EA288 support?

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Looking forward to a future purchase of a new Golf TDI wagon.

have you been able to update VCDS software with info from the engine controller for these new engines?

I have read a self study guide on the EA288, (learning enough to be dangerous) and have a few questions, mostly related to coolant.

What is the procedure to bleed air from coolant?

Is there a VCDS set of utilities to operate the two electric driven coolant pumps? (similar to operation of fuel pumps to bleed fuel system)

How about control of the switched timing belt driven pump?

The micro circuit is active at start until the engine warms up. the switched pump (driven by timing belt) is activated if engine speed is over a threshold, or engine load is over a threshold.

what are these levels? which sensors/VCDS values?

(Seems like passenger compartment heat could be increased by staying under the threshold in very cold weather)


Coolant loops show check valves, some have springs. Do some function as pressure controls? Why? (For bleeding air only?)
 
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When you can post an Auto-Scan from the car in question, we'll be able to tell you what we do or don't know about that particular ECU. ;)

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this is from a 2015 golf tdi sel

Code:
Monday,16,February,2015,15:34:18:08332
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.1.1 (x64)
Data version: 20150130


VIN: 3VW2A7AUXFMxxxxxx License Plate:
Mileage: 2698km-1676mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: AU (5Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 2B 42 44 52 55 5F 75

VIN: 3VW2A7AUXFMxxxxxx Mileage: 2698km-1676miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CRUA) Labels: None
Part No SW: 04L 906 021 D HW: 04L 907 309
Component: R4 2,0L EDC H23 8278
Revision: 85H23---
Coding: 011D0012032410081000
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00149
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021D 001013
ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021D.rod
VCID: 2649E8DC59C7811134C-8073

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 1

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743) Labels: 0D9-927-770.clb
Part No SW: 0D9 300 041 N HW: 02E 927 770 AQ
Component: DQ250-6F MQB H53 4506
Revision: 03253104 Serial number: TFK01408252263
Coding: 0014
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00149
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ250021 001001
ROD: EV_TCMDQ250021.rod
VCID: 234FF1C82AF57439532-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 5Q0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 K HW: 5Q0 907 379 F
Component: ESC H31 0371
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 52954000000888
Coding: 01FA6AA12425096C0077020981CA2580562490004081A4B200 630050C002
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 033001
ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_VW37.rod
VCID: 448D5254CFBB53010A8-8011

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518) Labels: 5Q0-959-435.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A HW: 5Q0 959 435
Component: VWKESSYMQB 021 0604
Revision: 00021000 Serial number: 0345868690
Coding: 030C0C
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 002011
ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_AU37.rod
VCID: 3A712CACBD7F15F1604-806F

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels: 5G0-907-044.clb
Part No SW: 5G0 907 044 AN HW: 5G0 907 044 AN
Component: Climatronic H03 0907
Revision: 00001K08
Coding: 00020114200100000005000012111400
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 003018
ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_VW37.rod
VCID: 73EFC188DA95A4B9632-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 937 087 N HW: 5Q0 937 087 N
Component: BCM PQ37BOSCH 028 0106
Revision: -------- Serial number: 86583110141093
Coding: 00111A464041A2E969E4400000140700180000000000000000 0000000000
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00195
ASAM Dataset: EV_BodyContrModul1UDSBosc 013004
ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_VW37.rod
VCID: 4689485CF987611114C-8013

Slave 1:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5GM 955 119 HW: 5GM 955 119
Component: WWS 140920 043 0581
Serial number: 141118153551
Coding: 0E4DDD

Slave 2:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 A HW: 5Q0 955 547 A Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
Component: RLHS 037 0059
Serial number: S4Y14M09D30H01M04S25
Coding: 00A8DD

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8V3 959 591 HW: 8V3 959 591
Component: J245 PS73.014 H02 0007
Serial number: WOO32514863
Coding: 181801

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 5Q0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 T HW: 5Q0 959 655 T
Component: AirbagVW20 009 0825
Serial number: 003MHM01473-
Coding: 8CCCFC00000000005000001AC24800000065
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002138
ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
VCID: 51A36B0000C9B6A9B1E-8004

Seat occupant detection; front passenger side:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 A HW: 4M0 959 339 A
Component: BF-Gewichtss. H05 0016
Serial number: IBH0000J140001KLBT0N
Coding: 303337

Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 001 809 14
Component: SideSensor_Df 001 0887
Serial number: 3570000000009339011+
Coding: 2D2D2D

Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side:
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 001 809 14
Component: SideSensor_Pf 001 0887
Serial number: 3580000000002539011.
Coding: 2D2D2D

Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side:
Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 401 709 14
Component: SideSensor_Dr 001 6149
Serial number: 35100029F176A6B452FG
Coding: 2D2D2D

Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side:
Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 401 909 14
Component: SideSensor_Pr 001 6149
Serial number: 3520002A9176A6C1A1A9
Coding: 2D2D2D

Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side:
Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 401 209 14
Component: FrontSensor_D 001 6149
Serial number: 3550002A7176A6C35343
Coding: 2D2D2D

Crash sensor for front airbag; front passenger side:
Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 401 209 14
Component: FrontSensor_P 001 6149
Serial number: 3560002B3176A6C53262
Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J524) Labels: 5Q0-953-549.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 953 521 AT HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
Component: Lenks.Modul 075 0175
Revision: FF032032 Serial number: 20141006400209
Coding: 0410
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001015
ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB.rod
VCID: 040D92548F3B93014A8-8051

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
Part No SW: 5G1 920 841 HW: 5G1 920 841
Component: KOMBI 243 4270
Coding: 0BA41A1A2980CF05020868001000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00195
ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009037
ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_VW37.rod
VCID: 65CBAFD064414A09FD6-8030

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 T HW: 5Q0 907 530 M
Component: GW MQB High 212 2186
Revision: -------- Serial number: 07101410001308
Coding: 0101000800087300EF00020A1C0F0000000105000000000000 0000000000
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewConti 011017
ROD: EV_GatewConti_VW37.rod
VCID: 4281544CD5AF5D31384-8017

Alternator:

Multifunction unit control module:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 P HW: 5G0 959 442 P
Component: E221__MFL-DC1 H16 0101
Serial number: 27140002535430124415
Coding: 29FFFF

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764) Labels: 5Q0-905-861.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 905 861 A HW: 5Q0 905 861 A
Component: ELV-MQBA H01 0120
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 14000296424005
Coding: 5D00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQB 004111
ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQB_AU37.rod
VCID: 346D02949F1BE381BA8-8061

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels: 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 593 B HW: 5Q0 959 593 B
Component: TSG FS 020 0025
Serial number: 211014060503FQ
Coding: 003A13200000040000000000
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXKLO 006003
ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
VCID: 40855E44DBA34F212E0-8015

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 811 A HW: 5Q0 959 811 A
Component: FOND_FHSG_DRV 005 0005
Serial number: 00000000000003731161
Coding: 011000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500) Labels: 5Q0-909-144.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 P HW: 5Q0 909 144 P
Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS 122 1043
Coding: 0102
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00149
ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 010031
ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB.rod
VCID: 41835B40D0A9462921E-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels: 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 959 592 B HW: 5Q0 959 592 B
Component: TSG BFS 020 0025
Serial number: 071114060503JA
Coding: 003A13200000040000000000
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXKLO 006003
ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
VCID: 3F875DB8A65D30D957A-806A

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 812 A HW: 5Q0 959 812 A
Component: FOND_FHSG_PSG 005 0005
Serial number: 00000000000004178939
Coding: 191000

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745) Labels: 7P6-907-357.clb
Part No SW: 7P6 907 357 D HW: 7P6 907 357 A
Component: AFS-ECU H07 0090
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 020A00010B000400
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSMQB 001120
ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFS_VW37.rod
VCID: 40855E44DBA34F212E0-8015

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 941 329 HW: 5N0 941 329
Component: LeiMo links H01 0004
Coding: 2E0000

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5N0 941 329 HW: 5N0 941 329
Component: LeiMo rechts H01 0004
Coding: 2E0000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels: None
Part No SW: 5G0 035 876 HW: 5G0 035 876
Component: MU-S-NS-US 014 0645
Serial number: V7B00210140370
Coding: 027300020000000021220002001800001F0100340100010546
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CPASE 002040
ROD: EV_MUStd4CPASE_VW37.rod
VCID: 69D3A3E088596E69D9E-803C

Media Player Position 1:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 605 K HW: 5G0 919 605 K
Component: ABT_Std_Nav H60 0030
Serial number: VWZ8Z9PS6009S5

Engine Control Module 2:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 866 H HW: -----------
Component: NAR 2014/15 --- 0020
Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address 75: Telematics (J949) Labels: 5QE-035-285.clb
Part No SW: 5QE 035 285 HW: 5QE 035 285
Component: OCULowMQBUS 006 0528
Coding: 02730002C2823A017F1E06000000
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00123
ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULowMQB 001003
ROD: EV_OCULowMQB.rod
VCID: 0201944C952F9D31784-8057

2 Faults Found:
13636864 - Mobile Online Services
B149A F0 [009] - Vehicle Condition Report
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 37
Mileage: 2698 km
Date: 2015.02.16
Time: 15:28:32

2103041 - Control Module
B1788 F0 [009] - Start Prohibition Deactivated
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 8
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 37
Mileage: 2698 km
Date: 2015.02.16
Time: 15:28:32


End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:11)--------------------------
 
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this is from a 2015 golf tdi sel

Code:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CRUA) Labels: None
Part No SW: 04L 906 021 D HW: 04L 907 309
Component: R4 2,0L EDC H23 8278
Revision: 85H23---
Coding: 011D0012032410081000
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00149
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021D 001013
ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021D.rod
VCID: 2649E8DC59C7811134C-8073

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 1
I'm guessing you scanned a random new VW at the dealer but please let us know if this is (or is going to be) your personal car. If it is I would drive it until the Readiness is set because they (or someone) cleared Engine controller faults recently.

What is the procedure to bleed air from coolant?

Is there a VCDS set of utilities to operate the two electric driven coolant pumps? (similar to operation of fuel pumps to bleed fuel system)
I don't know if you had time to browse the Adv Measuring Values or take a look in Basic Settings/Adaptation but that ROD file appears to be pretty complete. For instance Bleeding of coolant circuit is available under the Adaptation function and I see Coolant pump for charge pressure cooler located under the Selective Output Tests function.


How about control of the switched timing belt driven pump?

The micro circuit is active at start until the engine warms up. the switched pump (driven by timing belt) is activated if engine speed is over a threshold, or engine load is over a threshold.

what are these levels? which sensors/VCDS values?
Although numerous Adv Measuring Values (Transmission coolant valve, Coolant temperature, Coolant temperature at radiator output, Coolant temperature at engine outlet, etc..) exist the actual thresholds are determined by the FW in that controller and VCDS simply relays the information. If this vehicle was broken we could dig to see if anything is available in the repair manual sources - but I haven't even read the SSP yet. Out of curiosity what is the 6 digit SSP# that you were referring to?
 
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I got the scan by asking at TDIClub. (This is not likely to ever be my car)

Self Study Program 820433
The EA288 Diesel Engine Family

copy is posted at http://redacted.com/data/517/820433_EA288.pdf
[EDIT: Broke link. Document linked is clearly marked "©2014 Volkswagen Group of America, Inc." and I doubt the place it's being hosted has permission to do so]


Thanks for looking. Sounds like the coolant fill procedure is similar to the one for fuel filter. Run pumps to purge air. (On that note, it also looks like one less fuel pump in the new engine, compared to the CBEA.)

Charge air pump is the coolant loop which runs the new intercooler (exchange with coolant vs air.)

should be another one that pushes coolant to the heater.

Did not see the transmission coolant valve in the self study guide. Have to take another look.


Understand that the actual code will determine the thresholds, and you can only provide visibility into what they decide to share. I suppose when I get one I can play around and guess what the load and speed levels are which would trigger turning on the switchable water pump before coolant is warmed up.

My plan is to get a wagon, but still thinking if I am in a hurry or want to wait another year or so.

Just have under 140k on my '09, after all.
 
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If I look at the figure on page 25, perhaps the coolant control devices are check valves, and the ones with the extra line are electrically operated valves.

(guessing the one on the horizontal blue line under the heater may be that transmission coolant valve)

Is there a key to these diagrams someplace I have not seen?
 
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I'm guessing you scanned a random new VW at the dealer but please let us know if this is (or is going to be) your personal car. If it is I would drive it until the Readiness is set because they (or someone) cleared Engine controller faults recently.



I don't know if you had time to browse the Adv Measuring Values or take a look in Basic Settings/Adaptation but that ROD file appears to be pretty complete. For instance Bleeding of coolant circuit is available under the Adaptation function and I see Coolant pump for charge pressure cooler located under the Selective Output Tests function.



Although numerous Adv Measuring Values (Transmission coolant valve, Coolant temperature, Coolant temperature at radiator output, Coolant temperature at engine outlet, etc..) exist the actual thresholds are determined by the FW in that controller and VCDS simply relays the information. If this vehicle was broken we could dig to see if anything is available in the repair manual sources - but I haven't even read the SSP yet. Out of curiosity what is the 6 digit SSP# that you were referring to?
Hi Dana,

The vehicle is mine. It had a couple of faults that came up and I cleared them and then immediately ran the auto scan again . Sorry I just signed up for these forums and I was waiting for my account to be confirmed.
 
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