No start and cooling fan on high when don't start

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have a Jetta 2.5 might start and run for about a minute or less than cuts off and will not restart. when this happens cooling fan runs.scan and see have no communication with the ECM
might have to sit for a day before will start again .. do these know for bad ECM shutting communication down.all power and grounds should be good if it will crank and run for a while until what is short out can lines.

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Thursday,22,October,2020,13:08:26:48017
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 20.4.1.0
Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: Flowers Automotive
Workshop Code: 000 00001 000000

VIN: 3VWDP7AJ3CM470874   License Plate:



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Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (6N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 56 77

VIN: 3VWDP7AJ3CM470874  

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 1110
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 1010
77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010

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Address 01: Engine
Cannot be reached

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 09G 927 750 LF    HW: 09G 927 750 LF
   Component: AQ 250 6F           2246 
   Revision: 00H97000    Serial number:              
   Coding: 0000840
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 8005C140D3B812868B-80D4

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 44
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BL    HW: 1K0 907 379 BL
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152 
   Revision: 00H31001   
   Coding: B14B400C492908FA8D1302EB921D1061A71000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: FDFBB8B4644A7F6EE0-80A8

4 Faults Found:
02846 - Button for Tire Pressure Monitoring Display (E492)
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 91
                    Mileage: 65802 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2027.14.02
                    Time: 04:13:17

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 16391
                    Count: 12
                    Count: 16896
                    Count: 157
                    Count: 41216
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 512
                    Count: 0

01314 - Engine Control Module
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 91
                    Mileage: 65801 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2027.14.02
                    Time: 03:59:21

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 32768
                    Count: 12288
                    Count: 8193
                    Count: 45314
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 249
                    Count: 0

02757 - Learning Tire Pressures
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 104
                    Mileage: 34728 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2044.14.19
                    Time: 13:58:21

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 12
                    Count: 12288
                    Count: 16399
                    Count: 35072
                    Count: 62465
                    Count: 252
                    Count: 0

01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 51
                    Mileage: 65785 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.14.31
                    Time: 08:54:44

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 12
                    Count: 4608
                    Count: 8194
                    Count: 39168
                    Count: 1
                    Count: 508
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 5C0-820-047.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 820 047 AQ    HW: 5C0 820 047 AQ
   Component: J301  Klimaanlage   0203 
   Revision: 2001010S    Serial number: 00000001011834
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: EFE792FCFE261DFE62-80BA

3 Faults Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 78
                    Mileage: 65490 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.14.23
                    Time: 08:17:28

01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 20
                    Reset counter: 51
                    Mileage: 65785 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.14.31
                    Time: 08:55:01

16372 - Control Module; Unspecified Internal Error
            014 - Defective
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101110
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 167 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.14.01
                    Time: 00:00:10


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 937 087 E    HW: 5C0 937 087 A
   Component: BCM25 JLB H3  H66 0256 
   Revision: B2066001    Serial number: 04371158120439
   Coding: 7B994B9A08AB0B0008382000240884C500C2502E60000000300000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: AF6752FCFEA65DFE22-80FA

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AF    HW: 6R0 959 801 AF  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  004 3464
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AF    HW: 6R0 959 802 AF  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  004 3464
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ    HW: 5K0 959 591
   Component: J245 PS41.022  H10 0007
   Serial number:     WRH0005785     
   Coding: 180000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 A    HW: 5K0 959 542 A
   Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H09 0013
   Serial number: 0288155            
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 H    HW: 6R0 959 811 H
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  004 3464
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 800000

2 Faults Found:
03303 - Response Closing Status of Rear Left Door
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 65102 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.14.11
                    Time: 14:04:49

01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389)
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 22
                    Mileage: 167 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.14.01
                    Time: 00:00:04


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 E    HW: 5C0 959 655 E
   Component: AirbagVW10G   014 0808 
   Serial number: 003GTM06L4Y6 
   Coding: 00003936
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01023
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
   VCID: B46D5D901F807E265F-80E0

   Seat occupied recognition:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5C6 959 339 A    HW: 5C6 959 339 A
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H10 0045
   Serial number: 6940000Y120000FSE10S
   Coding: 303036

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H01 ----
   Serial number: 3572MSME3323236EZZZT

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H01 ----
   Serial number: 3582MSME2F11216FZZZ.

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3516KSME290E521BZZZX

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3526KSME0A692E1BZZZ0

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3556LSME1C6A0518ZZZ.

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Beif  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3566LSME135A6417ZZZW

11 Faults Found:
9440027 - Driver's side; side-airbag igniter
          B100B 1B [136] - Resistance Too High
          MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 166 km
                    Date: 2011.14.22
                    Time: 19:02:56

9439771 - Front Passenger's Side Airbag Igniter
          B100A 1B [137] - Resistance Too High
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 149 km
                    Date: 2003.14.00
                    Time: 15:13:47

9438235 - Igniter for Front passenger's Head Curtain Airbag
          B1004 1B [137] - Resistance Too High
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 149 km
                    Date: 2003.14.00
                    Time: 15:13:47

9438747 - Igniter for Seat Belt Tensioner; Driver's Side
          B1006 1B [137] - Resistance Too High
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 149 km
                    Date: 2003.14.00
                    Time: 15:13:47

9439003 - Igniter for Seat Belt Tensioner; Passenger's Side
          B1007 1B [137] - Resistance Too High
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 149 km
                    Date: 2003.14.00
                    Time: 15:13:47

9442075 - Driver's Belt Force Limiter Igniter
          B1013 1B [137] - Resistance Too High
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 201 km
                    Date: 2012.14.12
                    Time: 00:33:55

9442331 - Passenger's Belt Force Limiter Igniter
          B1014 1B [137] - Resistance Too High
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Mileage: 166 km
                    Date: 2011.14.22
                    Time: 19:02:56

9443605 - Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on front passenger's side)
          B1019 15 [136] - Open or Short to Plus
          MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 166 km
                    Date: 2011.14.30
                    Time: 18:50:03

9444885 - Driver's seat position sensor
          B101E 15 [136] - Open or Short to Plus
          MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 166 km
                    Date: 2011.14.22
                    Time: 18:49:25

9445141 - Passenger's seat position sensor
          B101F 15 [136] - Open or Short to Plus
          MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 166 km
                    Date: 2011.14.22
                    Time: 18:49:25

9450752 - Crash data stored; passenger side
          B1035 00 [137] - -
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 149 km
                    Date: 2003.14.00
                    Time: 15:13:42


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Address 17: Instruments
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 5C0 937 087 A
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H66 0256 
   Revision: B2066001   
   Coding: 102200
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: F0E59180231802067B-80A4

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 49
                    Reset counter: 51
                    Mileage: 65785 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.14.31
                    Time: 08:54:44

01304 - Radio
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 57289 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.14.25
                    Time: 17:15:52


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H04 0604 
   Serial number:              
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW31.rod
   VCID: EAD183E80DC4F8D635-80BE

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 E    HW: 5N0 035 342 E
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0240 
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7662364175   
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: A953BCE4C04233CEFC-80FC

1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 AE    HW: 1K0 035 180 AE
   Component: Radio Prem-8  H02 0016 
   Revision: -----16S    Serial number: VWZ4Z7M3313132
   Coding: 01000400020006
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: E3CFEECCE2EEA99EF6-80B6

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 25
                    Reset counter: 51
                    Mileage: 149 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.14.03
                    Time: 16:16:06


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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 730 E    HW: 5K0 035 730 E
   Component: TELEFON       H09 2902 
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007662489289
   Coding: 0A10040000010110
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA A01719
   ROD: UHVNA.rod
   VCID: A757BADCDE5605BEEA-80F2

1 Fault Found:
0022 - Radio
          U1066 00 [008] - No Communication
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 57289 km
                    Date: 2083.14.27
                    Time: 18:23:39


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Semi canned response here... any give control module to talk, must have Holy Trinity:



Verify powers/grounds/data are good. What I suspect might be happening is the ECM Power Supply Relay (J271) is the root issue... could be a bad relay itself, of the control of the relay.

The J271 powers up several different fuses in the SB fuse block, including SB2 which powers up the ECM itself.

Next time the issue happens, pull out the J271 relay and wrap some wire around the 2 large fat lets of it to short them together, then put back into socket... then see if ECM talks.

As for the coolant fan, this is normal. The coolant fans use a data signal from the ECM to operate at [X] speed. If there is no signal from the ECM, the fan module fails to high speed fans because you can't overcool the engine. So don't worry about the fans, they are doing what they are designed to do with no ECM signal.
 
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Adding to Jef's suggestions, this page contains photos of a Red/Black traced power wire that corroded with regularity:


Scratch that. I thought this was a Mk5 rather than a 6. That exact terminal/wire may not apply so check your wiring diagrams rather than using the Wiki reference.
 
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...... yeah, I was thinking the same thing until I saw this was a 2012. That was the 2007 Jetta with the salt water injection 330mm down the wire from the ECM.... :)
 
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Ok here what i came up with check powers and grounds at ECM all ok, check can wire T94/67 orange/brown(low) = 2.5v
can line T94/68 ORANGE/BLACK(high) = 11.0 VOLTS.so no i guess track down why is there 11 volts on can high.is there an easy way to divide
 
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Hmm, shorted Powertrain CAN issues aren't common on this body. Shorted/malfunctioning Comfort CAN isn't unheard of when natural problems exist in the doors but based on the faults it looks like this is a crash repair. Are all of those Igniters with fault codes blown currently? Are there any seats in the car? Can you tell where the direct damage occurred?

I suspect that history may lead you directly to the cause of this problem. If not, I would start by unplugging all unnecessary PT CAN modules from the car to see if the Engine communication or 11V reading changes. I would start with the Airbag controller (due to the crash-like DTCs) followed by the TCM if necessary. Eliminating 01, 09, 17, etc will cause communication/Immo problems so unplugging those would be my last resort.
 
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??? So powertrain CAN is all the same... I would expect TCM and ABS module to also be dead as well if there is 11V across one of the Bus lines.
 
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You right go back and I was on t94/70, not t94/68.So double-check again this morning to make sure on right pins 67 and 68 have the correct voltage . I also unplug the airbag module and left it unplugged.it crank and ran one time this morning when it was cold.so I have made sure I have powers and grounds ad no voltage drop hate to pull the trigger and say it needs a computer any other thoughts thanks.
 
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J271 relay and its wiring?
 
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