Immobilizer issue

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Dear all,
its 2011 VW VENTO 1.6 Tdi

after key fallen in water engine will stall after 2 sec, tried with the spare key the same issue , in cluster its showing SAFE

please help

Code:
Friday,07,August,2020,20:43:45:59768
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4513.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url]


VIN: WVWF11600BT069874   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 60-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 44

VIN: WVWF11600BT069874   Mileage: 71440km-44390miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CLNA)       Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 NT    HW: 03L 907 425 B
   Component: R4 1.6l TDI   H33 9977  
   Revision: --H33---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00110016030500080000
   Shop #: WSC 00793 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023NT 003014
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023CR_003.rod
   VCID: 05427F5384C85EAE20-8050

1 Fault Found:
6260 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 
          P1570 00 [165] - -
          MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 71447 km
                    Date: 2020.08.07
                    Time: 00:01:55

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 59 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 32 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.311 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Immobilizer snapshot A: 94

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 6R0-907-37x-ABS82.clb
   Part No SW: 6RF 907 379     HW: 6R0 907 379 AB
   Component: ABS8.2 front  H03 0002  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 500200C1007300BB0A2D00E900D500004000
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 00000
   VCID: 116A5B03CC80020E8C-8044

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 6R0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 044 G    HW: 6R0 907 044 G
   Component: Climatronic   H09 0609  
   Revision: V0000000    
   VCID: 373EC59B86A4FC3EE2-8062

1 Fault Found:
01272 - Positioning Motor for Central Flap (V70) 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 178
                    Mileage: 71447 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.12.29
                    Time: 00:06:06


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6RU 937 086 B    HW: 6RU 937 086 
   Component: BCM25 IM M+4  H46 0230  
   Revision: BY046001    Serial number: 0335 159110357
   Coding: 3A984ABF08A12400123000003C0B04900000414F60040000200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 608C4EC773AADB8673-8034

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 D    HW: 6R0 959 802 D  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  002 3420 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 010000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 ED    HW: 6R0 959 801 ED  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  023 2261 
   Serial number: 13102849170216063901
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 E    HW: 6R0 959 811 E
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  002 3420 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 E    HW: 6R0 959 812 E
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  002 3420 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 J    HW: 6R0 959 655 J
   Component: VW10AirbagU06 H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GW004L875
   Coding: 003036
   Shop #: WSC 01383 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 49DAB363E8507ACE84-801C

1 Fault Found:
12854016 - Databus 
          U1122 00 [008] - Implausible Message
          [Kombi1 DLC Error]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 52
                    Reset counter: 218
                    Mileage: 71447 km
                    Date: 2020.08.07
                    Time: 00:15:25


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6RF 920 860 B    HW: 6RF 920 860 B
   Component: KOMBI         H08 0008  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 550800
   Shop #: WSC 00793 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04061
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 49DAB363E8507ACE84-801C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6RU 937 086 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0230  
   Coding: 002300
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 70AC3E87A34A6B06E3-8024

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:. 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 6RF 920 860 B    HW: 6RF 920 860 B
   Component: IMMO          H08 0008  
   Serial number:               
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03007
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 49DAB363E8507ACE84-801C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels:* 6Rx-909-144-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 6RF 909 144 J    HW: 6RF 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ECU       H26 0401  
   Coding: 0000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSNSK 005005
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSNSK.rod
   VCID: 53E6910B3A1C301EFE-8006

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:10, VBatt start/end: 12.4V/12.3V)-----------
 
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after key fallen in water engine will stall after 2 sec, tried with the spare key the same issue , in cluster its showing SAFE
I don't understand how the key falling in water could cause this. The transponder is passive and encased in waterproof glass pill. Moreover, the spare key didn't fall in water, right?

It's also rather puzzling that there are no fault codes in either 17-Instruments or 25-Immo.

Measuring Blocks is your best friend here
Since it's a UDS Immobilizer, it will have to be Advanced Measuring Values.

I would put one key in, turn the ignition on, but do not try to start the engine, and make a map of all the measuring values. Then I would take that key out and repeat the process with the other key.

Post both maps here. Maybe someone will be able to see something that explains this.

-Uwe-
 
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I don't understand how the key falling in water could cause this. The transponder is passive and encased in waterproof glass pill. Moreover, the spare key didn't fall in water, right?

It's also rather puzzling that there are no fault codes in either 17-Instruments or 25-Immo.
Not on this key , mk6 key stile has no glass transponder , it is little micro with antenna at top.

Mk6 key.jpg
 
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Dear all,
its 2011 VW VENTO 1.6 Tdi

after key fallen in water engine will stall after 2 sec, tried with the spare key the same issue , in cluster its showing SAFE

please help

Code:
Friday,07,August,2020,20:43:45:59768
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4513.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url]


VIN: WVWF11600BT069874   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 60-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 44

VIN: WVWF11600BT069874   Mileage: 71440km-44390miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CLNA)       Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 NT    HW: 03L 907 425 B
   Component: R4 1.6l TDI   H33 9977  
   Revision: --H33---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00110016030500080000
   Shop #: WSC 00793 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023NT 003014
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023CR_003.rod
   VCID: 05427F5384C85EAE20-8050

1 Fault Found:
6260 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 
          P1570 00 [165] - -
          MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 71447 km
                    Date: 2020.08.07
                    Time: 00:01:55

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 59 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 32 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.311 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Immobilizer snapshot A: 94

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 6R0-907-37x-ABS82.clb
   Part No SW: 6RF 907 379     HW: 6R0 907 379 AB
   Component: ABS8.2 front  H03 0002  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 500200C1007300BB0A2D00E900D500004000
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 00000
   VCID: 116A5B03CC80020E8C-8044

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 6R0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 044 G    HW: 6R0 907 044 G
   Component: Climatronic   H09 0609  
   Revision: V0000000    
   VCID: 373EC59B86A4FC3EE2-8062

1 Fault Found:
01272 - Positioning Motor for Central Flap (V70) 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 178
                    Mileage: 71447 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.12.29
                    Time: 00:06:06


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6RU 937 086 B    HW: 6RU 937 086 
   Component: BCM25 IM M+4  H46 0230  
   Revision: BY046001    Serial number: 0335 159110357
   Coding: 3A984ABF08A12400123000003C0B04900000414F60040000200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 608C4EC773AADB8673-8034

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 D    HW: 6R0 959 802 D  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  002 3420 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 010000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 ED    HW: 6R0 959 801 ED  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  023 2261 
   Serial number: 13102849170216063901
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 E    HW: 6R0 959 811 E
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  002 3420 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 E    HW: 6R0 959 812 E
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  002 3420 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 J    HW: 6R0 959 655 J
   Component: VW10AirbagU06 H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GW004L875
   Coding: 003036
   Shop #: WSC 01383 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 49DAB363E8507ACE84-801C

1 Fault Found:
12854016 - Databus 
          U1122 00 [008] - Implausible Message
          [Kombi1 DLC Error]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 52
                    Reset counter: 218
                    Mileage: 71447 km
                    Date: 2020.08.07
                    Time: 00:15:25


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6RF 920 860 B    HW: 6RF 920 860 B
   Component: KOMBI         H08 0008  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 550800
   Shop #: WSC 00793 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04061
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 49DAB363E8507ACE84-801C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6RU 937 086 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0230  
   Coding: 002300
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 70AC3E87A34A6B06E3-8024

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:. 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 6RF 920 860 B    HW: 6RF 920 860 B
   Component: IMMO          H08 0008  
   Serial number:               
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03007
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 49DAB363E8507ACE84-801C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels:* 6Rx-909-144-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 6RF 909 144 J    HW: 6RF 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ECU       H26 0401  
   Coding: 0000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSNSK 005005
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSNSK.rod
   VCID: 53E6910B3A1C301EFE-8006

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:10, VBatt start/end: 12.4V/12.3V)-----------
If you try more then 3 times to start car with water damage key , then you probably have lock out state . I suggest leave ignition On for 1 hour with spare key and make sure you have battery charger on it , then turn igntion Off , and try after that .
 
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Not on this key , mk6 key stile has no glass transponder , it is little micro with antenna at top.
Oh, that's cheesy! :mad:

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Dear all,

after removing battery cable for whole night & in morning it starts fine on the spare key, but again went to SAFE while using the waterlogged key.
Now works fine on spare key.
while i inspect the waterlogged key closely after changing with a new battery the red LED on key fob blinking on its own, will this cause the car to go in SAFE
 
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it works fine after disconnecting battery for whole night , but problem still showing while using waterlogged key
 
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Since you have at least one working key, replace damaged one?
 
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