2010 Polo ABS Off-Line

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Hi All,

My first post on this forum. My nieces VW Polo 6R 1.2s has an issue. The red ABS light, amber steering wheel light and red exclamation symbols are lit up in the instrument cluster. Also, the speedometer does not move always at zero. The rev counter is okay and the car drives and brakes perfectly fine. I have changed the ABS module but still have the following errors after running VCDS.

I have (in chronological order):

(a) Firstly cleaned the fuse plate on top of the battery of any oxidation and checked all fuses
(b) Replaced the fuse plate on top of the battery
(c) Cleaned all the earth points (Battery negative, and the two earth points with brown wires below the airbox)
(d) Changed the battery for a new Varta E44 Silver Dynamic 77ah
(e) Checked for oxidation on the ABS wiring loom connector to the ABS module/controller
(f) Checked for oxidation on the two connectors to the ECU
(g) Checked the connector at the back of the instrument cluster
(h) Changed the ABS control module for a second-hand part

The first time that I experienced a problem with this car, the speedometer was working intermittently and the ABS and above warning lights were lit intermittently too. However, they are always on now when the car is used and the speedometer does not work at all.

Can anyone help with providing any further advice please? I cannot seem to find a wiring diagram as I would like to check the power feed into the ABS module - any hints on how to fault find the wiring would be greatly appreciated!

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Sunday,05,April,2020,16:37:23:01140
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.0.1 (x64)
Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
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VIN: WVWZZZ6RZAU042526   License Plate: FV10ZVH
Mileage: 137230km-85270mi   Repair Order: 20200405a



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Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 56

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZAU042526   Mileage: 137230km-85270miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (CGP)       Labels: 03E-906-033-AZQ.lbl
   Part No SW: 03E 906 023 L    HW: 03E 906 023 L
   Component: SIMOS91 1.2l 4V     4489  
   Revision: --H04---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   VCID: 285FF51798F76FC66A-5140

1 Fault Found:
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            P1649 - 009 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
Readiness: 0010 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes
Cannot be reached

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 H    HW: 6R0 820 045 H
   Component: Climatic       24 0660  
   Revision: 00 10 24    
   VCID: 3365127B92311C1ECF-8066

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 187
                    Mileage: 137231 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.08.12
                    Time: 23:10:38


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 085 B    HW: 6R0 937 085 B
   Component: BCM PQ25 M+   H46 0207  
   Revision: BB046001    Serial number: 0143 047100238
   Coding: 64B02BBF08A10048002000003D2B0C900040410F60060000200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   VCID: 3A7B3F5FB55BED560C-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 R    HW: 6R0 959 802 R  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 0903 
   Serial number: KU0-KU008.01.1013907
   Coding: 18BC30

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 T    HW: 6R0 959 801 T  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 0902 
   Serial number: KU0-KU021.01.1010764
   Coding: 08BC30

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 C    HW: 6R0 959 655 C
   Component: VW10Airbag00B H09 0018  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003DW00CBGDE
   Coding: 003042
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 428B47BFD58BA59654-8016

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3572SRB40000AC149925

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3582SRB40000AC1919AB

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3516GRB402LCT8IUPRI5

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3526GRB40279MGGL6SI4

1 Fault Found:
12656896 - Databus 
          U1122 00 [009] - Implausible Message
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 187
                    Mileage: 137231 km
                    Date: 2020.03.21
                    Time: 23:11:16


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6R0 920 960 C    HW: 6R0 920 960 C
   Component: KOMBI         H03 0207  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 440200
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 35612C639445022EE1-8060

1 Fault Found:
12656896 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [009] - -
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 187
                    Mileage: 137231 km
                    Date: 2020.03.21
                    Time: 23:09:29


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 085 B
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0207  
   Coding: 002300
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   VCID: 70EFDD77A3A76706F2-8024

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 187
                    Mileage: 137231 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.08.12
                    Time: 23:11:26


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H03 0207  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03006
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6ADBCF1F8D7B9DD6BC-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11250
   Shop #: WSC 31414  
   VCID: 2F6D1E0BEA1938FEAB-807A

2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
            79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 5M0 035 156 B    HW: 5M0 035 156 B
   Component: Radio         510 0521  
   Revision: R0510002    Serial number: VWZ5Z1K0260340
   Coding: 0000020002
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 31414
   VCID: 285FF5175BF76FC66A-807C

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:26)--------------------------

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Address 15: DTCs cleared
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Address 19: DTCs cleared
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Address 56: DTCs cleared
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Address 15: DTCs cleared
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Address 17: DTCs cleared
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When the communication issue is sorted the coding from the original unit should be accepted. Per an earlier e-mail (when the original ABS was occasionally communicating) it was:

Code:
        Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
        Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
        Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001
        Revision: --------
        Coding: 230224E3216D00B2C42624E684D100801100
6R0 907 379 AJ was revised 5 times .. so if the wiring is OK you may want to consider the possibility that the 2nd hand module may be flaky. I hope not - but we encounter that with used MK60EC1 modules often and it can make someone second guess their original diagnosis because the replacement was used with the same (old) part number.
 
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When the communication issue is sorted the coding from the original unit should be accepted. Per an earlier e-mail (when the original ABS was occasionally communicating) it was:

Code:
        Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
        Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
        Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001
        Revision: --------
        Coding: 230224E3216D00B2C42624E684D100801100
6R0 907 379 AJ was revised 5 times .. so if the wiring is OK you may want to consider the possibility that the 2nd hand module may be flaky. I hope not - but we encounter that with used MK60EC1 modules often and it can make someone second guess their original diagnosis because the replacement was used with the same (old) part number.
Hi Dana, Many thanks for your email support and reply to my post. Was hoping that the abs module replacement was going to sort out the communication. Like you say, it could be that the second hand part may also be faulty. Just thought to check the power, grounds and canbus for the abs module to try narrow down further. Kind Regards, Andrew
 
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Many thanks, just downloaded the wiring diagrams that you kindly posted ��
 
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Many thanks Uwe!
 
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There is an ESP9.0i for the 6R. When a 9.0i is connected to 8.2i wiring (2010 has 8.2) the +15 contact and CAN wires are in a different location. Make sure you don't have this situation
If so, change wiring or ABS module
 
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Hi iichel,

Do you have the pinout for the abs module wiring loom connector? With power and earth pins labelled?

Kind Regards,

Andrew
 
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Here was my auto-scan when the ABS module was working:

Code:
Wednesday,20,November,2019,12:42:27:01140
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBU000140   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 56

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBU000140   Mileage: 106860km-66399miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (CGP)       Labels: 03E-906-033-AZQ.lbl
   Part No SW: 03E 906 023 L    HW: 03E 906 023 L
   Component: SIMOS91 1.2l 4V     8394  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 00490 210 84728
   VCID: 285FF51798F76F0FCF-5122

No fault code found.
Readiness: N/A

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 230224E3216D00B2C42624E684D100801100
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   VCID: 06039BAFB523597F9D-8052

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 J    HW: 6R0 820 045 J
   Component: Climatic       25 0660  
   Revision: 00 11 25    
   VCID: 35612C639C4502E744-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 086 F    HW: 6R0 937 086 
   Component: BCM PQ25 M++4 H46 0221  
   Revision: BD046001    Serial number: 0343 134100043
   Coding: 24B02BBF08A10000003000003D2B0CD00040410F60060000200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   VCID: 3F8D4E4BAE79C8B79E-806A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 R    HW: 6R0 959 802 R  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 0903 
   Serial number: KU0-KU005.05.1014534
   Coding: 18BC30

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 T    HW: 6R0 959 801 T  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 0902 
   Serial number: KU0-KU005.05.1012142
   Coding: 08BC30

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 F    HW: 6R0 959 811 F
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 0902 
   Serial number: KU0-KU010.05.1013892
   Coding: 08BC32

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 F    HW: 6R0 959 812 F
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 0902 
   Serial number: KU0-KU016.05.1010284
   Coding: 08BC32

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10Airbag00N H08 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX002KT5M
   Coding: 00304E
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 4A9B6F9FEDBB7D1F39-801E

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3572SRB40000B6D1325%

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3582SRB40000B7C099FM

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515RRB40616SD5OFGTB

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525RRB40616SD5O2H1F

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6R0 920 960 F    HW: 6R0 920 960 F
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0304  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 440200
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04086
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW23.rod
   VCID: 387F25578357FF8F5F-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 086 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0221  
   Coding: 002300
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   VCID: 70EFDD77A3A767CF57-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0304  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6ADBCF1F8D7B9D1F19-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11250
   Shop #: WSC 31414  
   VCID: 2F6D1E0BEA1938370E-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 5M0 035 186 AA    HW: 5M0 035 186 AA
   Component: Radio RCD310  016 0049  
   Revision: 01000000    Serial number: VWZ1Z2K7094338
   Coding: 0500040002
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
   VCID: 6BD5CA1B8A81841762-803E

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:34)--------------------------
The second hand part that I purchased was also 6R0 907 379 AJ and 6R0 907 379 AF H05 (does this signify that it is still 8.2?)
 
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That is still 8.2i so you don't have to change your wiring. Did you already check your current wiring?
 
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Thank you, that's good to hear.

Not yet, I'm going to have a look today.

By the way, I used to live in Den Haag and work in Rijswijk for Shell ��
 
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Haha it's a small world then :) I work for the government as a data scientist. Hope you had a nice stay here in Holland
 
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Haha it's a small world then :) I work for the government as a data scientist. Hope you had a nice stay here in Holland
Yes, I enjoyed my stay in the Netherlands. Still keep in touch with friends there.

I've managed to check the power in T38/1 & T38/25 via grounds at T38/13 & T38/38. 12v measured so power feed is good via the connector.

How do I check T38/35 using my multimeter?
 
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Just checked, it's around 11.8v from T38/35 to ground pin T38/13.

So, does this mean that my second hand abs module is flaky?
 
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Can you also verify can is good? A 'quick and dirty' method is too measure voltage vs gnd (should be around 3.5V on both high and low).
 
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Thank you, I'll check T38/26 and T38/14 for CAN high and low respectively. If this is 3.5V then what will be the next step?

By the way, when I started having problems with this ABS system, prior to the replacement module installation, there was a really loud popping sound from the abs pump area. Could this be a sign that the actual pump failed too. Would a faulty abs pump cause the electronics in the abs module to be destroyed too? Just wondering if I should replace the complete abs pump and abs module next and to bleed the brake system...
 
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Did you check the voltage under load? Jack would say that asshole fuses can give asshole voltages. Meaning a hairline crack or corroded fuse can still give an unloaded voltage of 12v.

If power GND and can are verified to be good, I'd start blaming a faulty module.
 
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Yes, all associated fuses were changed for new ones.

When I made the checks today, the car key was on ignition but the engine was not running. For access to the abs connector, I removed the airbox and ecu.
 
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Managed to purchase another second hand abs module complete with pump. Is it okay to simply disconnect the connector and attach it to this pump and then use VCDS to see if I regain comms? Is this possible/safe to do without the risk of damaging other components on the vehicle?
 
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