Help with long coding HVAC controller and N280 no ac problem

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Hi folks, thanks so much taking a look at my problem. Car is 2012 Q7 TDI

Few weeks ago I lost ac, there were no codes present, HVAC control ac button would stay on, and did not blink. Checked the AC low and high pressure and it was within specs. On audi g65 valve goes our pretty frequently so I replaced it as a first step. That did not resolve the issue, I had a hard time determining if the compressor clutch was engaging so I spliced the compressor wire about 8 inches from the compressor wire plug (please note, I did not cut the wire just spliced it) and give it 12V I did not hear the clutch engaging but I did get a code: 01232 - A/C Compressor Regulator Valve (N280) - not sure if me splicing the wire and applying the voltage caused an HVAC controller issue. I also had 01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255). Deleting both codes did not work, they came right back up, I tried multiple times.

I got a new compressor and changed it out, the old compressor was bone dry and the clutch seized for sure so I was on the right track, bonus here is that compressor comes with brand new N280 valve built into it, but the code 01232 did not go away. I was unable to charge the AC because this code prevented the compressor from turning on. I then consulted a mechanic friend and he instructed me to cut the compressor wire and run power directly to it - please note that this time I cut the wires completely off. This got the compressor on and I was able to refill the system and the temp in cabin dropped as well, but when I connected the wires back into the loom the codes were still present and AC did not work, the AC button on the controller in the cabin did not blink, and it did stay on. This is what I did next without any success of getting rid of 01232:

-located the ground for the compressor wire - checked continuity and it was good
-I cut the ground wire about 8 inches from the compressor plug and ran new ground to new spot
-I checked the continuity from my cut to the female socket on the plug - it was good
-performed adaptation on the front HVAC control unit - channel 1 and 3, cannel 5 caused the "upper limit exceed code"
-put in used rear HVAC control - the 01320 code also remained with the new unit


I think that my issue might be the front HVAC controller but I don't know how to code the used unit to the car, it tells me that the vin is an issue - rear used unit did not require coding. Can someone help me with how to "teach" the new unit what the vin is. Channel 81 under HVAC adaptation says error and does not let me input anything the cell for entering values is grayed out. Any other input and ideas are welcomed, thanks in advance!

Here is the scan:
Code:
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
28-HVAC, Rear -- Status: Malfunction 0010
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: OK 0000
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
6F-Centr. Conv. II -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CATA)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 4L2 910 401     HW: 4L0 907 401 D
   Component: 3.0TDI FSA    H18 0009
   Revision: 54H18---    Serial number:             
   Coding: 2A2A4012252600050000
   Shop #: WSC 09178 003 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401 002008
   ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0114L2910401_002.rod
   VCID: 61C9CF72706E008E7C-8034

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 1

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0C8-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 0C8 927 750 S    HW: 0C8 927 750 S
   Component: AL1000 AISIN  001 3408
   Serial number:             
   Coding: 001378
   Shop #: WSC 99999 999 83333
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL991031 002112
   ROD: EV_TCMAL991031_002.rod
   VCID: 3C775E06B74C0D660F-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels:. 4L0-910-517-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 517 M    HW: 4L0 614 517 L
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25E1   0020
   Revision: 00H02001  
   Coding: 0099473
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 34677626571CC526C7-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels:. 4F0-910-852.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 852 B    HW: 4F0 905 852 H
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV   H07 0200
   Revision: 00H07000    Serial number: 10603501930676
   Coding: 0000131
   Shop #: WSC 49318 000 1048576
   VCID: 25419B62ECC6ACAE40-8070

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 132 J
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS   H03 0020

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 220 G
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 IDG   H01 0053

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 043 D    HW: 4L0 820 043 AH
   Component: KLIMA 4 ZONEN H15 0070
   Revision: 00---026    Serial number: 00000000306780
   Coding: 0002A036
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 25419B622CC6ACAE40-8070

2 Faults Found:
01232 - A/C Compressor Regulator Valve (N280)
            007 - Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100111
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 223
                    Mileage: 120872 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.12.12
                    Time: 12:30:24

             Freeze Frame:
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Current: 0.780 A

01487 - System Function Test
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 223
                    Mileage: 120872 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.12.12
                    Time: 10:49:57


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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 AH    HW: 4F0 907 279 D
   Component: ILM Fahrer      H31 0400
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 4F0907279   
   Coding: 0039123
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 6FEDB94A7EBAA6FEFA-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L1 910 113   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AU716   H18 0110
   Coding: 00064792
   Shop #: WSC 31414

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8K0 910 557   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH04 0003
   Coding: 00150059
   Shop #: WSC 31414

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 4L0-910-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 655 A    HW: 4L0 959 655 B
   Component: 73 AIRBAG AUDI8RH43 0230
   Revision: 07H43000    Serial number: 0038QD09YJ7X
   Coding: 0014131
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 2B556D5A8A229ADE96-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 959 339 C
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. H05 0040

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332QSME3F665344L

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342QSME3F662966T

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME6B685750P

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME12671D5CP

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63734SME1865155E3

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63834SME38640960

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 B    HW: 4F0 953 549 E
   Component: J0527               0830
   Revision: 00H08000    Serial number: 90026113300149
   Coding: 0002042
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 285F92569BD4B1C67B-807C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
   Component: E0221           H03 0030

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 4L0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 4L0 920 984 R    HW: 4L0 920 984 R
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H22 0411
   Revision: 00200000    Serial number: LWW40CW6H   
   Coding: 8BD664040100CF05020205
   Shop #: WSC 59040 001 1048576
   VCID: 428B20FEDDA87B9645-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 4F0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 907 468 R    HW: 4F0 907 468 F
   Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H06 0057
   Revision: LB500035    Serial number: 3500L11B240156
   Coding: 00C303
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 3E73540EA9501F7621-806A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 D    HW: 8K0 915 181 D
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0125
   Serial number: 00000000002790123736

No fault code found.

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Address 28: HVAC, Rear        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 158     HW: 4L0 919 158 AA
   Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH06 0060
   Revision: 00---010    Serial number: 00000000306442
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 68DFD2565B5471C6BB-803C

1 Fault Found:
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255)
            013 - Check DTC Memory
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 223
                    Mileage: 120872 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.12.12
                    Time: 12:30:24

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 760 D    HW: 4F0 959 760 D
   Component: MEM-FS        H08 0064
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000018913052
   Coding: 00581300000011110000
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 326B703E6D08CB16D5-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 4F0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 793 T    HW: 8K0 959 793 M
   Component: TSG FA        H12 0362
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000019198419
   Coding: 011F07205E40440004
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 489F32D6FB9451C69B-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 4L0-910-289.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 289 K    HW: 4L0 907 289 K
   Component: Komfortgeraet   H11 0120
   Revision: 0120 ---    Serial number: 01613365920000
   Coding: 3569693
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 387F42164B742146EB-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H05 1501

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4L0 035 223 J    HW: 4L0 035 223 G
   Component: BOSE G3 Q7    H03 0160
   Revision: CH003000    Serial number: 00000000018891
   Coding: 030000
   Shop #: WSC 44064 001 1048576
   VCID: 2959975240DE88CE64-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 4C: Tire Pressure II        Labels: 4F0-910-274.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 274 B    HW: 4F0 907 274
   Component: J793  RKA+      H04 0110
   Revision: 00000519    Serial number: 00005190137491
   Coding: 0758477
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 2345857AE2F2529E2E-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II        Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 280     HW: 4F0 907 280 D
   Component: ILM Beifahrer   H16 0100
   Revision:             Serial number: 00000000100753
   Coding: 0012001
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 5EB3F48E89103F7641-800A

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 4F0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 792 T    HW: 8K0 959 792 M
   Component: TSG BF        H12 0362
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000019219269
   Coding: 011F07205E40440004
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 479D31EAF68A5EBE92-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:| 8X0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 907 357 C    HW: 8X0 907 357 B
   Component: ****LWR12**** H02 0012
   Serial number: 111209-0001-008
   Coding: 1147A71010020000
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulBasic 005001
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulBasic.rod
   VCID: 428B20FED5A87B9645-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G    HW: 4G0 035 082
   Component: Radio U SIRIU H53 0133
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 236L%0B7501379
   Coding: 020007010000000000
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 2447866627FC55A657-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 4L2 035 746 G    HW: 4L2 035 746
   Component: H-BNT-NA      H42 0901
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 097L70B7507673
   Coding: 180200060004E3EF41000345EF632003140000000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 326B703E6D08CB16D5-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 AD
   Component: NAR 2011  0505

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604     HW: 8R0 919 604
   Component: DU7 High  H41 0104
   Serial number: A130K90BS066802   

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4L0 919 614 B    HW: 4L0 919 614 B
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H01 0060
   Serial number: 00000001955119    

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 B
   Component: CD-Database  3371

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 P    HW: 4F0 959 795 P
   Component: TSG HL        H11 0362
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000019175498
   Coding: 010E07204040230004
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 46833CEEF18047B669-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 441 B    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
   Component: J772__Rearview      0030
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number: 525PA8-J1Y40S3
   Coding: 1021101
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 25419B62ECC6ACAE40-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect.        Labels: 4L0-910-945.clb
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 945     HW: 4L0 827 851 E
   Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H57 0500
   Revision: --H57001    Serial number: E5030000B   
   Shop #: WSC 98765 666 38354
   VCID: 6CD7AE464FAC5DE6DF-8038

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 946
   Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H57 0500

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: E5030100B   

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: RD08.12.11--H57001001A0012ÿ

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 1A0012ÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 6F: Centr. Conv. II        Labels:. 4L0-910-290.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 290 A    HW: 4L0 907 290 A
   Component: ILM HINTEN 2    H08 0080
   Revision: AAH08080    Serial number: 122747277-----
   Coding: 0003595
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 26439C6E91C0A7B649-8072

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 A
   Component: J_245_EE16_SKB10H12 0220

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 A
   Component: J_394_EE16_SKB10H12 0220

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 A
   Component: J_392_EE16_SKB10H12 0220

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 P    HW: 4F0 959 795 P
   Component: TSG HR        H11 0362
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000019174239
   Coding: 010E07204040230004
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 46833CEEF18047B669-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 4Fx-910-283.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 283 C    HW: 4L0 919 283 C
   Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan H03 0500
   Revision: 00H03000    Serial number: 37361132301776
   Coding: 0221266
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 2A5B685E85D883D66D-807E

No fault code found.
 
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I would say you still have a problem and it’s not coding.

Check the wiring to the compressor. Then did you take the car to ac fill after changing the compressor?

I would make a full flush of the system. There’s a risk that metal particles have entered the the ac system after compressor breakdown. Those kill the dryer quite fast. The valve pressure limit might indicate a blockage in the system.
 
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Thank you downtime I did check wiring it seems to be ok. its hard to check the entire lenght of the wire as it enters the engine wiring harness so its hard to check. Yes system was filled and when the compressor wiring was bypassed direcly to 12V supply it blew cold. I just did N280 output test and it shows (with ignition on, not car on)

Current 1.275 A
Load 127.5%
Load 19.5%
Abs Pres. 5.2 bar
 
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it tells me that the vin is an issue - rear used unit did not require coding. Can someone help me with how to "teach" the new unit what the vin is.
Please post scan data showing this problem. On a Q7, my guess is that this will be a "Component Protection" fault, which can only be remedied properly with an on-line connection to Audi's corporate server.

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Thanks Uwe! I'm starting to suspect I may have damaged my ECU when I tried to override the compressor. I'm basing this on the fact that code is not going away, and that I'm getting readings on the N280, and when I checked the HVAC measuring block group 002 I got code "12" which means "Compressor OFF: Requested by Engine Control Unit" - my understanding is that HVAC control module sends signal to the ECU and ECU turns the compressor on/off. Pending your thoughts I may take out the ECU and send it in to get the unit inspected/repaired - what are your thoughts on this? Thanks again!

Sunday,13,December,2020,10:54:52:10154
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: NONE
Control Module Part Number: 4L0 910 043 D HW: 4L0 820 043 AP
Component and/or Version: KLIMA 4 ZONEN H15 0070
Software Coding: 0008C026
Work Shop Code: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 25419B622CC6ACAE40-8070
2 Faults Found:

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100101
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 223
Mileage: 120872 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2020.12.12
Time: 11:35:38

02095 - Component Protection Active
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 223
Mileage: 120872 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2020.12.12
Time: 11:35:43

Freeze Frame:
Bin. Bits: 01111
 
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02095 - Component Protection Active
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 223
Mileage: 120872 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2020.12.12
Time: 11:35:43

Freeze Frame:
Bin. Bits: 01111
You need to get Component Protection removed before attempting any fault finding - when CP is active many functions normally done by the HVAC module won't happen.
 
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Thanks PetrolDave but thats the part that I'm stumped on, I'm not sure how to accomplish this, can you offer any advice as to the steps? Thanks!
 
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Thanks PetrolDave but thats the part that I'm stumped on, I'm not sure how to accomplish this, can you offer any advice as to the steps? Thanks!
You cannot remove CP with VCDS, it requires online access to the VAG mothership servers - so it has to be done by either a dealer or an indpendent shop that has access to them.
 
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Also if the module is new you need to run the compressor run in. I was not able to do it with VCDS. Had to do it with ODIS.
 
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Understood and thanks, I'll take it in to dealer to run diag and see if they can remove N280 code. I'm just timid about it because I'm thinking they will come back with "we would like to change the compressor and ensure its operating first" because some of the stories I read detailed that approach by the dealer.
 
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Hi folks, turns out it was HVAC controller that was the issue. Dealer was able to code it and everything works.
 
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