Vehicle Diagnostic Protection SFD

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If you unlock the control unit with SFD as long as you don't re-lock it , it will stay open for 90 minutes. So you can use whatever tool you desire, tested already;). Also if you get a static/sporadic fault "B184C00 - Activation active" in the control unit, it is normal and it appears when you unlock the control unit with SFD.
It should disappear after the re-lock or after 90 minutes. If not just clear the fault.
 
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Would be great to hear back feedback/ result from this, especially if you unlock with OBDeleven, and disconnect the device, and then connect VCDS would it allow you to access and change coding in the (now unlocked by OBDeleven) SFD protected module?
I think it would.

I have read above uwe says they remain open for 90 minutes, but he hasn’t tested?
No, not with OBDeleven.

OBDeleven them selves are saying the module locks it self after disconnecting their adapter,
I don't see why, unless they explicitly issue a re-lock command when you exit/close the module. In that case, the work-around would be to unlock the module and pull their adapter from the port w/o closing the module.

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I would guess it may Probably be a good idea to get a old/secondhand OBD 11 with lifetime pro membership just as an unlocking device and use VCDS for rest ;)
instead of buying token, the OBDeleven would pay for it self after 2 and a half SFD unlocks
 
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To carry out this coding on a 2021 Skoda Enyaq electric can i use standard Legacy Hex can USB cable or do I have to use newer hex V2 or the Wi-Fi Dongle?

I assume the answer to the above is a NO and i needs newer interface, if that is the case then next question which i also am pretty sure the answer is NO to…. we cant use VCDS through a J2534 Pass thru connection …just for this one coding?

and lastly, this is probably not the right place to ask… but some one may have some experience or advice, how to use SFD tokens on ODIS or do long coding through it to disable seatbelt warning on above vehicle
All 2019 onwards VAG cars need a HEX-V2 or HEX-NET.

VCDS only works with a VCDS cable.
 
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and lastly, this is probably not the right place to ask… but some one may have some experience or advice, how to use SFD tokens on ODIS or do long coding through it to disable seatbelt warning on above vehicle

I don't know how in Norway but in CZ is one thing to have ODIS and second thing GeKo account for SFD unlocking. Both product is not impossible but a bit difficult to get. If VW daler in Your country will give You GeKo account so HEX-V2 or HEX-NET and GeKo is soluthion for You.
would pay for it self after 2 and a half SFD unlocks
Here are tokens directly from VW for free. Of course You mustn't purchase it from some fake-dealers.
old/secondhand OBD 11 with lifetime pro membership just as an unlocking device and use VCDS for rest
I think this is absolutely last solution and I don't like it! I would wait. If there is legal way how to unlock SFD online I believe OBD11 will not be one only product which will know it...
 
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I would guess it may Probably be a good idea to get a old/secondhand OBD 11 with lifetime pro membership just as an unlocking device and use VCDS for rest ;)
instead of buying token, the OBDeleven would pay for it self after 2 and a half SFD unlocks
@Abdul999 : hmm....... whilst I'm not sure that it's kosher to give "the other cable" this much air-space on a Ross-Tech forum - because the suggestion for twin operation of the 2 x diagnostic cables keeps being raised, the answer is NO.

It's NOT possible "to get a old/secondhand OBD 11 with lifetime pro membership". The way that VOLTAS-IT structure their PRO-license for OBD11 is to attach it to the user account (the license isn't attached to the dongle). This means in practice that unless you already have a PRO license, buying any form of OBD11 dongle (new, or old) for the sole purpose of unlocking modules, won't get you a lifetime license!

And in any event, this odd-solution to the current VCDS deficiency is really only of temporary value because it's inevitable that ALL third party diagnostic cables/dongles WILL have the same solution - it's only a question of when!!

I suspect that when Ross-Tech's current negotiations with Volkswagen-AG (this is my unverified assumption) have progressed sufficiently, we will know the answer to this question for VCDS!! ;)

Here are tokens directly from VW for free. Of course You mustn't purchase it from some fake-dealers.
@autocomsoft : Really? Notwithstanding that the word "free" in commerce is a much misunderstood concept, I'm very intrigued - please tell me how?

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@autocomsoft : Really? Notwithstanding that the word "free" in commerce is a much misunderstood concept, I'm very intrigued - please tell me how?
Yes, that is completely for free. As I said GeKo registration is a bit difficult process because the registrator needs many paper documents (e.g. certificate of incorporation) which are needed to send via ground post but on the end You will get GeKo, acces to dealer portal and SFD application. All for free. Maybe it changes if 20k CZ VCDS users will want GeKo too :-) I wanted to share the application on my Video (# 197) however the registrator ewerywhere writes it is stronghly confidential. But as Uwe said that's thanks to EU law and every market is different.
 
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Successfully removed SFD with obdeleven. I have done a couple of test codings to the car, my friend was afraid to change something other than minor personalization stuff -- also i wanted to test the SFD with vcds but not all modules had the codings documented in full, some bits had blank info.

I will be able to test at some point again, did not have too much time with the car, we just exchanged the polen filter and played around with the 2 tools a bit.

Also the computers in the ID.3 seem to have different id's or am i mistaken, i did no research before connecting to the car.

Some pics from the session, sorry for the mess it is still a work in progress, we kind of just finished the building (covid project just me and my dad)

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Yes, that is completely for free. As I said GeKo registration is a bit difficult process because the registrator needs many paper documents (e.g. certificate of incorporation) which are needed to send via ground post but on the end You will get GeKo, acces to dealer portal and SFD application. All for free. Maybe it changes if 20k CZ VCDS users will want GeKo too :-) I wanted to share the application on my Video (# 197) however the registrator ewerywhere writes it is stronghly confidential. But as Uwe said that's thanks to EU law and every market is different.
@autcomsoft: arrrhh....... now I understand!! :thumbs:

Please don't take offense because none is intended - but we have completely different understanding of the word "free". And of course I fully acknowledge that the confusion may well be the result of the fact that English is your second language (actually, your English written language skills are excellent).

If I understand your explanation correctly, instead of "free", I think you mean "at no extra cost" - because to get the tokens, you first need to have registered and paid for a GeKo account (and you need to keep paying the subscription fee). This really means that the true cost of the tokens is embedded into the fees charged for the GeKo account. If the tokens were truly "free", anyone could get them (even if they didn't pay-for a GeKo account)

As I understand, this is the same process that applies in other countries.

Thanks for the clarification

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not all modules had the codings documented in full, some bits had blank info.

@ied3vil: That's because "the other cable" gets it's "codings" descriptors (I assume that you mean long-code) from the same data source as the yellow long code helper screens in VCDS. So there really would be no difference between diagnostic cables/dongles in this respect.

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Please don't take offense because none is intended - but we have completely different understanding of the word "free". And of course I fully acknowledge that the confusion may well be the result of the fact that English is your second language

No problem. That's true. My english isn't good and I wil not explain why. But on the other side I hope I understand word "free" :-)

you first need to have registered and paid for a GeKo account (and you need to keep paying the subscription fee). This really means that the true cost of the tokens is embedded into the fees charged for the GeKo account.

No. No charge for Geko registration, no subscription fee, no charge for tokens.
 
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@ied3vil: That's because "the other cable" gets it's "codings" descriptors (I assume that you mean long-code) from the same data source as the yellow long code helper screens in VCDS. So there really would be no difference between diagnostic cables/dongles in this respect.

Don
Of course. In the past on some newer vehicles some of the bits weren't documented in VCDS either until an update rolled out -- i assume they get everything from odis...
Later edit: From all the softwares to diagnose/code VAG group i think VCDS is the best, i have multiple tools and i still prefere VCDS when i don't need flashing or parametrization or something that it can't do.

Regarding the vw registration, i have started the process but i will be registering a new legal entity for the garage, i don't want to use my other company for this as it is a software company and i'd like to keep things separate. I will let you know on the process, i have been told by a collaborator that there's a 3000 ish euro annual fee which i can't confirm yet, will let you know regarding the process once i start it... As i understood you can pay for access on an hourly/daily/monthly/yearly basis after you get registered.
 
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There is no Geko annual fee in Europe or the UK, you just pay 10€ an hour, you can join for a year but you would be nuts! A day at 25€ is more than sufficient
 
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I will proceed with the paperwork once the new company is created and see, are you completely sure you don't need annual subscription fees? Is VW ok with just having your info so they make sure you don't do stupid stuff with the access?

if it's 25 eur per day you can have a day where you have 2 cars so you get most bang for your buck... does that 10 include gecko?

I just want access for CP and sfd officially and the service information also is worth it... what wires to check what values for sensors etc...
 
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Successfully removed SFD with obdeleven. I have done a couple of test codings to the car, my friend was afraid to change something other than minor personalization stuff -- also i wanted to test the SFD with vcds but not all modules had the codings documented in full, some bits had blank info.

I will be able to test at some point again, did not have too much time with the car, we just exchanged the polen filter and played around with the 2 tools a bit.

Also the computers in the ID.3 seem to have different id's or am i mistaken, i did no research before connecting to the car.

Some pics from the session, sorry for the mess it is still a work in progress, we kind of just finished the building (covid project just me and my dad)

Let me understand better, please, what is the procedure you did follow.
You have unlocked/removed the SFD protection with Obdeleven, and then you did use VCDS to apply the coding, right?
Prior to use the VCDS, did you close the Obdeleven app (that I suppose is sending a relock command) or did you simply remove the Obdeleven tool without closing the app so the keep the SFD "door" open?
 
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I have been using ODIS and GEKO through erWin for many years, I normally only buy an hour as at the end it does not time out until you change the car so you can keep going without sweating to a ticking clock, if you take just an erWin subscription for info on the desktop such as the full current flow, TPI’s and everything the dealer sees, then that is 7€ an hour but times out to the second so a day rate is less stressful. When you have a VAS 1554A you can buy a 1 hour rate and have a play teaching yourself and before that just by signing up to erWin you can do a day rate and have a practice at downloading and saving. I use a pdf fro gram to save the files to disc and I have around 2Tb of files now. I store them under the cars VAG type number so I can quickly use them again. If you are starting up as a garage, get yourself signed up to Parts 24, absolutely priceless and a naughty copy of ETKA is vital. Yes VAG will make you jump through some hoops to get GEKO and for good reason, in the wrong 🙌
 
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It isn’t just Europe but UK too, for now…:(
 
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does anybody know if TT-RS '20 onward models are affected by SFD?
 
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