2004 TOUAREG V6 3.2L TRIPTRONIC TRANSMISSION PROBLEM

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Good morning,

Recently purchased and repaired a 2004 TOUAREG V6 3.2L that was a crank but no start car. Replaced both fuel pumps and re-wired the drivers side plenum ebox. Now the car is on the road (with many thanks to Dana, Uwe and Jack).

No check engine lights of any kind.

2 warnings regarding brake pads and one flat tire - not concerning.

PROBLEM:

I was driving the car with my wife and I was testing the gear box. Shifting between the normal "D" drive and the manual triptronic gears "1,2,3,4,5,6" for only a moment.

When I went to return the shift lever from the manual triptronic to the auto "D" drive it was difficult to get it back in to "D" drive, but it did resume normal automatic gear shifting.

Then unexpectetly/unwantedly the display on the dash would display the individual gear that it was in "1,2,3,4,5,6" and it would not shift out of the gear that it was in-second gear at the time and the revs went about 3500 going slow in my neighborhood.

I parked the Touareg and put the shift lever back in park. Then shifted back in to "D" drive and everything was again normal.

It happened again this morning on my way to work. Driving along normally in "D" drive and the revs spiked. Again with the dash displaying all of the individual gears "1,2,3,4,5,6" and it was on second gear.

Again pulled over and shifted to park. Again, then shifted to "D" drive and finished the drive to work.

Is there something that could be causing the car to unwantingly shift into triptronic manual mode with no codes or faults?

I will get a fresh auto scan when I get home tonight.

Is this something that I can address with the VCDS cable/software?

Thanks David
 
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Given its behavior with the display, I'm reasonably confident that it will have one or more relevant fault codes stored. Please scan it and post the results. :)

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Yep, there should be a fault code as per Uwe's suggestion and I'm gonna guess ... it'll be related to F189 in some way. If so, check MVB 013 when it acts up:

Code:
013,1,Selector Lever,Position,Range: P/R/N/D/S/Manual/Error
013,2,Multi-Function,Switch (F125),00001001 = P\n00001100 = R\n00000101 = N\n00000110 = D/Tip\n00001111 = S\n00001101 = P-R (Intermediate Position) OR R-N (Intermediate Position)\n00000111 = N-D (Intermediate Position) OR D-S (Intermediate Position)
; 00001001 = P
; 00001100 = R
; 00000101 = N
; 00000110 = D/Tip
; 00001111 = S
; 00001101 = P-R (Intermediate Position) OR R-N (Intermediate Position)
; 00000111 = N-D (Intermediate Position) OR D-S (Intermediate Position)
013,3,Tiptronic Switch,(F189)
013,4,Tiptronic (F189) &&,Tiptronic (E389),000xxxx1 = Tiptronic Switch in Steering Wheel (E389): Down\n000xxx1x = Tiptronic Switch in Steering Wheel (E389): Up\n000xx1xx = Tiptronic Switch in Selector Lever (F189): Down\n000x1xxx = Tiptronic Switch in Selector Lever (F189): Recognized\n0001xxxx = Tiptronic Switch in Selector Lever (F189): Up
; 000xxxx1 = Tiptronic Switch in Steering Wheel (E389): Down
; 000xxx1x = Tiptronic Switch in Steering Wheel (E389): Up
; 000xx1xx = Tiptronic Switch in Selector Lever (F189): Down
; 000x1xxx = Tiptronic Switch in Selector Lever (F189): Recognized
; 0001xxxx = Tiptronic Switch in Selector Lever (F189): Up
Center console F189 problems aren't unheard of (that's the tiptronic switch) however the TCM is located under the passenger seat with wiring run to it along the floor and right side A pillar based on memory. Any wiring on the floor area of the vehicle may have more of those lovely splices (containing magic green fairy dust) so do make sure that all wiring and connection points to/from the TCM are checked before ordering any parts.
 
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Here is the latest scan...

still has a lot of "fault to ground" and "intermittent signal" error messages.

Code:
Tuesday,28,April,2020,18:25:37:54382
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: Dave and Joey's Bone-Yard

VIN: WVGBC77L34D064021   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 7L (7L - VW Touareg (2003 > 11/2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 29 32 34 36
          37 39 3C 46 47 55 56 57 64 65 68 69 6C 6D 6E 75 76 77
 
VIN: WVGBC77L34D064021   Mileage: 252770km-157063miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BMX.lbl
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 BF    HW:             
   Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G   9779  
   Coding: 0000133
   Shop #: WSC 19226 444 59215
   VCID: 50F97738A6FE7567197-5160

15 Faults Found:
17069 - ECM Power Relay Control Circuit 
            P0685 - 004 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
16660 - Fuel Injector #6 (N84) 
            P0276 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17833 - EVAP Purge Valve (N80) 
            P1425 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
16645 - Fuel Injector #1 (N30) 
            P0261 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
16651 - Fuel Injector #3 (N32) 
            P0267 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
16657 - Fuel Injector #5 (N83) 
            P0273 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17880 - EVAP Leak Detection Pump 
            P1472 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17843 - Secondary Air Pump Relay (J299) 
            P1435 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
16654 - Fuel Injector #4 (N33) 
            P0270 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17457 - Bank1; Exhaust Cam Adjustment Valve 1 (N318) 
            P1049 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17925 - Power Supply Relay for ECU 
            P1517 - 008 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent
17935 - Camshaft Timing Adj. Bank1 (N205) 
            P1527 - 002 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
18032 - MIL Request Signal Active (Check TCM for errors too!) 
            P1624 - 008 -  - Intermittent
17887 - Brake Boost Vacuum System 
            P1479 - 008 - Mechanical Failure
16840 - EVAP System 
            P0456 - 002 - Very Small Leak Detected
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09D-927-750.clb
   Part No: 09D 927 750 BD
   Component: AL 600 6Q           0582  
   Coding: 0004153
   Shop #: WSC 19419 444 53362
   VCID: 71BFD2BC0DB45C6F369-5160

2 Faults Found:
01045 - Tiptronic Switch (F189) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent - MIL ON
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent - MIL ON

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7L0-907-379-MK25.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 907 379 D
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25     0108  
   Coding: 0014337
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3A2D35901042DF37C73-5160

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            000 - - - Intermittent

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 909 135 K    HW: 5WK 470 25
   Component:    Kessy            6400  
   Coding: 0000232
   Shop #: WSC 19226 444 59215
   VCID: 2D070ECCD10C788F521-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

3 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
00189 - Control Circuit 2; Relay for Supply Voltage Terminal 50 
            006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 7L6-907-040.clb
   Part No: 7L6 907 040 H
   Component: CLIMAtronic R/L   X 3716  
   Coding: 0000030
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 353726AC395C304F2A1-5160

3 Faults Found:
02100 - Footwell Flap Motor (V261) 
            000 - - - Intermittent
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65) 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
01592 - Air Quality Sensor (G238) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7Lx-937-049-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L6 937 049 K
   Component:                     2703  
   Coding: 0101599
   Shop #: WSC 19400 444 85723
   VCID: 44D14B68628699C7ADF-5160

5 Faults Found:
00978 - Lamp for Low Beam; Left (M29) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00455 - Control Module for Access and Start Control; Comfort CAN (J518) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
02088 - Lights for Auxiliary High Beams 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent
01964 - Control Module for Seat & Steering Column Memory (J136) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01520 - Rain and Light Recognition Sensor (G397) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 C
   Component: 05 Airbag 8.4E++H01 0352  
   Revision: BB36963     Serial number: 00009760      
   Coding: 0012341
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 2313E8F487C8BEFFF45-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 005 0006

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 953 549 D
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul     3301  
   Coding: 0000031
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 40D94778769E85E7897-5160

1 Fault Found:
00455 - Control Module for Access and Start Control; Comfort CAN (J518) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7L6-920-xxx-7LA.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 920 970 RX
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB0 2035  
   Coding: 0007231
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 1E65D900ACAA9317DBB-5160

4 Faults Found:
00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
00455 - Control Module for Access and Start Control; Comfort CAN (J518) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01335 - Drivers Seat/Mirror Position Control Module (J543) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101  
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 19226 444 59215
   VCID: 70B9D7B806BE5567397-5160

3 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
00455 - Control Module for Access and Start Control; Comfort CAN (J518) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01335 - Drivers Seat/Mirror Position Control Module (J543) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 7L6-919-879.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 919 879 
   Component: JCI PathPoint       1700  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 04518B68220659C7EDF-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 0AD 927 755 BE
   Component: TRANSFERCASE        0122  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7F5B04844BE03A1FB0D-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 29: Left Light        Labels: 3D0-909-157.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 157 
   Component: EVG GDL+AutoLWR(l)  0001  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 19226 444 59215
   VCID: 6695B1E0347A8BD753B-51A8

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No: 7L0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzverstellung     0702  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 77ABECA463D0025FF8D-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 39: Right Light        Labels: 3D0-909-158.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 158 
   Component: EVG GDL+AutoLWR(r)  0001  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 19226 444 59215
   VCID: 678BBCE4337092DF68D-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7L0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 959 933 E
   Component: 2K HSG              0201  
   Coding: 0000085
   Shop #: WSC 19419 444 53362
   VCID: 3E2539800C6AF317FBB-4B3C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 701 A
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0201

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L0 959 702 A
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0201

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 7L0 959 703 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0201

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7L0 959 704 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0201

8 Faults Found:
00927 - Terminal 30 (Right) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
01516 - Terminal 30; Left 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00926 - Terminal 30 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00932 - Electric Window Motor; Drivers Side (V147) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent
00933 - Electric Window Motor; Passenger Side (V148) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
00132 - Outside Door Handle Illumination/mirror Light Passenger Side 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00931 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Right (F223) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 7L6-035-180-56.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 035 180 B
   Component: Radio DE2           0016  
   Coding: 0000401
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2C0103C8EA16718745F-5160

2 Faults Found:
00881 - Connection to Speaker Rear Right 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01042 - Control Module; Not Coded 
            000 - -

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels:. 7L6-907-273.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 907 273 
   Component: Reifendruckueberw.  0052  
   Coding: 0211390
   Shop #: WSC 19400 444 85723
   VCID: 75B7E6AC79DC704FEA1-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 7L0-955-119-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L0 955 119 F
   Component: Front Wiper         2416  
   Coding: 0000004
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 376832
   VCID: 372B2CA42350C25F38D-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 6E: Ctrl Head Roof        Labels: None
   Part No: 7L6 919 044 F
   Component: DACHDISPLAY         0530  
   Revision: 00600530    Serial number: 2009289.02    
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3A2D35901042DF37C73-5160

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 08:58, VBatt start/end: 12.2V/12.2V)-----------
 
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I would say you have some source of +12 that's dropping out. Check wiring diagrams to find a common point where the shifter and some of those things that have "Short to ground" faults get power from.

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Good morning,

I have not had a chance to inspect the wiring connections yet in the passenger footwell as Dana replied, but I do have one update.

The Treg will NO longer shift at all into the "D" drive as it did intermittently before and will only shift while in "S" sport mode.

Would this lead more towards a faulty F189 module?
Or does it still sound like a common power draw/bad ground electrical issue?

Thanks and at least its driving :D
 
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Good morning,

After more driving the transmision problem (only driving normally in sport "s" mode) is indeed intermittent. Vary rarely the car will sucessfully enter drive "d" and run normally-instead of manual shift mode 1,2,3,4,5,6 (with the shifter in the "d" position, but this is still rare)

Given all of the electrical issues that I have had with the driver's side plenum ebox I am hesistant to start anywhere else before ruling out the ebox.

Thus, I rented an electrial tool (below) to test the receptacles in the ebox with the relays removed. Here are the reading that I got.

The meter tests the 30, 86 & 85 pin receptacles for Ground "G" for Green & Power "R" for Red. I have marked any non-reading as "X".

I tested all (4) 404 relays and the #53, #100 & #167 relays.


404 relay #1 (XR) (XR) (GR)
404 realy #2 (XR) (XR) (GR)
404 relay #3 (GR) (XR) (GR)
404 relay #4 (GR) (GR) (XR)

#53 relay (XR) (XR) (GX)

#100 relay (GR) (XR) (GR)

#167 relay (GR) (XR) (GR)

QUESTIONS: THIS MAY BE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT SHOULD ALL OF THE 30, 86 & 85 RELAY PIN RECEPTACLES BE READING (GR)-meaning good power and ground at each?

Thank you very much in advance as always and HAPPY V-DUBBING!!! :cool:





 
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Questions regarding the shifting problem (car will not enter "d" drive or shift between manual triptronic gears)...

Could this issue be caused solely by faulty magnets on the triptronic shifter?

I read a few threads regarding problems with the magnets on the transmission shift lever and thought that this could be a possibility.

Thanks,
Dave
 
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Yes, I am now, but I apparently still do not know how to properly post pics.

What do you think Uwe of faulty shift lever magnets as the root of my shifting problem?
 
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Yes, I am now, but I apparently still do not know how to properly post pics.
You need to host them on a site that doesn't care who is requesting them. I like imgur.com but there are plenty of others.

What do you think Uwe of faulty shift lever magnets as the root of my shifting problem?
I am not familiar enough with the shifter in question to make an intelligent comment, sorry.

-Uwe-
 
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Wiring problem......or corrosion in shifter from maybe a sugar beverage spilled or water ingress?
 
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