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Hi all!

Long time lurker, first time poster. Struggling to find info on the latest issue i have been trying to work through.

I have a Tiguan 5N 118TSI, 2014 model, and an Audi 1.8TFSI B8 A4 Avant, 2009 model, both Australian spec.

The Audi is not starting at the moment, had a bit of a weird turn yesterday. CDHB engine, with a timing chain, which becomes relevant...

Yesterday, drove fine through the day, went to start late in the afternoon and nothing. Loud clunk from the starter, strong electrical smell from under the bonnet, down toward the starter.

Thought myself, well, the starter is knackered, ah well. But as i looked around, thought maybe the battery had finally failed (I had been told it was on the way out from it's last load test), and that the starter had just had a hot moment as it didn't have enough grunt to start, therefore hung up a bit and got hot.

Replaced battery... Car will still not start.

Will kick in the starter and turn over quite well, and at a decent pace, but will not fire. Almost turns over as if it has no compression, so smooth, very little resistance,( no wub wub wub wub sound) but if a timing chain was to fail i can't imagine it wouldn't be jamming and making a hell of a noise... Seems to almost try to fire every now and then, suggesting spark still ok, but will not maintain fire.
Seems strange that what seemingly started with one issue, now has led into another with diff symptoms. I'm wondering if the power for ignition or fuel control comes through the (now damaged) starter.
Or maybe the high pressure fuel pump had a brain fart and the initial lockup was due to too much fuel in a cylinder?

I'm clutching at straws really, Don't understand....

No real codes that "seem" related. The only one that's consistent is "01206" - Signal for duration of ignition off time.
Not sure if this is a code now preventing the fire of the engine, or a residue DTC from the low voltage state of the battery prior to when it was last running.

A couple of others have popped in and out as I've run output tests or played around, but nothing else consistent.

Running output tests such as testing injectors, running the aft fuel pump and running fuel relay electrics has led to the car, on the next start attempt, to seemingly want to fire, it seems so close, but just wont sustain it...

DOING MY HEAD IN.... Any help appreciated

Have copied in a quick scan from yesterday, Terminal 30 open circuit faults no longer current....

Code:
 Monday,23,November,2020,18:41:43:55879
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4513.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUZZZ8K79Axxxxxx
Mileage: 129110km-80225mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 8K-AU48 (8T0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 07 08 09 0E 10 15 16 17 19 1E 36 37 42 46 47 52
          53 55 56 62 6C 72 77

VIN: WAUZZZ8K79Axxxxxx   Mileage: 129110km-80225miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
07-Control Head -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1E-Media Player 2 -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (------CDHB)       Labels:| 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
   Part No SW: 8K1 907 115 D    HW: 8K1 907 115
   Component: 1.8l R4/4V TF H07 0002
   Revision: A5H07---  
   Coding: 010C000C02070120
   Shop #: WSC 99999 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM18TFS8K1907115D A01003
   ROD: EV_ECM18TFS8K1907115D.rod
   VCID: 2F3B1251A790E803FB9-807A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 0101

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0AW-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 927 155 T    HW: 0AW 927 156 G
   Component: 0AW 18TFSIRdW H01 0004
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number: 0000000286
   Coding: 000002
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMVL381 A01015
   ROD: EV_TCMVL381_A01.rod
   VCID: 44D14DFD1E167B5B36B-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 AC    HW: 8K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP8 front    H04 0060
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 050D00
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7AADF3052CD2FDAB1C7-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 AL    HW: 8K0 907 064 AL
   Component: BCM2 1.1      H71 0134
   Revision: 00002001  
   Coding: 051200
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7AADF3052CD2FDAB1C7-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: ELVAUDIB8  H36 0041
   Serial number: 0208000043677016  

No fault code found.

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Address 07: Control Head        Labels: 8T0-035-7xx-07-H.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 729 P    HW: 4E0 035 729 A
   Component: Interfacebox    H43 5170
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 331HV087527933
   Coding: 0001002
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 46D557F524AA494B28F-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8T0 919 609 C
   Component: E0380 BedienteilH08 0100

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000000539376

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0105.05.100000000100011026ÿ

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 011026ÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:. 8Tx-820-043-3Z.clb
   Part No SW: 8T2 820 043 S    HW: 8T2 820 043 S
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H06 0140
   Revision: D0000000    Serial number: 0105.08.081498
   Coding: 64046000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 42DD4BE50482756B047-8016

1 Fault Found:
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 153
                    Mileage: 129112 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2008.05.27
                    Time: 00:27:29


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 C    HW: 8K0 907 063 C
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H22 0253
   Revision: 04022001    Serial number: 00000000091169
   Coding: 260050914034AF010001000000001D0D001D470800010141000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 2F3B1251A710E803FB9-807A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K2 955 119 A    HW: 8T2 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS 230708  H05 0070
   Serial number: SWFBIE 0005033    
   Coding: 00FD11

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003
   Serial number: 10220954          
   Coding: 025028

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 G    HW: 8K0 941 531 G
   Component: E1 - LDS  H07 0070
   Serial number: 00000000001208081181

4 Faults Found:
01516 - Terminal 30; Left
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 193
                    Mileage: 129112 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2008.05.27
                    Time: 00:46:00

00927 - Terminal 30 (Right)
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 193
                    Mileage: 129112 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2008.05.27
                    Time: 00:46:00

00926 - Terminal 30
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 153
                    Mileage: 129112 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2008.05.27
                    Time: 00:46:00

03123 - Terminal 30 - 2
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 193
                    Mileage: 129112 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2008.05.27
                    Time: 00:46:00


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Address 0E: Media Player 1        Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
   Part No SW: 8T2 035 110 C    HW: 8T2 035 110 C
   Component: MP3-Changer     H44 0390
   Revision: 00044003    Serial number: AUZ5ZBH8537258
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2B0306419F089423D71-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 8K0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 E    HW: 8K0 919 475 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0020
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 52830822006196
   Coding: 300103
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3B233601636804A3471-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 B    HW: 8K0 959 655 B
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H26 0410
   Serial number: 0038JD17B7WF
   Coding: 30373434363030303030554A3052384B3053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 A02007
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_A02.rod
   VCID: 3C21351D66E6039B4EB-8068

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 6334MSME3E12767AN

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
   Serial number: 6344MSME3D46003BE

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
   Serial number: 6352QSME10022500U

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
   Serial number: 6362QSME0E023F34J

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 63732SME1F032E2E7

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
   Serial number: 63832SME01034736O

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H13 0013
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90304HHA000A8
   Coding: 000037
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3D2738197D7C0A93795-8068

   Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0003

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 930 A    HW: 8K0 920 930 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H16 0224
   Revision: 00200000    Serial number: 9DZ353E88   
   Coding: AF06100003000008010000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 2B03064193089423D71-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 K    HW: 8T0 907 468 K
   Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H09 0092
   Revision: EB302042    Serial number: 4200E087298372
   Coding: 000303
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 49CF5CC939B4A633C5D-801C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 B    HW: 8K0 915 181 B
   Component: J367-BDM  H04 0150
   Serial number: 1803758A010808    

No fault code found.

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Address 1E: Media Player 2 (R199)       Labels:. 4E0-035-785.lbl
   Part No SW: 4E0 035 785 F    HW: 4E0 035 785 C
   Component: SG ext.Player H15 0850
   Revision: 00000000  
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 2B03064193089423D71-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels:. 8T0-959-760.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 760     HW: 8K0 959 760
   Component: MEM-FS        H05 0043
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001001111058
   Coding: 00781B00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 77ABEA311FC0E0C3639-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 4E0-910-88x-37.lbl
   Part No SW: 4E0 910 888 E    HW: 4E0 919 887 M
   Component: MNS ECE         H51 1050
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 333HQ087603670
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3039112DB62EF7FBE23-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 B    HW: 8K0 959 793
   Component: TSG FA        H10 0170
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000007577630
   Coding: 011012205E01410001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3FDB4211777018836B9-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 AL    HW: 8K0 907 064 AL
   Component: BCM2 1.1      H71 0134
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0112488109  
   Coding: 01000E2220390495003002
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7AADF3052CD2FDAB1C7-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 A    HW: 8K0 959 591
   Component: J245 PS133  H06 0041

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591     HW: 8K0 959 591
   Component: J394 PS221  H06 0037

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 T    HW: 8T0 035 223 F
   Component: DSP Prem      H14 0400
   Revision: 00H14004    Serial number: 34821000319301
   Coding: 020101
   Shop #: WSC 12336 024 394758
   VCID: 3FDB4211777018836B9-806A

1 Fault Found:
02247 - Subwoofer (R148/R157)
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 153
                    Mileage: 129112 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2008.05.27
                    Time: 00:31:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.10 V
                    Temperature: 45.0°C
                    Temperature: 49.0°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00000100


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 B    HW: 8K0 959 792
   Component: TSG BF        H10 0170
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000007565591
   Coding: 011012205E01410001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3E253F15707A118B60F-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 E    HW: 8K0 907 801 E
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H05 0060
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 10000000079872
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 313F1429B124FEF3EDD-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8K0-907-357.clb
   Part No: 8K0 907 357 B
   Component: Dynamische LWR  H01 0030
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:             
   Coding: 0000004
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   VCID: 34311D3D4236CBDB86B-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 4E0-910-541.lbl
   Part No SW: 4E0 910 541 Q    HW: 4F0 035 541 N
   Component: TUNER EU/US/RDW H42 0620
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 357CV097524950
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 2E050F55AC1AE10BF0F-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795     HW: 8K0 959 795
   Component: TSG HL        H06 0170
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000007589181
   Coding: 010012204001210001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7F5B021137F0D8832B9-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 8T0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 441 B    HW: 4L0 907 441 A
   Component: J772__Rearview      0070
   Revision: --H12---    Serial number: 525PA8-J8890BJ
   Coding: 1022007
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 372B2A31534020C3A39-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-794.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 794     HW: 8K0 959 795
   Component: TSG HR        H06 0170
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000007579285
   Coding: 010012204001210001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7EA5FF1530FAD18B20F-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 4E0-910-336.lbl
   Part No SW: 4E0 910 336 M    HW: 4E0 862 335
   Component: Handyvorb2      H20 1130
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005244568
   Coding: 0010990
   Shop #: WSC 63982 001 1048576
   VCID: 2C01055D9A06931BDEB-8078

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:50, VBatt start/end: 12.1V/12.1V)-----------

Cheers,
Lee
 
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Almost turns over as if it has no compression, so smooth, very little resistance,( no wub wub wub wub sound) but if a timing chain was to fail i can't imagine it wouldn't be jamming and making a hell of a noise...
That's a mechanical problem of some sort. I once had a timing belt on an older VW engine skip a few teeth (long story) and it acted like that. Time to do whatever it takes to check the mechanical timing of this engine. With only 80,000 miles, the timing chain itself shouldn't be failed, but perhaps the tensioner?

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Oooooh Bugger....

This morning went for a better look to test that exact theory. Top end isn't spinning over, it's a silent broken chain it seems....

Can't wait to see what the parts prices for that are in Australia haha! Will look like a phone number I would guess!

Thanks for the input, will keep you updated as i go
 
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Top end isn't spinning over, it's a silent broken chain it seems....
Given the lack of clearance in modern high compression engines that will likely mean valve and possible head damage as the pistons will probably have hit some valves.

A few years ago when I owned a GM vehicle the tensioner broke and 12 of the 16 valves got hit by pistons which bent the valves and damaged the valve seals.
 
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Yep, doomed as soon as the first start was tried, only got worse from there... Chain is intact, but obviously skipping, tensioner knackered. Has bent a heap of valves and belted a metric shitload of damage into the top of the pistons. Time for a new engine...
 
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