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If only people realized... The mask doesn't protect you from other people, it protects other people from you (to some, notable, degree)
Yes we had this discussion already every study the cdc referenced from 1942 - jun 2020 said no significant difference in transmission of cold or flu with mask wear out side a clinical setting (i.e. public places). the same studies showed masks to be effective in clinical settings. Now in 2020 when when they want the panic to continue all the sudden we have all these new studies that show how effective the masks are, wow what a coincidence.
 
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Yes we had this discussion already every study the cdc referenced from 1942 - jun 2020 said no significant difference in transmission of cold or flu with mask wear out side a clinical setting (i.e. public places). the same studies showed masks to be effective in clinical settings. Now in 2020 when when they want the panic to continue all the sudden we have all these new studies that show how effective the masks are, wow what a coincidence.
I really don't think we are being oppressed by "Big Mask".

If you're outside, or not within coughing distance for an extended period of time, then yeah it's probably not necessary. But that often times isn't the case. Places like the grocery store you absolutely should have the mask on. You're breathing small bits of spit all over the food which is a huge hazard. Outside? Not really a big deal.
 
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Look at what we have here:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/02/heal...cross-reactivity-immunity-wellness/index.html

Even CNN is starting to consider the possibility that there natural resistance due to T-cell cross-reactivity, and that this might lower the herd immunity threshold correspondingly:
f you have 50% already in a way immune, because of these existing immune responses, then you don't need 60 to 80%, you need 10 to 30%
This does fit the observed data very well; look at the places like northern Italy or NYC that were hit hard early on; once they hit roughly 20%, infection rates declined, and we're now starting to see the same pattern in FL, AZ, TX, etc.

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https://www.redstate.com/michael_th...sion-about-lockdowns-but-masks-are-no-better/


...As I pointed out in my May column on this and other dangerous lockdown-lies, “if you look closely at all those explanations we were given of what “social distancing” is supposed to accomplish, you’ll see that great care is always taken never to claim that fewer people will contract COVID-19.”

That’s because social distancing can’t decrease the number of infections. Nothing short of developing an effective vaccine can.

For the virus to go away, enough of us have to become immune to deprive it of a sufficient number of carriers to reach the rest. Until that threshold for herd immunity is reached, the COVID-19 virus isn’t going away. And neither lockdowns nor any other measures designed to slow down the rate at which it spreads do anything to lower its threshold for herd immunity.

In far too many cases those pushing for lockdowns encouraged the false belief that we were going to lower the ultimate number of people contracting COVID-19 by failing to explicitly acknowledge that the point of lockdowns was, instead, only to get “the same large number of patients arriv[ing] at the hospital at a slower rate.

Here’s the Center for Global Development’s resident expert on global outbreak preparedness, Jeremy Konyndyk, in the middle of a long techno-rant urging us to flatten the curve, but, nonetheless, admitting we’ll wind up with the “same number of cases.”
Here’s a Washington Post ode to the beneficent wonders of social distancing, informing us with surprising and commendable honesty that “the reason [to engage in social distancing] isn’t that it will stop the virus; it’s likely the same number of people will ultimately still get sick.”
Here’s infectious disease specialist Cherise Rohr-Allegrini trying to prepare us for the effort flattening the curve will require, but noting that the point isn’t to lower the number of infections but instead to “spread that same number of cases over a longer period of time.”

The average age of those who succumb to the virus is 78 years old. That’s the average age.

In fact, of the 10 countries where data on the median fatality age is available, there isn’t a single one in which it’s less than 80. In Sweden, whose leaders decided against locking down, the median fatality age is 86.

A disease so “deadly” that in No-lockdown Sweden where schools, bars, restaurants, hairdressers etc etc all remained open, with no masks. The median age of fatalities is 86-years-old. That’s higher than the average life expectancy. pic.twitter.com/rMdJ22ZCWO

— paint it black (@CollinsMikeyc) July 16, 2020

The relentless state of fear most Americans have been driven into is completely unjustified. We have a ton of data now and it’s clear that COVID-19 is no more deadly and, indeed, likely less deadly to the young and healthy than the seasonal flu.

In fact, even COVID-19’s high U.S. death rate among the elderly is largely a result of the inexplicable decision by several Democratic governors to force infected patients into nursing homes.

If you remove just six states with extraordinarily high nursing home deaths from the data, COVID-19 never even reached the CDC’s definition of an epidemic.


Apart from only increasing the amount of time we have to deal with COVID-19, wearing masks, assuming they are effective, creates the impression that we need to fear COVID-19 more than the flu, feeds the state of panic Americans are in, and delays our return to normal living.
 
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Look at what we have here:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/02/heal...cross-reactivity-immunity-wellness/index.html

Even CNN is starting to consider the possibility that there natural resistance due to T-cell cross-reactivity, and that this might lower the herd immunity threshold correspondingly:


This does fit the observed data very well; look at the places like northern Italy or NYC that were hit hard early on; once they hit roughly 20%, infection rates declined, and we're now starting to see the same pattern in FL, AZ, TX, etc.

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I wouldn't watch that video even if little bRian sTelter wore a pair of dirty underwear inside out for a mask. Screw CNN......
 
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https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/08/04/the-case-for-masks-has-taken-another-body-blow/

Now, the case for masks has taken another body blow as we are seeing large spikes in heavy mask wearing countries like Japan and the Philippines.




Just as in the past, we again see absolutely no correlation between masking and case loads. Scandinavian countries have almost non-existent masking and absolutely no mandates. Their case loads and deaths have been some of the lowest in Europe. Sweden is the exception, but they also took a more “controlled avalanche” strategy, which has now led them to basically no new cases and deaths after they’ve likely reached herd immunity. They will almost assuredly not see a second wave at all while places like France are seeing a resurgence.


Face masks in public places are not necessary, based on all the current evidence,’ said Coen Berends, spokesman for the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment. ‘There is no benefit and there may even be negative impact.’

This is a bold but highly controversial stance – especially as fears grow of a second wave sweeping through Europe. Last week, Downing Street joined the global stampede to enforce face masks in public spaces such as shops, supermarkets and stations, following Scotland, Spain and France, along with Holland’s neighbouring nations of Belgium and Germany.

The negative impacts are obvious. Keeping your face cooped up in a damp piece of cloth all day is a breeding ground for bacteria. They also encourage far more touching of the face, which is a primary vector of the spread of coronavirus. Perhaps that’s why we’ve seen spikes mostly after masking became in vogue? Then there are the respiratory issues associated with masks.

While real PPE can be effective for doctors and nurses if used properly, throwing a piece of cloth on your face with a fancy plastic breather hole is doing little to nothing to stop the coronavirus. The cheaper paper masks that were mainly used to hang drywall before the pandemic are certainly not doing much of anything. They were always designed to stop large dust particles, not microscopic droplets.
 
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wow posted the link to the mask report on FB and they deleted link and replaced it with "website not found"
 
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I'll still wear a mask, when I'm out and about, anyway.
You are certainly free to do that if you wish.

However, there are some good arguments to be made that their improper use by the general public is actually counter-productive, and many (perhaps most?) people use them improperly.

A mask, like any other air filter, concentrates contaminants on its surface. You wear it out and about, but you take it off to eat or take a drink. When you put it down, you've just contaminated the surface you've put it on with whatever's on the mask, and if the surface you've placed it on is contaminated, you've contaminated the mask.

This time of year, it's quite uncomfortable to wear one anyplace that's not climate-controlled, which causes people to fiddle with them and touch either the mask or their faces. If the mask is contaminated, they've just contaminated their hands. If their hands are contaminated, they've just contaminated the mask or their face.

Check into the training that health care professionals receive regarding the proper donning, doffing, and use of masks and tell me the general public is willing or able to come anywhere close to that? I don't think so!

Moreover, a mask cannot be re-used safely without being santitized. Yet lots of people wear the same fancy "reusable" mask day after day without doing a damn thing to clean it.

I'll wear one inside a store or other indoor facility if I'm required to. It will be a brand-new 30-cent "surgical" style one, which will be donned with clean hands before I go in there. I will not touch or remove it while inside. I will doff it using the ear-loops only the moment I leave the place, and dispose of it right then and there. So if a place requires masks, they'd better have a trashcan outside the door as well, because I'm not going to put a used mask in my car.

Personally, my sense is that we'd accomplish more with good hand hygiene than masks, but of course it's far more difficult tell when or how thoroughly a person last washed their hands than it is to see if they're wearing a mask, which makes hand hygiene rather difficult to enforce.

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wow posted the link to the mask report on FB and they deleted link and replaced it with "website not found"
Why am I not surprised?

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Deaths did increase after the increase in cases, but now cases are on the decline and the number of deaths is holding relatively steady. More or less what I anticipated would happen. Proportionally (notably) less than the initial wave, but that we would see an uptick.
 
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Deaths did increase after the increase in cases
But not at all proportionately to the new cases:



That means the Case Fatality Rate is now much lower than it was in the spring.

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No Cell phones, maybe kids should wear a Go Pro camera and upload to dirt collection cloud?

How about home school and direct tax moneys back to tax payer or home that teaches their own kids?


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/08/12/over-900-in-georgia-district-quarantine-as-high-school-shut/24589044/



Over 900 in Georgia district quarantine as high school shut
LOL!!!!!!!!!! Fort Worth school district wants to raise taxes to deal with the "increased" costs of online education

edit: they can never get enough of our money, and you are greedy if you point out that it is your money.
 
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https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/d...ding-use-hydroxychloroquine-treating-covid-19

Doctors Pen Open Letter To Fauci Regarding The Use Of Hydroxychloroquine
for Treating COVID-19
by Tyler Durden
Sat, 08/15/2020 - 22:00
Authored by George C. Fareed, MD Brawley, California Michael M. Jacobs, MD, MPH Pensacola, Florida Donald C. Pompan, MD Salinas,
California,


Dear Dr. Fauci:

You were placed into the most high-profile role regarding America’s response to the Coronavirus pandemic. Americans have relied on
your medical expertise concerning the wearing of masks, resuming employment, returning to school, and of course medical
treatment.

[....]

[EDIT]Remainder snipped. Please don't quote an article from another site in its entirety. That's a copyright violation.[/EDIT]
 
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https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/d...ding-use-hydroxychloroquine-treating-covid-19

Doctors Pen Open Letter To Fauci Regarding The Use Of Hydroxychloroquine
Wow. Lots of big words. Why would Fauci and everyone else who doesn't wear a MAGA hat ignore all those big words? Seems they're all missing an opportunity to save a ton of money and be big damn heroes at the same time. Very very weird! Unexplainable!

Let's step through the possibilities:

1) There is a planet-wide conspiracy involving almost all governments (to kill off those pesky citizen-taxpayers) and almost all physicians (who are all exploiting some secret exception to their Hippocratic oath and basic human morals to enjoy watching their patients suffer) in service of some unknown goal.

2) Everyone already tried it, back in the spring and early summer, and it didn't fucking work.

What could it be?
 
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This is a good website:

https://c19study.com/

From all the signs shown, HCQ appears to be effective if used when symptoms first appear, but it is not useful to those who are already in high water with the disease.
 
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