the MFA+ which needs to be inserted in the phone for pairing. Since you don’t have this you can not see this!

you need a module that begins with 7p6 or 5k0. This will work perfectly
 
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Hi vastechnics, thanks for your advice. If this is the problem, then I should have done more investigation beforehand and bought a different module. Hopefully there is a workaround, but if not I will look the alternative module.

Dana requested that I post a channel map of module 77, so hopefully this will provide greater insight.

Any additional comments are welcome. I have same for module 56 and 37 just in case these are needed.


;SW:3C8-035-730-E HW:3C8-035-730-E --- Telephone
;Component:Telefon 025 0983Coding:020000010101010000000101
;EV_UHVPremi
2709​
EV_UHVPremi.rod
;Tuesday
20​
April
;VCDS Version: Release 21.3.0 (x64) Data version: 20210226 DS325.0
;VCID: 2541976E24EC52A390-8070
IDE00037-Programmability status00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
11​
IDE00758-Base volume of telephone0 dB
1​
IDE00759-Base volume of speech output0 dB
1​
IDE00760-Microphone sensitivity0 dB
1​
IDE00761-Run-on time15 min
1​
IDE00762-Setting Bluetooth PIN
1234​
2​
IDE00765-Delay of audio output0.1 s
1​
IDE00766-Reference channel delay0 ms
1​
IDE00769-Call number 1 for info call00 80 08 65 57 92 43 6F
8​
IDE00770-Number 1 for roadside assistance00 80 08 97 37 84 23
7​
IDE00771-Media playback volume0 dB
1​
IDE02330-Call number 2 for info call00 80 08 65 57 92 43 6F
8​
IDE02331-Number 2 for roadside assistance00 80 08 97 37 84 23
7​
IDE04295-Bluetooth: Preferred connection profile for phone book dataPBAP
1​
IDE04550-Bluetooth: Sniff modeactive
1​
IDE08792-Bluetooth address of external card reader
0​
12​
ENG122912-External_SIM_Card_Reader_NameSIM
Ò
0​
32​
ENG122913-Phonebook_Access_From_External_Deviceactivated
1​
ENG122911-WLAN_Default_Channel
11​
1​
ENG122910-WLAN_Dynamic_Host_Configuration_Range
20​
1​
ENG122914-ENG122916-WLAN_Hotspot_Name-car_detectionYes
33​
ENG122914-ENG122915-WLAN_Hotspot_Name-customer_adjustable_nameYes
33​
ENG122914-ENG122917-WLAN_Hotspot_Name-default_nameVW WiFi
33​
 
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I'd say the module is communicating as expected based on that list of available Adaptation channels.

@vastechnics is likely correct in regards to the MFA since you don't have another way to learn a new phone such as the Bluetooth (overhead) phone console / button pack I had in prior NAR market Mk6 models.
 
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Thank you Dana and vastechnics. Not what I wanted to hear, but taking me closer to a solution. Looks like my choices are:

1 - modify the car to include MFSW or MFA+, or
2 - purchase alternative BT module 7P6/5K0

Assuming the latter is plug & play this would be my preference. Hopefully I can use the same harness and just exchange the unit. Ross-Tech guidelines indicate that 7P6-035-730-L or 5K0-035-730-F are the later standards of compatible units. How can I be certain to avoid similar integration issues, given the low spec of my car?

Thanks again for your assistance.
 
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Looks like my choices are:

1 - modify the car to include MFSW or MFA+, or

It's not an or, but you need to do both. Just the MFSW is not enough. And the MFA+ without 2-sided MFSW is not very practical either.
 
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Thanks for the confirmation @iichel. I wonder if he could plug that 77 module into a higher spec Mk6 based car, delete all old phone profiles, mate his phone and then plug it back into his car? Is that the dumbest idea ever ... or could it work for now?
 
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I like your thinking Dana. Just need to avoid trashing the telephone system from someone else’s vehicle.

option 2 is looking more attractive by the minute. Hopefully I can sell the module I have and secure a replacement for similar money.

I’m still a little concerned about integrating the alternative modules, given that I have neither of the higher spec features discussed earlier.

Thank you @iichel for your insight.
 
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Thanks for the confirmation @iichel. I wonder if he could plug that 77 module into a higher spec Mk6 based car, delete all old phone profiles, mate his phone and then plug it back into his car? Is that the dumbest idea ever ... or could it work for now?
This is exactly what I do for my customers, apart from my car being a Polo with MFA+ :) Works like a charm.
 
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Thanks iichel.

@Mick.Conway Assuming you know someone with a donor/loaner car that fits the specifications you won't trash their system. Unplugging their 77 module, so you can plug yours in, might set a few DTCs here and there for communication, microphone type, and similar but you can clear all of those after reinstalling their factory 77 module. You won't wipe the profiles from the donor car as long as the donor car's original module is unplugged when tinkering in the MFA.

My only advice would be to firstly run a complete Auto-Scan before any swapping. In the unlikely event that the donor car has a preexisting problem you won't spend time stressing over reoccurring fault codes that are unrelated to the swapping.
 
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Thanks @dan and @iichel. Sounds like a good short term plan to get connected.

I will pursue the alternative module, so if @vastechnics can offer his advice on module part numbers to avoid a recurrence of this problem it would be helpful. It looks like the 7P6 and 5K0 modules are circa 2011-12 vintage, while my current module is 2014.

If going back the way sorts the integration problem it is perhaps a better solution for this car in the medium term.

Excellent help from all of you, so thanks very much.
 
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I'm not expert in that area but all of those Mk6 era 77 modules should have the identical connector and wiring scheme. This page is dated however it may be helpful:

 
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Well to be honest 7P6 or 5K0 doesn't matter. But my advise take one of last indexes. Because then of the most bug fixes are done.
 
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That’s very helpful. I’ll start my search and hopefully get this issue resolved quickly. Thanks again for your assistance.
 
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