Instrument cluster 0x17 refused coding

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Hi everyone,

I was attempting to change the coding of the instrument cluster on my friend's 2017 VW Golf to remove the seat-belt warning and after multiple attempts the software refused to code it with the new coding with following error:

Coding Rejected.
Error 31: Request out of range.

I was using my Windows 10 tablet running latest version (19.6.2) and Genuine VCDS HEX+USB adapter. After several attempts, I was scrathing my head and wondering why this is not working. After she left I took the same tool setup back to my 2015 VW Jetta TDI, which I disabled the seat-belt warning back in 2016, ( Using exact same tablet, VCDS HEX+USB and software version 15.7.4.1) but this time trying to re-enable it, I got the same error:

Coding Rejected.
Error 31: Request out of range.

I tried downgrading VCDS software to one version older ( The one I had saved was 18.9.1) with the same results. This made me think something changed from version 15.x.x to the newer versions.

But then, I installed version 18.9.1 on a different laptop computer running Windows 7 and it worked fine on my 2015 Jetta - I was able to recode! I have not tested the 19.6.2 version as of now yet, but I am sure it would work as well. So I guess the problem was with my tablet. What still puzzles me is that the same laptop with Windows 10 worked fine back in 2016, was able to read the coding last night...just could not write the coding back into the instrument controller. So my question is where does Reject error 31 come from? Is that the message from the controller or VCDS does it own checks?


I was undecided if I should post this, but figure out it might help someone else with similar computer issues.

I will try recoding her 2017 VW Golf next time I see her and will post the results!
 
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Auto-Scans would be appreciated for context.

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^^^ hytron: Hi. If I might add to Uwe's suggestion - you are aware that the security code for the hex17 module on MQB platform vehicles (like the Golf) was changed by the boffins in Wolfsburg around mid 2016?

In previous models, the SA was 20103, but in later modules the SA was changed to 47115. Which did you use in your attempt(s)?

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DV52 and Uwe thank you for the reply, I was unaware of that but the vehicle we are talking about is 2015 VW Jetta TDI. I was able to change the coding and disable seat-belt warning back in 2016 using Windows 10 tablet and VCDS version 15.7.4.1. Also, I was able to change setting again today using VCDS 18.9.1 and using different laptop running Windows 7! I am unable to change the setting using Windows 10 and VCDS version 18.9.1. To change the coding I never used the SA.

So update as of now doing all these tests on my 2015 VW Jetta TDI:

- Using tablet with Windows 10 and VCDS version 18.9.1: I am unable to change the settings (The error is: Coding Rejected. Error 31: Request out of range.)
- Using laptop with Windows 7 and VCDS version 18.9.1: I am able to change the settings.

It is either my tables that does not work right or some incompatibility between Windows 10 and VCDS, but obviously only certain things.

Again Thank You so much for the update!

Below is the Auto-Scan from my 2015 VW Jetta TDI:

Code:
Saturday,16,November,2019,22:18:27:33162
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0
Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url]


VIN: 3VW3A7AJ5FM288921   License Plate: TDI2
Mileage: 56700km-35231mi   Repair Order: 16Nov2019_v1



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Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 05 08 09 15 17 19 25 2B 2E 44 56 75 77

VIN: 3VW3A7AJ5FM288921   Mileage: 56700km-35231miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CVCA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 997 016 B    HW: 04L 907 309 K
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H20 9468  
   Revision: 8AH20---    
   Coding: 01190012042410085000
   Shop #: WSC 03054 444 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997016B 004002
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997016B.rod
   VCID: 326B1FEC65AEEBDA1B-8066

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BS    HW: 1K0 907 379 BS
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H46 0166  
   Revision: 00H46001    
   Coding: A14B400C492A0002851402E6921A0042A0100012
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 04078934879A956AF9-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5K0-959-434.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 E    HW: 5K0 959 434 
   Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1202  
   Revision: 00092000    Serial number: 0351533614
   Coding: 000F0F
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00148
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717
   ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_A02_VW36.rod
   VCID: 377D2EF88ECC0EF22C-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 5C0-820-047.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 820 047 CG    HW: 5C0 820 047 CG
   Component: J301  Klimaanlage   0208  
   Revision: 2001001S    Serial number: 00000002531420
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00011
   VCID: 67DDBEB856EC5E727C-8032

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7H0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 7H0 937 090 E    HW: 7H0 937 090 A
   Component: BCM PQ25 Max3 H75 0726  
   Revision: B8075001    Serial number: 0660 309150051
   Coding: 73994B9A08AB0B0008382080040884C50F86702E60000050B0A050022844
   Shop #: WSC 40662 001 104857
   VCID: 306F15E463A2D9CA6D-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AN    HW: 6R0 959 801 AN  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 5461 
   Serial number: 14102585141119092712
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AS    HW: 6R0 959 802 AS  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 5461 
   Serial number: 14102584141112072226
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 5K0 959 591 A
   Component: J245 PS41.402  H02 0003 
   Serial number: 0000FST00014JYM00000
   Coding: 180000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019 
   Serial number: 2331503310100309AC2B
   Coding: 290000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 M    HW: 6R0 959 811 M
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 5460 
   Serial number: 14102587141113070840
   Coding: 800000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 M    HW: 6R0 959 812 M
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 5460 
   Serial number: 14102586141121180508
   Coding: 800000

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 AB    HW: 5C0 959 655 AB
   Component: AirbagVW10    500 0975  
   Serial number: 003LZD042HMV  
   Coding: 00004B33
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00011
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 001030
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
   VCID: 72EBDFECA52EABDADB-8026

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H10 0021 
   Serial number: IBH0000J1500026P3K0+
   Coding: 303146

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3572MSME0B29694AZZZ1

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3582MSME1F242A4AZZZ%

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3516KSME2B2B4C32ZZZ-

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3526KSME2D264C32ZZZY

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3556LSME7D405631ZZZX

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Beif  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3566LSME48190632ZZZS

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5C6 920 954 A    HW: 5C6 920 954 A
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0807  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 270801
   Shop #: WSC 40662 001 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04727
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 2C570194478ABD2A51-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 7H0 937 090 A
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H75 0726  
   Revision: B8075001    
   Coding: 102200
   Shop #: WSC 40662 001 104857
   VCID: 70EFD5E4A32299CA2D-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0807  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000007
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00081
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6ADBC78C8DFE631A63-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5K0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 C    HW: 5K0 905 861 C
   Component: ELV-PQ35      H21 0240  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 14000329256002
   Coding: 4100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00118
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
   VCID: 306F15E46BA2D9CA6D-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3
Cannot be reached

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 306    3501  
   Revision: 00H22000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 397928C070D81882DA-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 188 H    HW: 1K0 035 188 H
   Component: Radio Prem-8  H07 0009  
   Revision: -----12S    Serial number: VWZ4Z7R3655094
   Coding: 01000440020006
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00011
   VCID: 2D510C907490B42246-8078

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 10
                    Reset counter: 196
                    Mileage: 51906 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.04.06
                    Time: 12:20:08


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Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 12E-035-284.clb
   Part No SW: 561 035 285 A    HW: 561 035 285 A
   Component: OCULowUSA     020 0156  
   Serial number: 000003554140532
   Coding: 02630102C21632007F1606000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULow 002009
   ROD: EV_OCULow_002.rod
   VCID: 1427B974FFFA05EA69-8040

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 5N0-035-729.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 729 E    HW: 5N0 035 729 E
   Component: TELEFON       H07 0593  
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007666862500
   Coding: 0A10030080010110
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVUMI 001007
   ROD: EV_UHVUMI.rod
   VCID: 326B1FEC65AEEBDA1B-8066

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:50)--------------------------

Thanks!!!
 
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It is either my tables that does not work right or some incompatibility between Windows 10 and VCDS
I think at this point there are more people using VCDS on Windows 10 than any of the older versions of Windows, so I would consider this unlikely.

Tell us about this tablet, please. Make, Model, CPU, RAM, etc.

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Uwe,

The tablet is Dell Latitude 10 - ST2 with Intel Atom Z2760 @ 1.8GHz (Two cores), 2GB RAM, 60GB SSD (25GB Free) running Windows 10 Pro (1607).

I will borrow a new laptop from work tomorrow to test it out, it very likely could be the tablet, but just not sure why it would read correctly the Fault codes, Measuring Blocks, Coding values, but when it comes to writing it fails with Error 31?

Also, I have just tested using this tablet running VCDS 18.9.1 on my other 2006 VW Jetta TDI and cluster coding works fine!

So combination of Tablet, Windows 10, VCDS 18.9.1 and 2015 VW Jetta TDI does not work for recoding instrument cluster.
Combination of Laptop, Windows 7, VCDS 18.9.1 and 2015 VW Jetta TDI does work fine!


Thank,
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The tablet is Dell Latitude 10 - ST2 with Intel Atom Z2760 @ 1.8GHz (Two cores), 2GB RAM, 60GB SSD (25GB Free) running Windows 10 Pro (1607).
Atom CPUs can be a bit dodgy on newer cars with legacy cables where all the low-level stuff is done by the PC.

I think you're on the right track though -- process of elimination.

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If you can’t disable it via long coding then try adaptions :)

Adaptions -> “seatbelt warning” -> disable

No security access needed
 
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hi all

do you know can you use vcds to enable or disable the Immobilizer in the ECM module? if so what coding do you change?
 
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do you know can you use vcds to enable or disable the Immobilizer in the ECM module? if so what coding do you change?
No, you cannot.

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