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Anyone who knows what exactly K210: Driving range acceptance warning lamp in E473: Transfer box operating unit, four-wheel is?
 
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Anyone in the mood for helping me check if there is anything to be found in this, please?
1st. pic: car started in high gear, gearbox in paking mode, engine idling, no DTC's or warnings, except for the high gear selection light on E473 not illuminated
1st. pic
2nd. pic: engine still idling, shifted E473 to low gear, gearbox in back in parking mode after shifting to neutral: everything ok, no DTC's and low gear selection light on E473 illuminated
2nd. pic
3rd. pic: engine still idling, shifted E473 back to high gear, gearbox back in parking mode after shifting to neutral: DTC 02039/008 in address 22 AWD, workshop warning on dash and all lights exept high gear selection blinking on E473
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Anyone in the mood for helping me check if there is anything to be found in this, please?
1st. pic: car started in high gear, gearbox in paking mode, engine idling, no DTC's or warnings, except for the high gear selection light on E473 not illuminated
1st. pic
2nd. pic: engine still idling, shifted E473 to low gear, gearbox in back in parking mode after shifting to neutral: everything ok, no DTC's and low gear selection light on E473 illuminated
2nd. pic
3rd. pic: engine still idling, shifted E473 back to high gear, gearbox back in parking mode after shifting to neutral: DTC 02039/008 in address 22 AWD, workshop warning on dash and all lights exept high gear selection blinking on E473
3rd. pic
A revision of the above post, making it more complete (hopefully o_O)
1st. pic: engine started with TC in high gear, gearbox in paking mode, engine idling, no DTC's or warnings, except for the high gear selection light on E473 not being illuminated
Picture 1
2nd. pic: engine still idling, shifted E473 to low gear, gearbox in back in parking mode after shifting to neutral: everything ok, no DTC's and low gear selection light on E473 illuminated
Picture 2
3rd. pic; engine still idling, shifted E473 to low gear center lock, gearbox back in parking mode after shifting to neutral: everything ok, no DTC's and center lock selection light on E473 illuminated
Picture 3
4rth. pic: engine still idling, shifted E473 back to high gear, gearbox back in parking mode after shifting to neutral: DTC 02039/008 in address 22 AWD, workshop warning on dash and all lights exept high gear selection blinking on E473
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@Patman since these transfer cases were only used on 7L Touaregs, and due to the lack of responses here, it would seem that nobody here is familiar with them, have you tried asking about these issues on a Touareg-specific forum? For example, Club Touareg?

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Yeah, at 139 €, one might speculate that this is a Chinese Replacement Auto Part?
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Correct :o
Allthough it did fix the drivetrain binding, replacing it with electronical problems LOL
 
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@Patman since these transfer cases were only used on 7L Touaregs, and due to the lack of responses here, it would seem that nobody here is familiar with them, have you tried asking about these issues on a Touareg-specific forum? For example, Club Touareg?

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Thx. 4 the feedback and yes, i did: https://www.clubtouareg.com/threads/transfer-case-sensors.293407/#post-2094289
Without much luck allthough over there we are with 2 trying to help each other :o
I'm sending Jeff's motor back, make a better investment and report back :thumbs:
 
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Anyone who knows what exactly K210: Driving range acceptance warning lamp in E473: Transfer box operating unit, four-wheel is?
Can we see a complete un-edited Auto-Scan with the DTC in question?

Based on the DTC text, and some of your other statements, I wonder if it's not a problem with the transfer case and its electronics, but a problem with the indicator lamp or its wiring, even if it's working sometimes under some circumstances.
 
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Can we see a complete un-edited Auto-Scan with the DTC in question?

Based on the DTC text, and some of your other statements, I wonder if it's not a problem with the transfer case and its electronics, but a problem with the indicator lamp or its wiring, even if it's working sometimes under some circumstances.
Can we see a complete un-edited Auto-Scan with the DTC in question?

Based on the DTC text, and some of your other statements, I wonder if it's not a problem with the transfer case and its electronics, but a problem with the indicator lamp or its wiring, even if it's working sometimes under some circumstances.
Shure, no problem: thx. 4 asking!
Below is an original Auto-scan transcript after normal use of the car in high gear for some days and ... for your info, after shifting to low gear and back to high gear:
 
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I will post it tomorrow, feeling too tired now :o
 
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Sorry for the delay ...
So here are 2 un-edited scans from yesterday: the first is made after erasing DTC 02039/008 in address 22 AWD last week and driving daily since then in high gear: engine started with TC in high gear, gearbox in paking mode, engine idling, no warnings, except for the high gear selection light on E473 not being illuminated.
The second one i made after only shifting TC in low gear and back into high gear: only difference is is adress 22. Bringing up dash warnings and 3 blinking lights on TC operating unit.
Code:
Wednesday,23,September,2020,18:12:02:30525
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4526.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVGZZZ7LZ3D006640   License Plate:


Chassis Type: 7L (7L - VW Touareg (2003 > 11/2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 29 32 34 36
          37 39 3C 46 47 55 56 57 64 65 68 69 6C 6D 6E 75 76 77

VIN: WVGZZZ7LZ3D006640   Mileage: 179120km-111300miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BMX.lbl
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 BE    HW:           
   Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G   0008
   Coding: 0000133
   Shop #: WSC 02402 202 05928
   VCID: 4FFA8B451BCA5FA39B9-5184

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0001

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09D-927-750.clb
   Part No: 09D 927 750 A
   Component: AL 600 6Q           0360
   Coding: 0004136
   Shop #: WSC 02402 202 05928
   VCID: 2C00FCC94A1C44BBDEB-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7L0-907-379-MK25.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 907 379 A
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25     0105
   Coding: 0014337
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 372AD3A5835AF763A39-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 909 131 T    HW: 5WK 470 21
   Component:    Kessy            6120
   Coding: 0000232
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 323CE2B16838124B947-5184

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 7L6-907-040.clb
   Part No: 7L6 907 040 D
   Component: CLIMAtronic R/L     0302
   Coding: 0001020
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 313EEDBD6D3E2953EDD-5184

3 Faults Found:
02100 - Footwell Flap Motor (V261)
            000 - -
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7Lx-937-049-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L6 937 049 K
   Component:                     2701
   Coding: 0100452
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 44D0B469C28CACFB36B-5184

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 B
   Component:  4 Airbag 8.4E+ H07 0641
   Coding: 0008244
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 221C12F138D882CB647-5184

4 Faults Found:
01739 - Crash Sensor for Front Airbag; Pass. Side (G284)
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
01211 - Belt Tensioner Igniter; Rear Driver Side (N196)
            011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
00654 - Seat Belt Tensioner Igniter; Driver Side (N153)
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON
01212 - Belt Tensioner Igniter; Rear Passenger Side (N197)
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - MIL ON

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 953 549 B
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul     3201
   Coding: 0000011
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3E24C681AC60C62B60F-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7L6-920-xxx-7LA.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 920 880
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB4 2601
   Coding: 0005111
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 74B024A9D2AC5C7B46B-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 70B828B9A6B4605BA23-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: User\0AD-927-755.lbl
   Part No: 0AD 927 755 BE
   Component: TRANSFERCASE        0122
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7F5AFB85EBEA0F232B9-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7L0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 959 933 C
   Component: 4L HSG              3214
   Coding: 0000065
   Shop #: WSC 03816 202 82061
   VCID: 3C20CC89BA7CD43B4EB-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 701
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0101

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L0 959 702
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0101

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 7L0 959 703
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0101

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7L0 959 704 B
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0201

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 7L0 907 719
   Component:    Neigungssensor   0018

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7L6 951 171
   Component: A  Innenraumsensor  0019

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 7L0-955-119-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L0 955 119 F
   Component: Front Wiper         2416
   Coding: 0000255
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 372AD3A5835AF763A39-5184

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 08:54, VBatt start/end: 14.2V/14.0V)-----------



After shifting from high gear to low gear and back to high gear: difference in address 22, warnings on dash and 3 blinking lights on TC operating unit:



Wednesday,23,September,2020,18:23:15:30525
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VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4526.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVGZZZ7LZ3D006640   License Plate:


Chassis Type: 7L (7L - VW Touareg (2003 > 11/2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 29 32 34 36
          37 39 3C 46 47 55 56 57 64 65 68 69 6C 6D 6E 75 76 77

VIN: WVGZZZ7LZ3D006640   Mileage: 179120km-111300miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BMX.lbl
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 BE    HW:           
   Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G   0008
   Coding: 0000133
   Shop #: WSC 02402 202 05928
   VCID: 4FFA8B451BCA5FA39B9-5184

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0001

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7L0-907-379-MK25.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 907 379 A
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25     0105
   Coding: 0014337
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 372AD3A5835AF763A39-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 909 131 T    HW: 5WK 470 21
   Component:    Kessy            6120
   Coding: 0000232
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 323CE2B16838124B947-5184

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 7L6-907-040.clb
   Part No: 7L6 907 040 D
   Component: CLIMAtronic R/L     0302
   Coding: 0001020
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 313EEDBD6D3E2953EDD-5184

3 Faults Found:
02100 - Footwell Flap Motor (V261)
            000 - -
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7Lx-937-049-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L6 937 049 K
   Component:                     2701
   Coding: 0100452
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 44D0B469C28CACFB36B-5184

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 B
   Component:  4 Airbag 8.4E+ H07 0641
   Coding: 0008244
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 221C12F138D882CB647-5184

4 Faults Found:
01739 - Crash Sensor for Front Airbag; Pass. Side (G284)
            011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
01211 - Belt Tensioner Igniter; Rear Driver Side (N196)
            011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
00654 - Seat Belt Tensioner Igniter; Driver Side (N153)
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON
01212 - Belt Tensioner Igniter; Rear Passenger Side (N197)
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - MIL ON

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 953 549 B
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul     3201
   Coding: 0000011
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3E24C681AC60C62B60F-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7L6-920-xxx-7LA.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 920 880
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB4 2601
   Coding: 0005111
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 74B024A9D2AC5C7B46B-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 70B828B9A6B4605BA23-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 22: AWD        Labels: User\0AD-927-755.lbl
   Part No: 0AD 927 755 BE
   Component: TRANSFERCASE        0122
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7F5AFB85EBEA0F232B9-5184

1 Fault Found:
02039 - Position Sensor in Transfer Case (G398)
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7L0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 959 933 C
   Component: 4L HSG              3214
   Coding: 0000065
   Shop #: WSC 03816 202 82061
   VCID: 3C20CC89BA7CD43B4EB-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 701
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0101

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L0 959 702
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0101

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 7L0 959 703
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0101

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7L0 959 704 B
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0201

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 7L0 907 719
   Component:    Neigungssensor   0018

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7L6 951 171
   Component: A  Innenraumsensor  0019

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 7L0-955-119-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L0 955 119 F
   Component: Front Wiper         2416
   Coding: 0000255
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 372AD3A5835AF763A39-5184

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 08:48, VBatt start/end: 13.8V/13.8V)-----------
 
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Personally i don't thrust the potentiometer inside the TC motor: it is 1 potentiometer that does all of the senor operations, giving feedback to the TC control module ...
Different car brand, but shows that it can happen: TC Motor potentiometer
Range Rover potentiometer has 3 connections, ours, which is not for sale separately for as far as i know, has 8 and we do not have any data on angles and voltages, so testing is not possible ...
Later today i'm gonna swap potiontiometers between the old and the new motor allthough i don't really believe this is gonne help as i think its exactly the potentiometer that makes the difference between older and newer motors ...
 
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Ok, so i transferred the potentiometer (n° 40d3886: i can find it online, but without a sign of being able to buy it separately) of my old,
original VW TC motor (0AD341601A), after spraying it with WD40, into the new Chinese motor (ref. 0AD341601C) and mounted the new motor with the old potentiometer
back into the car (only a small modification was needed to mate the connector) and went for a drive:
all fine, except for the drivetrain binding appearing again in slow hard cornering and the high gear selection light not illuminating.
Then, after shifting the TC from high gear to low gear to center lock and back to high gear: no DTC's, no warnings on the dash, no blinking lights on TC operating unit,
only high gear selection licht on TC operating unit not being illuminating.
Cleared DTC's, stored in address 22, after disconnecting the motor and having contact on without starting the engine to check battery voltage.
And ... suddently drivetrain binding seems to be cured ...
Now ... i will not put my money on the fact that the high gear selection light on the TC operting unit was illuminating before allthough i'm pretty shure it did ...
But i can be wrong or it could be only just failing recently.
In any case: what i will be doing during the next couple of days is test the binding frequently, do new scans on adress 22, blocks 12, 13 and 14
and post them for comparison with the latest previous scan
and check if it is just the operating unit high gear selection light that is failing.
But: i'm becoming more and more convinced that it was never the TC motor itself that was the problem on T1's but only the potentiometer
(for VW being an integral part of the motor), as the motor only does what what the control unit tells it to do, using potentiometer imput
by means of the TC control unit software leaving lots of people having spent a lot of money on new TC motors if failed to get it replaced in recall time period ...
Meanwhile i have been searching the internet about Touareg T1 TC motors, seems that there are only 2 options: buying from a Chinese manufacturor or buying genuine VW
(which may or may not be built by the same manufacturor), the last option costing about 6x as much as the first one: my mind, at this moment, remains to be made up ...!
Yes: Treg 7L is an old car, but is that enough reason to discard of them just like that?
For sake of economics ... off course ...
 
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Treg 7L is an old car, but is that enough reason to discard of them just like that?
No, absolutely not. The Touareg has always been an amazing vehicle. But you have to keep in mind that it will be expensive to fix at times.

Now just for fun:


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DIY compared to VW garage repair :eek:
I don't think so Uwe: the reason for VCDS to exist: no? :o
 
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DIY compared to VW garage repair :eek:
I don't think so Uwe: the reason for VCDS to exist: no? :o
Having VCDS helps a lot, but it is not a magic wand that fixes everything else for free. ;)

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I agree: the magic has to be made by the VCDS user's brain and hands and by helping each other :o
 
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