TPMS retrofit on B6 Passat - implausible data and fault codes

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Bear with me while I set out the background to auto-scan below.

Have been running the direct TPMS fine until one of the values disappeared. I replaced the TPMS module which fixed it, until intermittent flat tyre warnings and then all four signals disappeared. Only fault code was C111A 31 [009] - No Signal and when I checked the measuring blocks three of the four sensors were sending implausible data (80 psi). Given I thought it unlikely that three of the four sensors had failed I ordered a new module, got the software flashed, parameters loaded and tested on another B6 that has the same retrofit. Plugged in the new module, warning light and fault codes were gone, until the car was driven. Now I have an additional fault code (internal system fault) and now two sensors (3 and 4) are sending crazy data - 370psi and 127 degrees celsius!

I can't got back to a direct TPMS as my CCM is 3AA so I need to figure out what's causing these issues given the module is not the issues.

Thanks

Jono

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Monday,07,September,2020,19:21:10:17021
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4513.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
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VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE030468   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 3C-VW46 (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 36 3C 42 44 46 47 52 53
          55 62 65 6D 72

VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE030468   Mileage: 133270km-82810miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (BWS)       Labels: 03H-906-032-BLV.clb
   Part No SW: 03H 906 032 FR    HW: 03H 906 032 AB
   Component: CC3.6-FSI-7MH   G   4854  
   Revision: 5GH04---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0000175
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 77ABEE3D33C96363639-8022

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 012 E    HW: 02E 927 770 AJ
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     440 1905  
   Revision: 04844002    Serial number: 00000906061395
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 127DBFA9386BA64BF47-8046

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels:. 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 AF    HW: 3C0 614 109 AF
   Component: J104    C4 440 V2   0015  
   Revision: --025---    Serial number: 00000795392275
   Coding: 0001443
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 629DAF69884B96CB247-8036

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3C0-907-044.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 044 EB    HW: 3C0 907 044 EB
   Component: ClimatronicPQ46 133 1010  
   Revision: 00133026    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6597B4759965E1F3C15-8030

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000003221884
   Coding: E68C8F0F40041A00470A00000F000000000B59435C400100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 05124 123 12345
   VCID: 33331A2D67314F439F1-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C2 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 110709 022  0601  
   Coding: 00046997
   Shop #: WSC 05124  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS     040809 054  0402  
   Coding: 00471277
   Shop #: WSC 05124  

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 3C8-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 919 475 A    HW: 3C8 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H07 0009  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 08740920400943
   Coding: 100102
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 323D1F29942B464B947-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 T    HW: 5N0 959 655 T
   Component: J234__007 VW10 HI   2118  
   Revision: 25018000    Serial number: 003LDP2K9X52  
   Coding: 0012343
   Shop #: WSC 00280 959 94420
   VCID: 4EC56BD9ECD302AB90F-801A

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MTS635521849 

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MTS690121899 

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS6ADF1V8KR 

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS6J2QLV8KR 

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW25.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 AJ    HW: 3C0 953 549 AJ
   Component: J0527               0030  
   Revision: 00032000    Serial number: 3C9953507CN   
   Coding: 0001812
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 74B1D93122BF087B46B-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K0 959 542   Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAS   H08 0010  
   Coding: 00000131
   Shop #: WSC 00000  

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 3C8 920 881     HW: 3C8 920 881 
   Component: KOMBI         H02 1109  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 110F210000
   Shop #: WSC 35942 002 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05733
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW31.rod
   VCID: 6A8DC7497CFBCE8BEC7-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 BL    HW: 7N0 907 530 AJ
   Component: J533  Gateway H51 1682  
   Revision:   H51       Serial number: 15111300F12923
   Coding: 462007
   Shop #: WSC 19460 666 12345
   VCID: 7BA3F20D03E14703071-802E

2 Faults Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 133233 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.09.07
                    Time: 07:43:00

03175 - Invalid Data Set 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 194
                    Mileage: 133233 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.09.05
                    Time: 16:16:31


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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 0BS 907 554 A    HW: 0BS 907 554 A
   Component: Haldex 4Motion      4013  
   Coding: 0000005
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 44D149F1329FF8FB36B-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 959 433 B    HW: 3AA 959 433 B
   Component:    IMMO         052 0407  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 38292D017E57AC1BAA3-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 G
   Component:    ELV          027 0380
   3C0905861G     ELV          027 0380   

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: 3C0-959-760.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 760 E    HW: 3C0 959 760 E
   Component: Sitzverstellung     1101  
   Revision: 00005000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2F3B165D8B196BA3FB9-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3AA 907 566 C    HW: 4G0 907 566 
   Component: J769  SWA MasterH02 0010  
   Revision: 00H02000    Serial number: 6PZ 010 316-09
   Coding: 0001173
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 392F2805455DB51355D-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3AA 907 568 C
   Component: J0770_SWA_Slave_H02 0010

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6PZ 010 316-29

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 5F29.10.1300H02000AMS15346ÿ

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: S15346ÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 959 701 A    HW: 3C0 959 793 C
   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0534  
   Revision: 12110009    Serial number: 0007678305
   Coding: 0017B7
   Shop #: WSC 05311 115 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X_VW32.rod
   VCID: 3537243565C55173B15-8060

   Slave Driver: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AB    HW: 1K0 959 794 L
   Component: J389__TSG-HR  004 0307 
   Serial number: 00000001002999      
   Coding: 000090

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 H
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 143    2901  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 2F3B165D8B196BA3FB9-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 959 433 B    HW: 3AA 959 433 B
   Component:    KSG PQ47 ELV 052 0645  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 18900A00D1034E7F6C0295157008DFCE607801
   Shop #: WSC 00046 123 12345
   VCID: 38292D017E57AC1BAA3-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
   Component: Neigungssensor  004 0611

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
   Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 456     HW: 5K0 035 456 
   Component: KonzernAmp 8K H06 0340  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: BP218198610877
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst8KanalBNO2 A01003
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst8KanalBNO2.rod
   VCID: 678BBE7D6FE9F3E3F39-8032

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 959 702 A    HW: 3C0 959 792 C
   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0534  
   Revision: 14110009    Serial number: 0007707005
   Coding: 0017B6
   Shop #: WSC 05311 115 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X_VW32.rod
   VCID: 3635233978C35A6BB8F-8062

   Slave Passenger: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AB    HW: 1K0 959 795 L
   Component: J388__TSG-HL  004 0307 
   Serial number: 00000000997232      
   Coding: 000090

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 C    HW: 3C8 907 801 C
   Component: J540 EPB3  VW-13618 0005  
   Revision:   010       Serial number: 00000000059064
   Coding: 0000057
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 2A0D0749B0FB0E8B2C7-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.lbl
   Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C
   Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0142  
   Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 2344385
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 34311931623F487B86B-8060

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0004  
   Coding: 00000035

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0004  
   Coding: 00000035

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: 3AA-907-273.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 907 273 F    HW: 5Q0 907 273 
   Component: RDKBERU30     H04 0011  
   Serial number: 30000000333907
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RDKBERU30 005005
   ROD: EV_RDKBERU30_005.rod
   VCID: 372B2E3D7FC9A363A39-8062

2 Faults Found:
8398081 - Tire Pressure Sensor(s) 
          C111A 04 [009] - Internal System Fault
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 196
                    Mileage: 133279 km
                    Date: 2020.09.07
                    Time: 19:19:39

                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Outside air temperature: 15.5 °C
                    Sensor identification number (sensor ID): 4029056619
                    CURRENT pressure: 5.4 bar
                    CURRENT temperature: 127 °C

8398082 - Tire Pressure Sensor(s) 
          C111A 31 [009] - No Signal
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 194
                    Mileage: 133238 km
                    Date: 2020.09.07
                    Time: 07:48:41

                    Vehicle speed: 72 km/h
                    Outside air temperature: 7.0 °C
                    Reception level antenna 1: 640 mV
                    Offset level antenna 1: 280 mV


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Address 6D: Trunk Elect.        Labels: 3C9-827-383.clb
   Part No SW: 3C9 827 383 G    HW: 3C9 827 383 G
   Component: J605  HECKDECKEL    0730  
   Revision: 00H27001    
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 3537243569455173B15-8060

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C9 827 384 G
   Component: J756  HECKDECKEL    0730

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 0900H27001001C0075ÿ

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:44, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.8V. VIgn 11.8V)-----
 
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How old are the sensors?

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I'm guessing the next step is to replace the sensors? Could there be some sort of interference?
 
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Batteries inside the sensors dont last forever.
 
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VAG quote approx 5 years, those in my B7 RS4 lasted 9 years and 80,000 miles.
Like starter batteries, it's hard to predict how exactly long they'll last. Our Touareg was built 2014-11 and is coming up on 60,000 miles. No issues with the sensors at this time, but the next time it needs tires (probably between 70,000 and 80,000 miles), it will get new sensors because it's trivial to do when you're changing the tires, and a PITA if they fail after a tire change.

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Wouldn't a sensor with a flat battery send no data at all?

I've done two identical tests this evening, one with the old module, which I thought was stuffed, and one with the new module, which I know works in another vehicle. Plugged in the old one and the fault codes that were there before were gone :confused:

I logged the following data from the old module:
Code:
IDE03529-IDE03525   Last received tire pressure sensor in reception range-Sensor identification number (sensor ID) 4029056619
  IDE03529-MAS02818   Last received tire pressure sensor in reception range-CURRENT pressure 2.5 bar
  IDE03529-MAS02819   Last received tire pressure sensor in reception range-CURRENT temperature 15 °C
  IDE06105-MAS02818   Tire pressure sensor 01-CURRENT pressure 2.6 bar
  IDE06105-MAS02819   Tire pressure sensor 01-CURRENT temperature 13 °C
  IDE06106-MAS02818   Tire pressure sensor 02-CURRENT pressure 5.4 bar
  IDE06106-MAS02819   Tire pressure sensor 02-CURRENT temperature 127 °C
  IDE06107-MAS02818   Tire pressure sensor 03-CURRENT pressure 5.4 bar
  IDE06107-MAS02819   Tire pressure sensor 03-CURRENT temperature 127 °C
  IDE06108-MAS02818   Tire pressure sensor 04-CURRENT pressure 5.4 bar
  IDE06108-MAS02819   Tire pressure sensor 04-CURRENT temperature 127 °C
Went for a drive but no data came up on my display, however no fault codes were triggered.

I then plugged in the new module which immediately threw the same fault codes as above. I logged the following data from the new module:

Code:
  IDE03529-IDE03525   Last received tire pressure sensor in reception range-Sensor identification number (sensor ID) 4028685599
  IDE03529-MAS02818   Last received tire pressure sensor in reception range-CURRENT pressure 2.6 bar
  IDE03529-MAS02819   Last received tire pressure sensor in reception range-CURRENT temperature 17 °C
  IDE06105-MAS02818   Tire pressure sensor 01-CURRENT pressure 3.0 bar
  IDE06105-MAS02819   Tire pressure sensor 01-CURRENT temperature 17 °C
  IDE06106-MAS02818   Tire pressure sensor 02-CURRENT pressure 2.6 bar
  IDE06106-MAS02819   Tire pressure sensor 02-CURRENT temperature 17 °C
  IDE06107-MAS02818   Tire pressure sensor 03-CURRENT pressure 25.5 bar
  IDE06107-MAS02819   Tire pressure sensor 03-CURRENT temperature 127 °C
  IDE06108-MAS02818   Tire pressure sensor 04-CURRENT pressure 25.5 bar
  IDE06108-MAS02819   Tire pressure sensor 04-CURRENT temperature 127 °C
So the old module had implausible data on sensors 2,3 and 4, but no fault codes and the new module had implausible data (albeit slightly different) on sensors 3 and 4.

I'm thinking my only option is to replace the sensors, but I thought I would provide this quirky data given it has me beat
 
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