Side assist retro install in MK6?

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Hello,

I was doing some searching on Google, and stumbled upon this:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/vw-V...-Side-Assist-FOR-Passat-B7-CC/1683757869.html

It is a side assist (Blind spot) indicator that fits in the side mirrors.
I did some more searching and I can not find any info about what is involved in the install of this item.
Does anyone know if it will work in a VW mk6 GTI? Is the mk6 capable in VAG-COM to activate something like this?
The mirrors in mk6 GTI look exactly the same as the ones pictured.

I just found this website, but its all in German (I think) of the install
http://www.bronken.de/sideassist/

any one have any input on this?

Thanks
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I don't think any of the Mk6 Golfs had "front assist" or "lane assist" functions did they? (I believe that only arrived on the Mk7 IIRC). If the Mk6 doesn't then I'm fairly certain it won't have the required electronics to support "side assist" capabilities, or even the option of retrofitting it because whatever control module is needed / responsible for that (probably a different BCM) most likely won't be compatible with the rest of the electronics already on the car.
 
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Gary,
That might be true, but the PLA 2.0 with park assist wasn't available for the MK6 as well, but it can be retro fitted, and it works great from what I see in some videos.
I was just curious if anyone has made an attempt on this. I would love to install this in my car. The Drivers in my area are crazy, and a blind spot indicator would be awesome.

--Mike
 
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I just found this website, but its all in German (I think) of the install
http://www.bronken.de/sideassist/
That page talks about retrofitting Side Assist in a Passat B6. I'll translate the first blue info box for you:

"If you wish to install Side Assist in your Passat B6, you must first install both a B7 Gateway and a B7 Instrument Cluster".

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Uwe,

Thank you for the translation! I was able to translate the entire site using google translate: http://translate.googleusercontent....ssist/&usg=ALkJrhit8fe7RZTghZROJ1uK9a6v9bfy8w

I don't know if these parts are correct, but they may fit into an mk6?

The gateway I believe fits according to the description http://m.aliexpress.com/item/2037530616.html?tracelog=storedetail2mobilesitedetail

The cluster: http://m.aliexpress.com/promotion/instrument-cluster-needles.html?tracelog=wssearch2mobilesearch

If these are correct (I am not sure they are) it looks like this install would be expensive to retro... $500 for the sensors, $40 for the gateway, and $500 for the cluster...
 
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Just so you don't wait for further feedback from me: I have no knowledge whether those parts are correct or would work.

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Well there are certainly a couple of examples of the ''7N0 907 530 AN" CAN Gateway having been fitted to a Mk6 Golf and successfully coded / working so it looks like that is at least compatible. The associated instrument cluster that is needed however is a different ball game as there seem to be a minefield of different part numbers available. I guess you would need a compatible Golf Mk6 cluster unless you know that one from a Passat B7 would physically fit but looking at some pictures though they appear to be different.

Also keep in mind that the immobiliser is in the instrument cluster so if you were to get another cluster, you would also need to deal with coding the immobiliser in the new cluster. I believe the Mk6 Golf has a 5th Generation immobiliser which isn't supported by VCDS.
 
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Passat Cluster won't fit, Immobilser is built into your cluster and not in Passat Cluster.
Your cluster or a newer version might be ok, but you will have to fit the kit to find out.

Also mirrors are different between Passat and Golf 6
 
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Side assist will never apear in Golf / Eos, Tiguan/ Touran cluster menu so you will not be able to Enable / Disable that.
Only Passat cluster can handle it.
ALso - brand new parts are not calibrate. Read about calibration 1st
 
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Side assist will never apear in Golf / Eos, Tiguan/ Touran cluster menu so you will not be able to Enable / Disable that.
Only Passat cluster can handle it.
ALso - brand new parts are not calibrate. Read about calibration 1st

But Passat cluster doesn't have immobiliser.
Or is there way to activate it in there, or also missing hardware inside cluster for pickup coil?
 
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According to Eddie-NL, a Passat B7 cluster won't fit a Golf Mk6 anyway so the lack of an immobiliser in the Passat cluster is going to be pretty much irrelevant.

And with no functionality in the Golf Mk6 clusters to handle side assist capabilities it looks to me like it's probably game over unfortunately.
 
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Yes the outside casing is different, but according to another forum the internal PCB is same.
 
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Good point. Not game over then (yet). Just a bit more work involved to swap the Passat cluster electronics into the Golf cluster casing before it could be tried out.

It would be certainly be interesting to see if the Passat B7 cluster internals are compatible with the Golf Mk6.
 
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it is not only the shape

Immobiliser is not in cluster, so car ecu won't start as it doesn't receive ok to start

Passat has electronic steering lock and has electric handbrake, cluster won't be happy without signal from these
 
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If you can feed me more about your car i can check for you with elsawin if it possible to fit or not possible ..
 
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I currently have a 2011 mk6 GTI White
below is the VCDS Scan I did a few months ago.

Code:
Monday,01,September,2014,16:36:02:34944
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 12.12.2.0 (x64)
Data version: 20140212


VIN: WVWGV7AJ6BW123687   License Plate: 



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Chassis Type: AJ (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 2E 37 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 77

VIN: WVWGV7AJ6BW123687   

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CCT)       Labels: 06J-906-026-CCT.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 AP    HW: 1K0 907 115 AA
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0030  
   Revision: AAH18---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0403010A18070160
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 74C910381733AFBE8FF-8021

2 Faults Found:
050217 - Implausible Data Received from Steering Column Control Module 
               U0429 - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 66565 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2043.14.23
                    Time: 16:29:44

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 98.0°C
                    Temperature: 67.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 12.065 V

005784 - Please Check DTC Memory of Steering Wheel Electronics 
               P1698 - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 66565 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2043.14.23
                    Time: 16:28:41

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 97.0°C
                    Temperature: 69.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 12.065 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BG    HW: 1K0 907 379 BG
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0106  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 114B600C492400FD881106EC92200041B70800
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 78D12408CB5BCBDEA37-802D

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 3C8-907-336.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 336 AJ    HW: 3C8 907 336 AJ
   Component: Climatic      H14 0305  
   Revision: 00009001    
   Coding: 0000001002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatic A01005
   ROD: EV_ClimaBasis_SE36.rod
   VCID: 75CF2D3CD449B6B6B81-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 086 L    HW: 1K0 937 086 L
   Component: BCM PQ35  M   104 0615  
   Revision: 00104 AE    
   Coding: 65180A3880272AC400080081700085C442010086534D8D60648020200040
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3957E10CB0D112D69C9-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 F  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 30091  26  0512 
   Coding: 009795

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 655 B    HW: 5K0 959 655 B
   Component: AirbagVW10G   021 0706  
   Serial number: 003C4R014Z11  
   Coding: 00003031
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01012
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
   VCID: 3957E10CB8D112D69C9-806C

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 339     HW: 5K0 959 339 
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  007 0002 
   Serial number: ---0000R--0005FCK400

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H01 ---- 
   Serial number: 3572MSME036D2058ZZZU

   Crash sensor for side airbag; passenger side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H01 ---- 
   Serial number: 3582MSME70284358ZZZV

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear driver side: 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 3512QSME2C56711EZZZ$

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear passenger side: 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 3522QSME321C6417ZZZS

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 35527SME5F234C23ZZZM

   Crash sensor for front airbag; passenger side: 
   Component: F.Sens.Beif  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 35627SME4A176723ZZZH

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 AH    HW: 5K0 953 549 B
   Component: Lenks.Modul   008 0080  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: WHRPIuswHHHTf 
   Coding: 188A100000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_SE36.rod
   VCID: 76CD2A30C94FBDAEB1B-8023

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542     HW: 5K0 959 542   Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H05 0010 
   Serial number: 0120646             
   Coding: 820000

3 Faults Found:
0516 - Databus 
          U1121 00 [009] - Missing Message
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 133
                    Mileage: 66565 km
                    Date: 2043.14.23
                    Time: 16:24:34

49675 - Control Circuit for Ignition Key Lock Solenoid 
          B114A 13 [009] - Open Circuit
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 133
                    Mileage: 66565 km
                    Date: 2043.14.23
                    Time: 16:24:34

229211 - Cruise Control Switch 
          B1154 13 [008] - Open Circuit
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 173
                    Mileage: 66565 km
                    Date: 2043.14.23
                    Time: 16:28:39


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5K6 920 971 C    HW: 5K6 920 971 C
   Component: KOMBI         H20 0420  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 270F01
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04089
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 354FED3C94C9F6B6781-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 7N0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530     HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H27 5603  
   Revision:   H27       Serial number: 091010F1002062
   Coding: E9807F0640061200000002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: EDFF855CF419FE76C01-80B8

1 Fault Found:
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 128
                    Mileage: 66449 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2043.14.21
                    Time: 00:34:52


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H20 0420  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE36.rod
   VCID: EAF58E400DF7E94EA53-80BF

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 C    HW: 5N0 035 342 C
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0111  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7668751036    
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 2773377456659426FAD-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J794)       Labels: 1K0-035-27x-37.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 274 D    HW: 1K0 035 274 D
   Component: RNS315-NAR    H58 0319  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2M0027834
   Coding: 04010041010006000000000A
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RNS315NARV2UDS 001705
   ROD: EV_RNS315NARV2UDS.rod
   VCID: 256F3D7C24698636C81-8070

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3AA 919 866 B
   Component: NAR_V6N  0051 

2 Faults Found:
1048659 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [009] - -
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 128
                    Mileage: 66449 km
                    Date: 2043.14.21
                    Time: 00:35:10

1048669 - Tuner for Satelite Radio 
          B11CF 53 [009] - Deactivated
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 128
                    Mileage: 66449 km
                    Date: 2043.14.21
                    Time: 00:35:05


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 701 D    HW: 5K0 959 701 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2151  
   Coding: 0001270
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 334BD32452BDE886565-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 74     3001  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3147D92CA8A1DA96249-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 702 D    HW: 5K0 959 702 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2151  
   Coding: 0001270
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3449D03857B3EFBE4FF-8061

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 D    HW: 5K0 959 703 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0001232
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012551
   VCID: 354FED3C5CC9F6B6781-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 D    HW: 5K0 959 704 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0001232
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012551
   VCID: 364DEA3041CFFDAE71B-8063

No fault code found.

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it is not only the shape

Immobiliser is not in cluster, so car ecu won't start as it doesn't receive ok to start

Passat has electronic steering lock and has electric handbrake, cluster won't be happy without signal from these
I did put a passat cluster in my golf today for "testing purposes". It didn't have any active codes in cluster itself, but it did show a ABS/ESP warning on dash, i guess it's because passat ABS is 3C0 and golf is 1K0.
Yes the immobilizer, but maybe some way to enable it? I know it's a long shot, but when i did have passat cluster in my car i was able to have the lighning and convience menu, what we don't have with mk6 cluster.
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I've done this a retrofit seat leon, which not has as option the side assist, i have adapted the Audi A3. My main problem is that modules LED lights do not fit into the mirror, I had to adapt on the pillars inside . my other downside is that the cluster LED alarm is not operating, I guess it's because the EEPROM is not designed for my car this option, despite having the LED indicator on the cluster but not activated. I active on and deactive from the FIS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W10qYSblfR0

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