2013 Mk3 Leon 2.0 TDI 150 Alternator Issue

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Hi all,

Fairly new to VCDS, strangely my first thread is regards a friends vehicle, he has a mk3 2013 Leon 2.0 TDI FR 150, he called me today asking if it is possible to use VCDS to change the alternator value as he has recently replaced it and the new one is now measuring on a multimeter as 10.8V, he has informed me he has recently had an auto electrician out who claimed it was the values from the data bus module, he has checked all the connections and they appear fine but has also informed me it is showing on his cheap diagnostic machine that the generator has no communication, any help on finding a potential repair would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Adam.
 
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Hi Jack,

I don’t have an auto scan at present, I won’t see him till tomorrow, will run one then but was hoping in the mean time someone had previously experienced this and could give me some advice.

Thanks.
 
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Hi AdamC,
As Jack has said we need an Autoscan as a starting point, but let me have a guess. The replacement alternator was not a genuine part from TPS, but a cheapy probably from Eu.....parts! After proper testing you know what you will be doing!
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Buy an original alternator and you'll be fine. I have already had these cases several times where customers have installed an alternator that was not original. There was always a communication error and no charging power.
 
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Hi all,

Thanks for the replies, I will be running a auto scan this afternoon. Will post the results then if I figure out how to haha. This is my first thread on here fairly new to VCDS.

Will recommend he installs a genuine part if he has not already. From what he has told me, an auto electrician has been out recently and he claimed he needed a new data bus module? He recently replaced the battery and alternator too, for what reason I do not know as it is starting fine every time, no obvious signs would require changing such as warning lights, dimming/flickering lights, starting issues etc. Bit of a strange one. He did tell me on the phone that he took out the new battery he put in and put the old back in, I am wondering if this has messed the battery coding up therefore giving this lower reading on the alternator, could this be a possibility?

I will check the battery coding when I run an auto scan see if the serial numbers etc all match up.
 
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Hi all, please see auto scan below, please advise?


Code:
Tuesday,11,August,2020,15:57:07:49036
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4513.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url]


VIN: VSSZZZ5FZER007267   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 5F-SE37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 55 5F A5

VIN: VSSZZZ5FZER007267   Mileage: 153746km-95533miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CKFC)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 021 DS    HW: 04L 907 309 D
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC   X22 5514  
   Revision: 83X22---    
   Coding: 11190012032501090000
   Shop #: WSC 92521 052 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021DS 002009
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021DS_002.rod
   VCID: 79AFE8C09952AA0315D-802C

4 Faults Found:
7144 - Please Check DTC Memory in CAN Gateway (J533) 
          U1008 00 [109] - -
          [Diagnostic interface for data busRead out DTC]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 28
                    Mileage: 153157 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 16:20:56

                    Engine speed: 781.50 /min
                    Normed load value: 24.7 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 47 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 45 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1010 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.960 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Drivetrain coordinator: ACC fault status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: ACC fault status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake fault status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake function status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake function status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Acceleration: 0.000 m/s²

7158 - Please Check DTC Memory in CAN Gateway (J533) 
          U1008 00 [047] - -
          [Diagnostic interface for data busRead out DTC]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 153157 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 16:13:34

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 46 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 50 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1010 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.460 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine control module reset status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Engine control module reset status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Limitation: torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Limitation: accelerator pedal: 126.7 Nm
                    Cruise Control System (CCS): status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Accelerator pedal travel: raw value: 0.00 %
                    Engine torque: -500.0 Nm
                    Generator: load signal: 30.00 %

7150 - Implausible Data Received from Steering Angle Sensor Module (G85) 
          U0428 00 [032] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 153684 km
                    Date: 2020.08.03
                    Time: 02:17:25

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 42 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 42 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1010 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.460 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 36

17158 - Databus 
          U1123 00 [032] - Received Error Message
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 153684 km
                    Date: 2020.08.03
                    Time: 02:17:26

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 42 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 42 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1010 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.440 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 36
                    Drivetrain coordinator: ACC fault status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: ACC fault status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake fault status-Bits 0-7: 4
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake function status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake function status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Acceleration: 0.000 m/s²

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 R    HW: 5Q0 907 379 F
   Component: EMB8 EHCB     H31 0356  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 6131300000078E
   Coding: 18EE8A92242009730079060641CA241851249000608224F200610070C002
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 033001
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_033.rod
   VCID: 4BC36208834EE893F71-801E

3 Faults Found:
0297 - Steering angle sensor 
          B1168 16 [008] - Voltage Too Low
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 145
                    Mileage: 153684 km
                    Date: 2020.08.03
                    Time: 02:17:26

16390 - Display for Tire Pressure Monitoring 
          C1146 02 [008] - Signal Failure
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 145
                    Mileage: 153684 km
                    Date: 2020.08.03
                    Time: 02:17:36

16401 - Tire Pressure Warning 
          C102D 00 [137] - -
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 97
                    Mileage: 153514 km
                    Date: 2020.07.29
                    Time: 12:03:38


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5F0 907 044 D    HW: 5F0 907 044 D
   Component: Climatronic   H03 0705  
   Revision: 00001K07    
   Coding: 04100104200100011105000000101000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 003017
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_003_VW37.rod
   VCID: 270BFEB83F66ECF3339-8072

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 

   Air quality sensor: 

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 AA    HW: 5Q0 937 084 AA
   Component: BCM MQBAB H   H14 0112  
   Serial number: 00011314300080
   Coding: 0B000B42420102FB0B244000B1040328102A000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 011001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_011.rod
   VCID: 77ABEEF8AF46BC73639-8022

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F2 955 119     HW: 5F1 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS370 130509  041 0574 
   Serial number:         130510210745
   Coding: 0BC5FD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547     HW: 5Q0 955 547   Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLFS  024 0042 
   Serial number: Y13M05D30H22M02S07S1
   Coding: 00885D

   Sensor For Anti Theft Alarm System: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 171     HW: 5Q0 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0313 
   Serial number: 000000000ZY130870XKH

   Alarm horn: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605 
   Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311 
   Serial number: 00000000000056698934

1 Fault Found:
202506 - Motor for Central Locking of Rear Trunk/Hatch 
          B12DD 15 [008] - Open or Short to Plus
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 135
                    Mileage: 153302 km
                    Date: 2020.07.20
                    Time: 12:12:46


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 919 294 B    HW: 5Q0 919 294 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  002 0026  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 94231313401475
   Coding: 0031051001
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 002016
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3A2D37CCDCD4611B5C7-806E

1 Fault Found:
13637426 - Databus 
          U1123 00 [008] - Received Error Message
          [ESP - ESP_21.ESP_Systemstatus - Fehlerspeicher auslesen]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 145
                    Mileage: 153684 km
                    Date: 2020.08.03
                    Time: 02:17:26


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 AC    HW: 3Q0 959 655 AC
   Component: Airbag VW20   011 0188  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003P4PA6TEZM
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CC008800000065
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X 001116
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X.rod
   VCID: 7F5B06D8877684332B9-802A

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 002 405 13
   Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887 
   Serial number: 3576U000000419D8EC0Q
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 505 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887 
   Serial number: 3586U00000045C5CBC0R
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 205 13
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  111 0148 
   Serial number: 3516R8D6858010000005
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 505 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  111 0148 
   Serial number: 3526R56876401000000.
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 303 13
   Component: FrontSensor_D  114 0149 
   Serial number: 3556VCA6D2A01000000I
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 AN    HW: 5Q0 953 549 A
   Component: Lenks. Modul  007 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 21051304220444
   Coding: AC00
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 009001
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_009_SE37.rod
   VCID: 025D8F2CF484E9DB447-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5F0 920 971 H    HW: 5F0 920 971 H
   Component: KOMBI         303 2210  
   Coding: 27A40A006980260001086A02000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 008031
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_008_SE37.rod
   VCID: 2F3B16981796B4B3FB9-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 M    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
   Component: GW MQB High   125 1144  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000628786
   Coding: 030100F40B087600EF0006C8080F00010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 009013
   ROD: EV_GatewLear_009.rod
   VCID: 3B2332C8D3EE5813471-806E

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 959 537 B    HW: 5F0 959 537 B  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H03 0100 
   Serial number: 000000000A0317080513
   Coding: 002000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 D    HW: 5Q0 915 181 D
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0192 
   Serial number: 00000000004051501623

1 Fault Found:
197149 - Generator 
          U1052 00 [009] - No Communication
          [Generator (LIN#1) Timeout]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 85
                    Mileage: 153286 km
                    Date: 2020.07.19
                    Time: 17:01:30

                    Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 13.5 V
                    Terminal 15: On


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 593     HW: 5Q4 959 593 
   Component: TSG FS        007 0006  
   Serial number: 0000062654104 
   Coding: 00100220D001020100001000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 025D8F2CF484E9DB447-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 L    HW: 5Q0 909 144 L
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  119 1021  
   Coding: 91
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 008022
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_008.rod
   VCID: 3D273CD0CDFA5623795-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 592     HW: 5Q4 959 592 
   Component: TSG BFS       007 0006  
   Serial number: 0000062834632 
   Coding: 00100220D001020100001000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 015F8020F182F2C35DD-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 357     HW: 6R0 907 357 A
   Component: LWR-ECU       005 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 048E000009000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB 001110
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB.rod
   VCID: 75B7E4F0B54ACE63715-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 5F0 035 858 A    HW: 5F0 035 858 A
   Component: MU-S-ND-ER    040 0407  
   Serial number: E5F02305130203
   Coding: 04731001D70A000021111101000800002F0101060100010046
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd6C1PASE 002030
   ROD: EV_MUStd6C1PASE.rod
   VCID: 290FF8802972DA8325D-807C

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 603 A    HW: 5F0 919 603 A
   Component: ABTmin_Std_Nv  H45 0020 
   Serial number: SEZ8Z9N5600NKM      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 866 C    HW: -----------
   Component:  ECE 2013  --- 0021 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels:| 5Q0-980-653.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 980 653 E    HW: 5Q0 980 653 
   Component: MQB_MFK       H05 0050  
   Serial number: 00000061027   
   Coding: 0100010001000004000500000000010100
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschAU370 001001
   ROD: EV_MFKBoschAU370.rod
   VCID: 3A2D37CCDCD4611B5C7-806E

1 Fault Found:
6553600 - Databus 
          U1123 00 [008] - Received Error Message
          [LH_EPS_03_BERECHN_LW_SIG_FAILURE]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 145
                    Mileage: 153684 km
                    Date: 2020.08.03
                    Time: 02:17:28

                    Control Module temperature: 36 °C
                    Outside air temperature: 23.5 °C
                    Vehicle speed: 0.00 km/h
                    Voltage terminal 15: 12.2 V
                    Terminal 15 on: 3.5 s


End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:08, VBatt start/end: 12.5V/12.5V)-----------
 
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Yep, No Communications with Generator (alternator). The car cannot control something it can't communicate with.

The only slightly puzzling part is that this fault has a date-stamp of 2020.07.19 and a Fault Frequency of 1. Is it possible the date in the car is set incorrectly? The fault is not flagged "Intermittent", so seems it still exists. Chances are the alternator installed simply isn't capable of communicating like a genuine one would be, but do check the LIN bus wiring between the Gateway and the Alternator before condemning the alternator.

Also, when/where/how was the 10.8V measured? The scan shows 12.5V, which is a reasonably well-charged battery.

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Hi Uwe,

Many thanks for the reply, he has had this issue for a while now so can only assume that is the date he first encountered the fault? Mate who owns it has informed me he replaced the alternator with a genuine one, faulty perhaps I do not know, do they need programming in?

And this may be a bit of a daft question to most of you but I am still learning, how would I test the local interconnect network (LIN) wiring between the gateway and the alternator, I am assuming multimeter obviously?

Thanks.
 
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Right, I have done some more digging with the lad who owns it, he informs me he got the 10.8v from another car diagnostic tool, icarsoft vaws 2.0, he viewed the live data and it showed the charging input could only be charged to 10.8v and that the generator signal was only at 30%, does this make sense to anyone please?

Thanks.
 
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The wiring has all been checked by auto electrician too and all came back fine, they informed him the data bus module was defective, I’m assuming it’s safe to say this would be the cure? If so, where’s the best place to get one other than the main stealers?
 
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I am skeptical that the source of the problem is the "data bus module" (CAN Gateway). But if it is, then the car will have to go to the dealer (or an independent with ODIS and GeKo/Fazit access), because the Gateway is the master module for the entire Component Protection scheme in the car.

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Hi Uwe,

If you’re sceptical about the issue being the can gateway, in your opinion what other options do you believe it may be and what further checks can be done?

If I’m correct the main stealers charge a good few hundred quid for the module and then a couple hours labour on top, so any further help to help save a potential £500 would be deeply appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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I have been informed by the owner it is a genuine alternator installed, I’m going to check the can gateway installation list next and see if there is any indication of anything wrong in there?
 
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2013 Seat Leon Mk3 Generator Issue

Hi all,

Apologies for the re post, still scratching my head over this issue on my mates car, generator still showing no communication, replies on the previous post said changing the alternator for a new genuine one would resolve the issue, my mate who owns the car has changed this as recommended, but has informed me when he did he changed the battery (eventually opting to revert to the previous one) and also replaced the battery regulator (again, eventually opting to reverting back to the old one) as changing the alternator did not work, after installing these new parts an auto scan was ran each time a new part was installed but none of them helped resolve the issue. Please see the auto scan below as taken earlier this evening, is this vehicle supposed to have a 61 - Battery Regulation module installed too does anyone know? There was not one installed? Ross tech as per their website list the vehicle application charts but only for VW and Audi, was hoping there was some for SEAT vehicles too in particular this model?

Thanks.

Code:
Tuesday,18,August,2020,16:47:52:49036
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4513.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url]


VIN: VSSZZZ5FZER007267   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 5F-SE37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 55 5F A5

VIN: VSSZZZ5FZER007267   Mileage: 153988km-95683miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CKFC)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 021 DS    HW: 04L 907 309 D
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC   X22 5514  
   Revision: 83X22---    
   Coding: 11190012032501090000
   Shop #: WSC 92521 052 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021DS 002009
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021DS_002.rod
   VCID: 79AFE8C09952AA0315D-802C

2 Faults Found:
7144 - Please Check DTC Memory in CAN Gateway (J533) 
          U1008 00 [101] - -
          [Diagnostic interface for data busRead out DTC]
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 153988 km
                    Date: 2020.08.12
                    Time: 16:20:26

                    Engine speed: 769.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 23.9 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 66 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 58 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.000 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Drivetrain coordinator: ACC fault status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: ACC fault status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake fault status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake function status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Drivetrain coordinator: brake function status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Acceleration: 0.000 m/s²

7158 - Please Check DTC Memory in CAN Gateway (J533) 
          U1008 00 [039] - -
          [Diagnostic interface for data busRead out DTC]
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 153988 km
                    Date: 2020.08.12
                    Time: 16:07:49

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 68 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 63 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.320 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine control module reset status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Engine control module reset status-Bits 0-7: 2
                    Limitation: torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Limitation: accelerator pedal: 126.7 Nm
                    Cruise Control System (CCS): status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Accelerator pedal travel: raw value: 0.00 %
                    Engine torque: -500.0 Nm
                    Generator: load signal: 30.00 %

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 R    HW: 5Q0 907 379 F
   Component: EMB8 EHCB     H31 0356  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 6131300000078E
   Coding: 18EE8A92242009730079060641CA241851249000608224F200610070C002
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 033001
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_033.rod
   VCID: 4BC36208834EE893F71-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5F0 907 044 D    HW: 5F0 907 044 D
   Component: Climatronic   H03 0705  
   Revision: 00001K07    
   Coding: 04100104200100011105000000101000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 003017
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_003_VW37.rod
   VCID: 270BFEB83F66ECF3339-8072

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 

   Air quality sensor: 

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 AA    HW: 5Q0 937 084 AA
   Component: BCM MQBAB H   H14 0112  
   Serial number: 00011314300080
   Coding: 0B000B42420102FB0B244000B1040328102A000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 011001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_011.rod
   VCID: 77ABEEF8AF46BC73639-8022

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F2 955 119     HW: 5F1 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS370 130509  041 0574 
   Serial number:         130510210745
   Coding: 0BC5FD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547     HW: 5Q0 955 547   Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLFS  024 0042 
   Serial number: Y13M05D30H22M02S07S1
   Coding: 00885D

   Sensor For Anti Theft Alarm System: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 171     HW: 5Q0 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0313 
   Serial number: 000000000ZY130870XKH

   Alarm horn: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605 
   Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311 
   Serial number: 00000000000056698934

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 919 294 B    HW: 5Q0 919 294 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  002 0026  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 94231313401475
   Coding: 0031051001
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 002016
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3A2D37CCDCD4611B5C7-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 AC    HW: 3Q0 959 655 AC
   Component: Airbag VW20   011 0188  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003P4PA6TEZM
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CC008800000065
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X 001116
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X.rod
   VCID: 7F5B06D8877684332B9-802A

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 002 405 13
   Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887 
   Serial number: 3576U000000419D8EC0Q
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 505 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887 
   Serial number: 3586U00000045C5CBC0R
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 205 13
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  111 0148 
   Serial number: 3516R8D6858010000005
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 505 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  111 0148 
   Serial number: 3526R56876401000000.
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 303 13
   Component: FrontSensor_D  114 0149 
   Serial number: 3556VCA6D2A01000000I
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 AN    HW: 5Q0 953 549 A
   Component: Lenks. Modul  007 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 21051304220444
   Coding: AC00
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 009001
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_009_SE37.rod
   VCID: 025D8F2CF484E9DB447-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5F0 920 971 H    HW: 5F0 920 971 H
   Component: KOMBI         303 2210  
   Coding: 27A40A006980260001086A02000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 008031
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_008_SE37.rod
   VCID: 2F3B16981796B4B3FB9-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 M    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
   Component: GW MQB High   125 1144  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000628786
   Coding: 030100F40B087600EF0006C8080F00010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 009013
   ROD: EV_GatewLear_009.rod
   VCID: 3B2332C8D3EE5813471-806E

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 959 537 B    HW: 5F0 959 537 B  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H03 0100 
   Serial number: 000000000A0317080513
   Coding: 002000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 D    HW: 5Q0 915 181 D
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0192 
   Serial number: 00000000004051501623

1 Fault Found:
197149 - Generator 
          U1052 00 [009] - No Communication
          [Generator (LIN#1) Timeout]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 127
                    Mileage: 153988 km
                    Date: 2020.08.12
                    Time: 16:08:42

                    Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 12.1 V
                    Terminal 15: On


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 593     HW: 5Q4 959 593 
   Component: TSG FS        007 0006  
   Serial number: 0000062654104 
   Coding: 00100220D001020100001000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 025D8F2CF484E9DB447-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 L    HW: 5Q0 909 144 L
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  119 1021  
   Coding: 91
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 008022
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_008.rod
   VCID: 3D273CD0CDFA5623795-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 592     HW: 5Q4 959 592 
   Component: TSG BFS       007 0006  
   Serial number: 0000062834632 
   Coding: 00100220D001020100001000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 015F8020F182F2C35DD-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 357     HW: 6R0 907 357 A
   Component: LWR-ECU       005 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 048E000009000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB 001110
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB.rod
   VCID: 75B7E4F0B54ACE63715-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 5F0 035 858 A    HW: 5F0 035 858 A
   Component: MU-S-ND-ER    040 0407  
   Serial number: E5F02305130203
   Coding: 04731001D70A000021111101000800002F0101060100010046
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd6C1PASE 002030
   ROD: EV_MUStd6C1PASE.rod
   VCID: 290FF8802972DA8325D-807C

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 603 A    HW: 5F0 919 603 A
   Component: ABTmin_Std_Nv  H45 0020 
   Serial number: SEZ8Z9N5600NKM      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 866 C    HW: -----------
   Component:  ECE 2013  --- 0021 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels:| 5Q0-980-653.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 980 653 E    HW: 5Q0 980 653 
   Component: MQB_MFK       H05 0050  
   Serial number: 00000061027   
   Coding: 0100010001000004000500000000010100
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00128
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschAU370 001001
   ROD: EV_MFKBoschAU370.rod
   VCID: 3A2D37CCDCD4611B5C7-806E

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:09, VBatt start/end: 12.6V/12.6V)-----------
 
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The alternator is wired up to the CAN Gateway (J533) via a LIN Bus. The Battery Monitoring Control Module (J367) is on that same LIN Bus. I would unplug the J367 and ohm test the T2n/1 wire (violet/white) and see if you have continuity to the alternator T2v/1 (blue). If open circuit, trace it out and repair as needed... remember, no soldering irons allowed. If the wire is good, then you may have a bad alternator.
 
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Hi Jef,

Thanks for the reply,

My mate who owns the car informed me he had an auto electrician out after replacing the alternator and the wires were all good, I guess this only leaves me with the fact that the alternator is potentially a bad one and will look at re replacing it and taking it from there.

Do you know if this particular vehicle should have the battery regulator module installed? I ticked it on the can gateway installation list assuming it should have but it then failed to communicate?

Thanks.

Adam.
 
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 M HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
Component: GW MQB High 125 1144
Revision: -------- Serial number: 0000628786
Coding: 030100F40B087600EF0006C8080F0001000100000000000000 0000000000
Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00103
ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 009013
ROD: EV_GatewLear_009.rod
VCID: 3B2332C8D3EE5813471-806E

Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 959 537 B HW: 5F0 959 537 B Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
Component: E221__MFL-PR6 H03 0100
Serial number: 000000000A0317080513
Coding: 002000

Battery Monitoring Control Module:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 D HW: 5Q0 915 181 D
Component: J367-BDM H08 0192
Serial number: 00000000004051501623
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it has it. But it is a sub system of the CAN Gateway, not a stand alone system like a previous generations of Battery Regulation.
 
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Threads merged.

Please don't start new threads about the same problem in the same car.

-Uwe-
 
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