2013 RS4 Wingback Seat Retrofit

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I have retrofitted OEM Wingback seats which were a factory option but not installed in my car originally. Have successfully resolved the issue with the seat airbags however I still have codes and airbag light due to the new seats not having position sensors. The original seats were electric movement, new wingbacks are not (just electric for bolsters)

As the seats were a factory option I assume there must be coding to confirm this which should disable the position sensors, would anyone have access to this information please
 
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A full unedited VCDS Auto-Scan would be a great help...
 
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Apologies here's my scan...

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Sunday,10,May,2020,13:48:18:50832
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.0.1 (x64)
Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
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VIN: WUAZZZ8K6DA902792   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 8K-AU48 (8R0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 13 14 15 16 17 19 1B 22 30 42 44 46 47 52
          53 56 5C 5F 62 6C 72

VIN: WUAZZZ8K6DA902792   Mileage: 123980km-77037miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1B-Active Steering -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
30-Special Function II -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5C-Lane Maintain. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (------CFSA)       Labels:. 079-907-560-CFS.clb
   Part No SW: 8T2 907 560     HW: 8T1 907 560 
   Component: 4.2l V8HDZ /  H04 0005  
   Revision: NAH04---    
   Coding: 1225003225C6000A2000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM42FSI0118T2907560 001008
   ROD: EV_ECM42FSI0118T2907560.rod
   VCID: 79F25384F81FC24E45-802C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 1101

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B5-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8K5 927 156     HW: 0B5 927 156 J
   Component: 0B5 42 FSIRdW H02 0010  
   Revision: --H02---    
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501021 001015
   ROD: EV_TCMDL501021.rod
   VCID: 76E858B8C901AD3628-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 379 F    HW: 8T0 907 379 F
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H09 0100  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 346D6A
   Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
   VCID: 458AEF74CC6776AE71-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 GE    HW: 8K0 907 064 FE
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H12 0633  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 01924000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 79F25384F01FC24E45-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 754 CH    HW: 8K0 959 754 CH
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H71 0083 
   Serial number: 0513000024195010    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E    HW: 8K0 905 852 E
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 
   Serial number: 2313000048466010    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8K2 820 043 T    HW: 8K2 820 043 T
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0121  
   Revision: D1000000    Serial number: 01220420132244
   Coding: 4804000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3A708C88B59909560C-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DJ    HW: 8K0 907 063 DJ
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H16 0103  
   Revision: 09016001    Serial number: 00000594190001
   Coding: 06008011403C9FF23F814083000019094F9DC70A23090201000008004400010200020034000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
   VCID: 7AF04C88F519C9564C-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K2 955 119 A    HW: 8T2 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS 160413  H06 0080 
   Serial number: SWF13040160239      
   Coding: 00FD11

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0002 
   Serial number: 21210963            
   Coding: 02005D

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AQ    HW: 8K0 941 531 AQ
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
   Serial number: 00000000000304130720

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K5 941 329     HW: 8K5 941 329 
H01 0031 

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 8K5 941 329     HW: 8K5 941 329 
H01 0031 

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
   Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0003 
   Serial number: 8D3882A6000000000001

1 Fault Found:
01771 - Control Module for Headlight Range (J431) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 213
                    Mileage: 123984 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.05.10
                    Time: 13:43:40


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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 561 C    HW: 8K0 907 561 C
   Component: ACC3          H11 0100  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 003352
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3260A4A86DE9F116C4-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 14: Susp. Elect.        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 376     HW: 8T0 907 376 A
   Component: J250 DRC FahrwerH01 0020  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00875000467600
   Coding: 0000000
   Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
   VCID: 7CFC4A903F2DF7665E-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 N    HW: 8K0 959 655 N
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H45 0610  
   Serial number: 003KFD99PBK$  
   Coding: 30534435363030303030554A3052384B3053
   Shop #: WSC 39620 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
   VCID: 4894E640F3756BC68A-801C

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME792079007

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME78247267H

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME3D2F2D7E3

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME402F2D7CX

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME2D30015AX

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME29303944Y

2 Faults Found:
9444885 - Driver's seat position sensor 
          B101E 15 [137] - Open or Short to Plus
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 123984 km
                    Date: 2020.05.10
                    Time: 13:43:41

9445141 - Passenger's seat position sensor 
          B101F 15 [137] - Open or Short to Plus
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 123984 km
                    Date: 2020.05.10
                    Time: 13:43:41


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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 M    HW: 8K0 953 568 M
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H03 0005  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90372MDF000ZK 
   Coding: 0000FF
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 448CF270C75D4FA666-8010

   Component: E221 - MFL  H03 0004 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 982 J    HW: 8K0 920 982 J
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H35 0556  
   Revision: 00300000    Serial number: UW471W94E     
   Coding: 33EF1100FF012600010400
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7E898CBAA3305E17-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 P    HW: 8R0 907 468 D
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN-M H11 0056  
   Revision: 1Z110028    Serial number: 2841Z134130065
   Coding: 80E3031600
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 4C9CDA50EF0D87E6AE-8018

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181     HW: 8T0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8041 
   Serial number: 4130760303          

No fault code found.

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Address 1B: Active Steering (J792)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 144 L    HW: 8K0 907 144 L
   Component: DYNAMIKLENK.  H06 0720  
   Revision: 50001005    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 030000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 387496808B951B46FA-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels: 8K0-907-163.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 163 B    HW: 8K0 907 163 A
   Component: 4 Wheel Drive H14 0100  
   Serial number: 000704130001397
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN 003019
   ROD: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN.rod
   VCID: 2F66ADDC76DBDCFEAB-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 30: Special Function II (J843)       Labels: 8K0-907-440.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 440 B    HW: 8K0 907 440 
   Component: STS           H04 0020  
   Revision: S0H04000    Serial number: 00000000080260
   Coding: 01010101000000000001000102
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 2D5AB7D474D7AEEE99-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 793 P    HW: 8T0 959 793 G
   Component: TSG FA        H09 0304  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011C02205021410001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
   VCID: 56A8383821C1CD3608-8002

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 8K0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 F    HW: 8K0 909 144 B
   Component: RCEPS         H37 0507  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 0010385889
   Coding: 010001010001
   Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008014
   ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X_008.rod
   VCID: 346CA2B09FFDFF26D6-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 GE    HW: 8K0 907 064 FE
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H12 0633  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0305679616    
   Coding: 013F062220B908808330023280000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
   VCID: 79F25384F01FC24E45-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 951 177 
   Component: DWA-Sensor  H02 0040 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 223 A    HW: 8T1 035 223 A
   Component: DSP Prem      H05 0030  
   Revision: 00005001    Serial number: 94813013557902
   VCID: 2D5AB7D474D7AEEE99-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 792 P    HW: 8T0 959 792 G
   Component: TSG BF        H09 0304  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011C02205C21410001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
   VCID: 55AA3F343CC7C62E01-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 L    HW: 8K0 907 801 J
   Component: EPB-4         H01 0003  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 20000000259907
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001027
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_AU48.rod
   VCID: 3874968083951B46FA-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 061 S    HW: 4G0 035 061 
   Component: Radio U DAB   H60 0154  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 109D%0D7626765
   Coding: 010103010000000001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 2D5AB7D474D7AEEE99-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 5C: Lane Maintain.        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 217 A    HW: 4E0 907 217 C
   Component: J759 HC             0040  
   Revision: 00H08006    Serial number: 600213416000ED
   Coding: 0032201
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 377695BC468B143EF3-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8R2 035 666 L    HW: 8R2 035 666 C
   Component: H-BN-EU       H45 1036  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 206DW0D7525435
   Coding: 120101010306F9FF2F80CF5E00000403E40000020000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 4280F468DD49419654-8016

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 FC
   Component: EUR 2018  2601 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604 A    HW: 8R0 919 604 A
   Component: DU7 High  H42 0104 
   Serial number: A130DZ0D2707877     

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 611 M    HW: 8T0 919 611 H
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H02 0030 
   Serial number: 00000001677305      

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 E
   Component: CD-Database  4949 

1 Fault Found:
03623 - Invalid Security/Release Code 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 213
                    Mileage: 123984 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.05.10
                    Time: 13:43:42

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0004
                    Hex Value: 0x0009
                    Count: 7


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 Q    HW: 8T0 959 795 H
   Component: TSG HL        H07 0304  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010C02204021210001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 59B2330450DFE24E25-800C

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 8T0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 441 C    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
   Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
   Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 525PA8-J3190OQ
   Coding: 1021007
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 387496804B951B46FA-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-794.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 Q    HW: 8T0 959 795 H
   Component: TSG HR        H07 0304  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010C02204021210001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 59B2330450DFE24E25-800C

No fault code found.

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I've not seen any real coding info for those airbag modules. The Coding in them seems to be an ASCII string expressed as a hexadecimal value. My guess is that the equipment is determined using a separate parameter table rather than coding.

If it were mine, I think I would look for some electrical means of making the module believe the position sensors are present.

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Take the sensors off the old seats and wire them back into the loom so the car knows they are there. Whether or not they will be looking for comparison values against its stored values is unknown
 
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Take the sensors off the old seats and wire them back into the loom so the car knows they are there. Whether or not they will be looking for comparison values against its stored values is unknown
Thanks, wish I had the old seats to do this! I did a swap :(
 
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You can buy the loom with the sensors on it but they are £50 per seat. but it needs to connect into the sensor, seat occ mat, belt buckle etc so you must have that partial loom already there but missing the section for the position sensor part
 
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You can buy the loom with the sensors on it but they are £50 per seat. but it needs to connect into the sensor, seat occ mat, belt buckle etc so you must have that partial loom already there but missing the section for the position sensor part
Thanks, will look into this further. I have identified one pin on the black plug where there is no wire but a pin in the male side in the car. Wondering whether there is a way to utilise this and resolve as it looks to be the only pin without anything connected to it
 
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Thanks, will look into this further. I have identified one pin on the black plug where there is no wire but a pin in the male side in the car. Wondering whether there is a way to utilise this and resolve as it looks to be the only pin without anything connected to it
Rather than guess what the function of that pin is, would it not be a good idea to buy a 1 hour subscription to the Audi erWin website and download all the WD for your RS4 as pdf files?
Then not only you would know for sure what the function is of that pin, but you would have the information for future problem solving?
 
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I doubt you will be able to pin it out or something as the sensor looks like a hall sensor or similar defo not a microswitch
 
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Rather than guess what the function of that pin is, would it not be a good idea to buy a 1 hour subscription to the Audi erWin website and download all the WD for your RS4 as pdf files?
Then not only you would know for sure what the function is of that pin, but you would have the information for future problem solving?
I'll take a look, never come across that site before, sounds interesting thank you
 
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Rather than guess what the function of that pin is, would it not be a good idea to buy a 1 hour subscription to the Audi erWin website and download all the WD for your RS4 as pdf files?
Then not only you would know for sure what the function is of that pin, but you would have the information for future problem solving?
I've downloaded all the WD's I could find that were relative to the seats but can't find anything that references the 'Seat Position Sensor' , any ideas where I should be looking?
 
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