If you look hard enough, you can find anecdotal cases of just about anything.Seems getting Covid-19 and recovering doesn't always give you immunity
not to mention the false positivity rate on tests. Cant find the article now but saw article where the cdc was lot testing kits back before summer over 50% showed positive even though no sample was taken.If you look hard enough, you can find anecdotal cases of just about anything.
Notice they say nothing about underlying conditions? What's this guy's BMI? What's the likelihood he's got some condition that compromises his immune system? People his age with serious symptoms generally aren't healthy to begin with.
Right now they're "turning the crank" too many times on the PCR test, setting the CT value to 37 or even 40, which produces a "positive" result even when there's just a minuscule amount of viral RNA present, but no actual 'live' virus. This produces a high number of "cases" (positive test results) that are not indicative or a clinical case or even any symptoms. Even the NY Times has admitted this:not to mention the false positivity rate on tests. Cant find the article now but saw article where the cdc was lot testing kits back before summer over 50% showed positive even though no sample was taken.
The implication here is that having it and recovering it doesn't confer any immunity. I don't think that's a valid conclusion at all. I found another story that tries to run this line and cites a second example of someone who was infected (and symptomatic) twice. The second example was an 89 year old cancer patient getting chemotherapy!
If my memory serves me correctly (it may not as I'm old!) the "common cold" is also form of coronavirus and most of us keep getting "the common cold" probably because of its ability to rapidly mutate?Oh, and if getting the disease itself confers no immunity, how is a vaccine supposed to work?
Most common colds are caused by rhinoviruses, but some fraction of them (15-30% depending on who you ask) is thought to be caused by coronaviruses.If my memory serves me correctly (it may not as I'm old!) the "common cold" is also form of coronavirus and most of us keep getting "the common cold" probably because of its ability to rapidly mutate?
Yes, that's entirely possible. There have also been some major fiascos with coronavirus vaccines for animals.I remember reading one other recent report suggesting that Covid-19 has already been seen to mutate so surely it's possible that if a vaccine is too focussed on a particular characteristic of the "first wave" of Covid-19 that the vaccine may be ineffective, or at best partially effective, against a mutated strain of Covid-19?
If hospital admissions and deaths are that rare in a population of 30,000 people being studied, why exactly do we need a vaccine?Tal Zaks, chief medical officer at Moderna, told The BMJ that ... Hospital admissions and deaths from covid-19 are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30 000 people.
@Uwe: Indeed it is - worth reading!!The whole thing is worth reading,The world has bet the farm on vaccines as the solution to the pandemic, but the trials are not focused on answering the questions many might assume they are. Peter Doshi reports As phase III trials of covid-19 vaccines reach their target enrolments, officials have been trying to project calm...www.bmj.com
DonHistory shows many examples of serious adverse events from vaccines brought to market in periods of enormous pressure and expectation. There were contaminated polio vaccines in 1955, cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome in recipients of flu vaccines in 1976, and narcolepsy linked to one brand of influenza vaccine in 2009.
@Jack@European_Parts: hmm......... perhaps? But more likely, maybe it is because the populous at large wants early access to a vaccine??Is it because the vaccine is a possible alleged herding to sterilize or induce the new ethnic cleansing & with zero liabilities, or new experiments by some sick people to make a ton of money on treating ailments by Government subsidy, draining peoples wealth and assets since insurance is almost impossible to purchase, I wonder?