How to emergency Regen while sitting

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Hello all, I have a 2012 tdi jetta and i am using the hex net system. I have tried to put my car in a regeneration cycle while sitting using the 27971 code. Once i put that in it wants me to do some sort of peddle combination to initiate the process and i can not figure out the combination for the life of me. Any help would be great. Thanks
 
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Code:
VCDS Version: Release 14.10.1 (x64)
Data version: 20150130

Saturday,28,February,2015,20:01:02:13775

Chassis Type: AJ (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 44 47 56 77

VIN: 3VW3L7AJ2CM457587   Mileage: 104870km-65163miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CJA)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 019 EH    HW: 03L 907 309 AA
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG  3523  
   Revision: 12H14---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0050072
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: F5A2ABE49CF47989CD6-80A0

1 Fault Found:
009315 - Diesel Particle Filter 
               P2463 - 000 - Excessive Soot Accumulation - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 104860 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.02.28
                    Time: 19:35:46

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2346 /min
                    Speed: 92.0 km/h
                    Pressure: 79 mbar
                    Hex Value: 0xFF01
                    Temperature: 192.0*C
                    (no units): 260.1
                    Mileage: 2550 km

Readiness: 1 1 0 0 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BL    HW: 1K0 907 379 BL
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: B14B400C492700018D1002EC92200042A71000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: FDB2B3C464C421C9856-80A8

1 Fault Found:
01325 - Control Module for Tire Pressure Monitoring (J502) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 21
                    Mileage: 104211 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.02.24
                    Time: 00:00:53

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 12800
                    Count: 16390
                    Count: 52224
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 253
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 5C0-820-047.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 820 047 AQ    HW: 5C0 820 047 AQ
   Component: J301  Klimaanlage   0203  
   Revision: 2001010S    Serial number: 00000000917255
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: EFAE998CFEA8435907A-80BA

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 937 087 E    HW: 5C0 937 087 A
   Component: BCM25 JLB H3  H66 0256  
   Revision: B2066001    Serial number: 04371110121185
   Coding: 7B994B9A08AB0B0008382000240884C50082502E60000000300000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: AF2E598CFE28035947A-80FA

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AF    HW: 6R0 959 801 AF  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  004 3464 
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AF    HW: 6R0 959 802 AF  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  004 3464 
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 591     HW: 5K0 959 591 
   Component: J245 PS41.022  H09 0007 
   Coding: 180000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 A    HW: 5K0 959 542 A
   Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H09 0013 
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 H    HW: 6R0 959 811 H
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  004 3464 
   Coding: 800000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 H    HW: 6R0 959 812 H
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  004 3464 
   Coding: 800000

1 Fault Found:
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 19
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 E    HW: 5C0 959 655 E
   Component: AirbagVW10G   014 0808  
   Serial number: 003GTM05H2HP  
   Coding: 00003936
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01023
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360_SK35.rod
   VCID: B42456E01F0E20813A8-80E1

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5C6 959 339 A    HW: 5C6 959 339 A
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H10 0045 
   Serial number: 6940000Y120000DEJ30J
   Coding: 303036

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H01 ---- 
   Serial number: 3572MSME5A24606AZZZ-

   Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H01 ---- 
   Serial number: 3582MSME5B41356CZZZ+

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3516KSME705D2118ZZZQ

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3526KSME1B1C4B18ZZZ$

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3556LSME14266717ZZZS

   Crash sensor for front airbag; front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Beif  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3566LSME1C195D17ZZZ1

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5C6 920 951 A    HW: 5C6 920 951 A
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0604  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 270A01
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00118
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04114
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK35.rod
   VCID: A91AB794C8CC6D6999E-80FC

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 5C0 937 087 A
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H66 0256  
   Revision: B2066001    
   Coding: 102200
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: F0AC9AF023965CA11E0-80A5

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0604  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE25.rod
   VCID: EA9888980D4AA671504-80BF

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 E    HW: 5N0 035 342 E
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0240  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7661922437    
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: A91AB794C0CC6D6999E-80FC

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     3305  
   Revision: 00H22000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: B73E61ECC678CB991FA-80E2

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5C6 035 456     HW: 5C6 035 456 
   Component: KonzernAmp10K H07 0468  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EAA083A0015924
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3 S01001
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3.rod
   VCID: E582FBA4E45489097D6-80B0

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 AE    HW: 1K0 035 180 AE
   Component: Radio Prem-8  H02 0016  
   Revision: -----16S    Serial number: VWZ4Z7M3285691
   Coding: 01020000010006
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: E386E5BCE260F739932-80B6

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 13236 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.02.03
                    Time: 08:01:53


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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 730 E    HW: 5K0 035 730 E
   Component: TELEFON       H09 2902  
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007662015916
   Coding: 0A10040000010110
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA A01719
   ROD: EV_UHVNA.rod
   VCID: A71EB1ACDED85B198FA-80F2

No fault code found.

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This is my auto scan. I have tried to use the brake and gas but it does not tell me how long to hold each one or just to press each one. I have tried both and it doesnt start anything. I think my calculated soot level may be to high to allow the regen. Calculated soot is at 50.1 and Measured soot level is at 22.8. Thanks
 
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If soot level is too high it will not allow a regen to prevent a fire.

Drive the car in a lower gear and raise the RPM for the next couple of days.

This way it will burn the ash and the air flowing by will cool the cat by convection.

Add Lubromoly diesel hi-test and purge to the tank.
Sometimes I run a cup of gasoline per tank in winter.

Consider changing oil more often with SAE oil and changing air filter more frequently to prevent blow by that causes soot pile up.

Run the oil level on low side of stick.
 
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Does my soot level seem to high?
 
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I'm on the road this weekend and don't have numbers handy, but my fuzzy brain thinks it remembers the threshold of "too high" being in the 40s. If that's correct, your calculated value is too high, but measured is not. I also have the notion that people have had better luck with the driving regen than the standing one.
 
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I'm on the road this weekend and don't have numbers handy, but my fuzzy brain thinks it remembers the threshold of "too high" being in the 40s. If that's correct, your calculated value is too high, but measured is not. I also have the notion that people have had better luck with the driving regen than the standing one.
Is there any way to trick the ecu that will allow me to for a regen? O thought I seen somewhere you can enter in a value somewhere or a drop down box that tells it you installed a new dpf filter
 
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45g is the limit for soot, and I am pretty sure the computer treats the problem as greater of [calculated, measured]

so the computer will not let you start a DPF regeneration cycle, nor will it start one.

your choices are to remove the DPF, and have it cleaned, (http://www.dpfregeneration.com/ for example), or replace with new.



You also could lie to the computer so it thinks you have replaced the DPF, and are starting over.

this would reset the calculated soot, and the measured soot would call for a regen (or you could initiate one if you don't want to wait)

the danger, of course, with this, is you would be second guessing the VW engineers who think the risk of fire or of destroying the DPF is too great to run a regeneration on the car with over 45g f soot in the DPF.

you can google up "vw tdi dpf regeneration with too much soot" or such to gather a few hints.

If it was me, I would replace or have it cleaned.

how did it get so much soot in the first place? what was the problem?
 
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If soot level is too high it will not allow a regen to prevent a fire.

Drive the car in a lower gear and raise the RPM for the next couple of days.

This way it will burn the ash and the air flowing by will cool the cat by convection.

Add Lubromoly diesel hi-test and purge to the tank.
Sometimes I run a cup of gasoline per tank in winter.

Consider changing oil more often with SAE oil and changing air filter more frequently to prevent blow by that causes soot pile up.

Run the oil level on low side of stick.


VW is pretty clear on not putting anygasoline in a common rail diesel.
 
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45g is the limit for soot, and I am pretty sure the computer treats the problem as greater of [calculated, measured]

so the computer will not let you start a DPF regeneration cycle, nor will it start one.

your choices are to remove the DPF, and have it cleaned, (http://www.dpfregeneration.com/ for example), or replace with new.



You also could lie to the computer so it thinks you have replaced the DPF, and are starting over.

this would reset the calculated soot, and the measured soot would call for a regen (or you could initiate one if you don't want to wait)

the danger, of course, with this, is you would be second guessing the VW engineers who think the risk of fire or of destroying the DPF is too great to run a regeneration on the car with over 45g f soot in the DPF.

you can google up "vw tdi dpf regeneration with too much soot" or such to gather a few hints.

If it was me, I would replace or have it cleaned.

how did it get so much soot in the first place? what was the problem?
Im on the fence about tricking the ecu. I wanted to save the effort of pulling the filter but i think thats going to be the best way, i have already picked up the dpf gaskets from the dealer, just need to start turning wrenches. Has anyone had any luck cleaning the filter on their own? How long does it take to pull one with proper tools and a lift?
 
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VW is pretty clear on not putting anygasoline in a common rail diesel.
I am aware of what VW states mikeme.

Experience with my own research + use of gasoline/kerosene blends to fuels brings a part solution.

In the old days the cars ran up to one gallon permissible by the repair manual and I ran a couple gallons with no issue.
Now the tolerances are much more strict due to knock sensors looking for that special ping spot.

The difference is knowing what levels are permissible and nowadays people are just uneducated.

I don't say things I haven't verified for many miles/years........... by just shooting my mouth off.

I think tricking the regen is a bad way to do this and would rather do a chemical clean myself.

Magical Chemicals:

Really is amazing what foaming oven cleaner will do post turbo charger injected with hand spray bottle........... then a garden hose rinse into a bucket out the tail pipe...... with a rag to collect all the ash ( to remediate )..........Air dry that shit and go drive.

I like taking the flapper out after the cat for a manual cleaning/lube and put the bucket there while car is on Jack stands.
 
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I use BG 244 and 248 for diesel fuel on regular basis with good results. I have customer that regularly drives in hot / cold climate (Florida / Colorado / New York) and never had a fuel related problem. I also have to mention this car (2001 Jetta) has well over 700,000 miles. So, not a new car.

Br, Andy
 
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Oh yeah we run them............the AHU/ALH is much more forgiving and will run on many things concentrated/diluted forever.
This in my opinion is the ICON of TDI reliability.

I have seen TDI's of this series break 1 million K and not ever need a head gasket!
 
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Oh yeah we run them............the AHU/ALH is much more forgiving and will run on many things concentrated/diluted forever. This in my opinion is the ICON of TDI reliability.
I have seen TDI's of this series break 1 million K and not ever need a head gasket!
Yes, I recently did valve cover on this ALH AND the cam looked like new. We are using QUARTZ INEO MC3 5W40 oil and BG MOA Oil Additive with Mann / Mahle oil filters.

Andy
 
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Been using the BG stuff for like 25 years already and many of there products are very good.
I particularly like the MGC stuff for gears and asked them to make a similar additive for engine oil...... for chains in later vw's.

I also like Castel and Kano labs in TN for the Kroil, Kreen, and Gearope lines.
 
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What is 50.1 , oil ash or soot?

There will be oil ah,calculated soot,measuring soot.
Soot. Measured I think. I posted it earlier when I had the numbers in front of me
 
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You need new DPF. It is over limit.Limit is 45 and that why you can not do regeneration.
It is probably use wrong oil with lot of idling and cause this.
I have many customers with miles likes yours (105k) and soot level is around 20. I have seen cars with 150K with soot around 25. So I can tell you 100% that car was using wrong old .
 
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