[PQ25] Fog Lights supported in 937 087?

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Hi,

Code:
Mittwoch,09,September,2020,16:35:11:25454
VCDS -- Windows-basierter VAG/VAS-Emulator läuft auf Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: DRV 20.4.1.1  HEX-NET CB: 0.4513.4
Datenstand: 20200518 DS317.0
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Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: TMBEL65J2B3027879   KFZ-Kennzeichen: HZ RK 693
Kilometerstand: 152650km   Reparaturauftrag: park 4k index B



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Fahrzeugtyp: 5J-SK25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 17 19 25 37 44 56

Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: TMBEL65J2B3027879   Kilometerstand: 152650km

01-Motorelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000
03-Bremsenelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000
04-Lenkwinkelsensor -- Status: i.O. 0000
08-Klima-/Heizungsel. -- Status: i.O. 0000
09-Zentralelektrik -- Status: i.O. 0000
10-Einparkhilfe 2 -- Status: i.O. 0000
15-Airbag -- Status: i.O. 0000
17-Schalttafeleinsatz -- Status: i.O. 0000
19-Diagnoseinterface -- Status: i.O. 0000
25-Wegfahrsperre -- Status: i.O. 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: i.O. 0000
44-Lenkhilfe -- Status: i.O. 0000
56-Radio -- Status: i.O. 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adresse 01: Motorelektronik (J623-CAYC)       Labeldatei:. DRV\03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 03L 906 023 DN    HW: 03L 906 023 DL
   Bauteil: 1,6l R4 CR td H13 9971
   Revision: --H13---    Seriennummer:              
   Codierung: 00114014002400080000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DN 003008
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023AH_003.rod
   VCID: F5A2A11754A2D82EA9-80A0

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Adresse 03: Bremsenelektronik (J104)       Labeldatei:. DRV\6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6R0 907 379 AA    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Bauteil: ESP8.2i front H05 0003
   Revision: --------  
   Codierung: 410148DB416F00B9822D12E982DA00421300
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 13765 790 00046
   VCID: FDB2B9376092806EE1-80A8

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 08: Klima-/Heizungsel. (J301)       Labeldatei: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 5J0 820 045 B    HW: 5J0 820 045 B
   Bauteil: Climatic       12 0660
   Revision: 0002S 12  
   VCID: A404AC53A7B811A6CE-80F0

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 09: Zentralelektrik (J519)       Labeldatei:. DRV\6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6R7 937 087 H    HW: 6R7 937 087 F
   Bauteil: PQ25 BCM      H11 0023
   Revision: -1------    Seriennummer: 1002424901  
   Codierung: 7C980B3808210000002800C03E0B18C10080400F600000000000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00070 000 00000
   VCID: C9DA1DE760DAECCE1D-809C

   Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 801 M    HW: 6R0 959 801 M  Labeldatei: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Bauteil: J386__TSG_FT  002 3210
   Seriennummer: --------------------
   Codierung: 020000

   Subsystem 2 - Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 802 P    HW: 6R0 959 802 P  Labeldatei: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Bauteil: J387__TSG_BT  002 3210
   Seriennummer: --------------------
   Codierung: 020000

   Subsystem 3 - Teilenummer SW: 3T0 959 537 D    HW: 3T0 959 537 D
   Bauteil: E221__MFL-URO  H07 0012
   Seriennummer: 2276407            
   Codierung: 800000

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 10: Einparkhilfe 2 (J446)       Labeldatei:| DRV\5J0-919-475.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 5J0 919 475 B    HW: 5J0 919 475 A
   Bauteil: PARKHILFE 4K  H11 0010
   Revision: --H11---    Seriennummer: 32961324505738
   Codierung: 100002
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 33361 790 00052
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_EPHVA14SKxxx0000 002001
   ROD: EV_EPHVA14SKxxx0000_002.rod
   VCID: B4245C131F5881265E-80E0

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 15: Airbag (J234)       Labeldatei:| DRV\5K0-959-655.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6R0 959 655 D    HW: 6R0 959 655 D
   Bauteil: VW10AirbagT13 H09 0018
   Revision: --------    Seriennummer: 003DX0018RXW
   Codierung: 003133
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 13765 790 00046
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: C3C60FCF4AF6369ED7-8096

   Crashsensor für Seitenairbag Fahrerseite:
   Seriennummer: 3496GRB401RCOTCN63UW

   Crashsensor für Seitenairbag Beifahrerseite:
   Seriennummer: 3506GRB402VCOTCN43QN

   Crashsensor für Seitenairbag hinten Fahrerseite:
   Seriennummer: 3516GRB402FCOTCMORC.

   Crashsensor für Seitenairbag hinten Beifahrerseite:
   Seriennummer: 3526GRB402FCOTCMOJDV

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 17: Schalttafeleinsatz (J285)       Labeldatei:| DRV\5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Teilenummer SW: 5J0 920 841 D    HW: 5J0 920 841 D
   Bauteil: KOMBI         H05 0306
   Seriennummer: 00000000000000
   Codierung: 020A01
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00070 123 12345
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04113
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_SK25.rod
   VCID: AB16476FC266DEDE0F-80FE

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 19: Diagnoseinterface (J533)       Labeldatei:. DRV\6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R7 937 087 F
   Bauteil: GW-K-CAN TP20 0023
   Revision: -1------  
   Codierung: 032200
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00070 000 00000
   VCID: F0AC900323C0FD067A-80A4

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 25: Wegfahrsperre (J334)       Labeldatei:| DRV\5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Bauteil: IMMO          H05 0306
   Seriennummer: 00000000000000
   Codierung: 000000
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: EA98826B0D1C07D634-80BE

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 37: Navigation (J794)       Labeldatei:| DRV\1K0-035-27x-37.clb
   Teilenummer SW: 3T0 035 192 J    HW: 3T0 035 192 J
   Bauteil: RNS315-EU   H52 0329
   Seriennummer: SKZAZ2M9282440
   Codierung: 000004110106000001000001
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 00070 000 00000
   ASAM Datensatz: EV_RNS315EUV2UDS 001705
   ROD: EV_RNS315EUV2UDS.rod
   VCID: B52261171422982E69-80E0

   Datenträger:
   Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer: 3AA 919 866
   Bauteil: EUR_W_V10  0070

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

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Adresse 44: Lenkhilfe        Labeldatei: DRV\6Q0-423-156.clb
   Teilenummer: 6R0 423 156 B
   Bauteil: LenkhilfeTRW        V277
   Codierung: 11230
   Betriebsnr.: WSC 13765
   VCID: AF2E537F6A7EA2FE23-80FA

Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden.

Ende--------(Dauer: 00:45, Batt.-Spannung Start/Ende: 13.9V/14.1V)---------

I retrofitted the Facelift Fabia 2 fog lights with DRL lights and wired it to the DRL switch and the fog lights to PIN 9 and 10 of T73B as erWin shows it. (PIN 7 of T73a from Light switch and to cluster as well). Before I started, it wasnt clear, if my BCM would support it, so I disconnected it from my car and tooked a look to the PINs. Some are missing inside the BCM but those for Fog lights (see above) were there. I believed that this would indicate support for those.

I was also able to Code "Fog lights installed" and "turn fog lights on with turn signals" (or similar). The coding was accepted. But it does not work. Neither with the light switch set to front fog lights nor while turn the turn signal on. EDIT: Byte 21, Bits 2 and 7

The engine was not running, only ignition was on.

Does m BCM support it? If no, why are the PINS there? I tried to open the BCM for further inspections but it seems to be locked somehow with a one time solution.

Reagrds,
 
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@WebCF: Hi Any chance of seeing an up-to-date copy of an auto-scan for the car?

Don
 
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It is nothing changed since then except the coding

I can do a fresh one tomorrow.
 
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Did you run a wire to T73b/11 from the fuse box terminal 30 (15A)? The 087 BCM should be able to offer cornering lights with fog lights, no problem.
 
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No, I did not run these wire, because erWin did not showed it to me for the section „static cornering lights)“

I will check this.
 
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I'll checked the BCM PINS: Pin 11 ist scratched, so there must be already a wire from factory side.

@dnoermann I believe the 087 is capable to control fog lights but any other "extension" is only available in higher versions.

But I did a mistake for the light switch. I believe I connected it to T73a/9 by fault. It has to be on the PIN 7 (I see that because the PIN looks unused/unscratched). Do the cornering lights with turn signal on also working with ign on but eng off? I tested it only with ign.

BTW: The SW is still the current one on this BCM?


EDIT: It is working now! Byte 12 Bit 6 was missing! And I had to switch the wire from Pin 9 to 7, as written.

Solved! :)
 
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I see. Here is the Polo 6R diagram, which shares the same platform with your Fabia 2 and the T5.1/5.2 and T5 Transporters. dnoermann knows a thing or two about it as well, I think he's being modest.

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And don't forget the wire T17/8 to T73a/7 for the fog light. There is no need to run a wire to the cluster for this. The wire for the cluster is for the rear fog indicator light.

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I'm also sharing some adaptation channels of the BCM, these are not documented but perhaps Ross Tech can implement them later in their labels @Dana ?
They apply to all PQ25 BCMs (6R0, 7H0, 7E0, 1S0, 5C0) with static cornering lights. I'm more than happy to share all the channels I know about.

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No. The wire to the cluster is actually for the front fog light. As stated in erwin. Without it, the led wont turn on.

edit: this is B554. This wire goes from light switch to cluster and BCM.

do you have a erwin installation? If not: from where got you these wiring diagrams?
 
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Yes I have an ElsaWin installation. B554 is perhaps different for your Fabia. In the Polo 6R, the B554 is the connection that goes to the hard-wired fog lights, if present. The Polo 6R has the indicator light for the front fog lights on the light switch itself, and the indicator light for the rear fog light in the cluster.
 
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Yea, I know this. But its expensive. I thought you habe other resources :)
 
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that's the way to do it :thumbs:
 
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This is the current Scan with coding.

Code:
Sunday,10,January,2021,17:31:48:25454
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.12.0.1 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4529.4
Data version: 20201125 DS322.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TMBEL65J2B3027879   License Plate:
Mileage: 155760km-96784mi   Repair Order: stat kurvenlicht



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Chassis Type: 5J-SK25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 17 19 25 37 44 56

VIN: TMBEL65J2B3027879   Mileage: 155760km-96784miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYC)       Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 DN    HW: 03L 906 023 DL
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H13 9971
   Revision: --H13---    Serial number:              
   Coding: 00114014002400080000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DN 003008
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023AH_003.rod
   VCID: F5A2A11754A2D82CA1-80A0

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AA    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0003
   Revision: --------  
   Coding: 410148DB416F00B9822D12E982DA00421300
   Shop #: WSC 13765 790 00046
   VCID: FDB2B9376092806CE9-80A8

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
   Part No SW: 5J0 820 045 B    HW: 5J0 820 045 B
   Component: Climatic       12 0660
   Revision: 0002S 12  
   VCID: A404AC53A7B811A4C6-80F0

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R7 937 087 H    HW: 6R7 937 087 F
   Component: PQ25 BCM      H11 0023
   Revision: -1------    Serial number: 1002424901  
   Coding: 7C980B3808210000002800C07E0B18C10080400F608400000000
   Shop #: WSC 00070 000 00000
   VCID: C9DA1DE760DAECCC15-809C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 M    HW: 6R0 959 801 M  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  002 3210
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 P    HW: 6R0 959 802 P  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  002 3210
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 3T0 959 537 D    HW: 3T0 959 537 D
   Component: E221__MFL-URO  H07 0012
   Serial number: 2276407            
   Coding: 800000

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 5J0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 5J0 919 475 B    HW: 5J0 919 475 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H11 0010
   Revision: --H11---    Serial number: 32961324505738
   Coding: 100002
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00052
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14SKxxx0000 002001
   ROD: EV_EPHVA14SKxxx0000_002.rod
   VCID: B4245C131F58812456-80E0

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 D    HW: 6R0 959 655 D
   Component: VW10AirbagT13 H09 0018
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003DX0018RXW
   Coding: 003133
   Shop #: WSC 13765 790 00046
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250_VW25.rod
   VCID: C3C60FCF4AF6369CDF-8096

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 3496GRB401RCOTCN63UW

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
   Serial number: 3506GRB402VCOTCN43QN

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Serial number: 3516GRB402FCOTCMORC.

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Serial number: 3526GRB402FCOTCMOJDV

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5J0 920 841 D    HW: 5J0 920 841 D
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0306
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 020A01
   Shop #: WSC 00070 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04113
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_SK25.rod
   VCID: AB16476FC266DEDC07-80FE

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R7 937 087 F
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0023
   Revision: -1------  
   Coding: 032200
   Shop #: WSC 00070 000 00000
   VCID: F0AC900323C0FD0472-80A4

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H05 0306
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW23.rod
   VCID: EA98826B0D1C07D43C-80BE

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J794)       Labels:| 1K0-035-27x-37.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 035 192 J    HW: 3T0 035 192 J
   Component: RNS315-EU   H52 0329
   Serial number: SKZAZ2M9282440
   Coding: 000004110106000001000001
   Shop #: WSC 00070 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RNS315EUV2UDS 001705
   ROD: EV_RNS315EUV2UDS.rod
   VCID: B52261171422982C61-80E0

   Data carrier:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3AA 919 866
   Component: EUR_W_V10  0070

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: None
   VCID: D5E2C1972862B82C81-8080

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 00:45, VBatt start/end: 14.4V/14.2V)-----------

@iichel is it possible to enable the lamp diagnostics on this BCM? I believe it shows me errors for braking lights already but these bits are all off. Is that working here?
(why is is not possible to upload pciture here?)

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They apply to all PQ25 BCMs (6R0, 7H0, 7E0, 1S0, 5C0) with static cornering lights. I'm more than happy to share all the channels I know about.
:thumbs: Even more adaptation channels to share? Especially interested about (possibly) channel to disengage auto-wiping when windscreen washer is operated. In freezing condition would like to squirt washer liquid a few times before wiping off.
 
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@iichel is it possible to enable the lamp diagnostics on this BCM? I believe it shows me errors for braking lights already but these bits are all off. Is that working here?
(why is is not possible to upload pciture here?)

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Check the bit to disable the diagnostics, so in your case you set bit 7 to ON
 
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Check to disable?! It states it should be checked ro enable it.

tjere is a spelling error (active vs aktiv, germam). Where can I report that? @Dana ?
 
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:thumbs: Even more adaptation channels to share? Especially interested about (possibly) channel to disengage auto-wiping when windscreen washer is operated. In freezing condition would like to squirt washer liquid a few times before wiping off.
I'm afraid this isn't possible, sorry.
Channel 53 is for high beam assist
Channel 54 is for return-to-center high beam stalk (T6 stalk)
Channel 56 is to indicate left-right-left or the other way around, like a thank you on the Autobahn
Channel 68 is to always illuminate the hazard light button

Then there are some channels to determine how long the heated front and rear windows stay on. Most of the others are already documented or unknown to me
 
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Check to disable?! It states it should be checked ro enable it.

tjere is a spelling error (active vs aktiv, germam). Where can I report that? @Dana ?
Yes but try and see... checking it will disable the diagnostics.
 
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If true, the labelfile should be fixed.
 
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