Retrofitting ceramic brakes on my Q7 / abs coding question

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Michel R32

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Hi,

i have installed Ceramic brakes on my 2008 audi Q7. to make the install complete, i want to install an abs unit for ceramic brakes. when i check in ETKA (i am not sure if this program has the same name in the US) is has a few types for specific engine types, and one that is specific to ceramic brakes. now i am wondering, if i install the version for ceramic brakes(4l0614517G or J / sw 4l0 910 517 G or F, would it be possible to code it to my v6 tdi engine, since my original abs unit doesn't accept any other coding for other engine types.

or maybe someone has an Q7 with this part number installed and want to test this for me?

Since it is my first post here, i added an auto scan from my car (i hope i did it right)
and for the people who are wondering why someone would install ceramic brakes on a lame v6 tdi...this is my company car and i live in the netherlands, i buy a lot of cars in germany and the standard q7 brakes really don't like to slow the car down on higher speeds. i warped a lot of standard rotors, even upgraded it with a bbk, but now the ceramic brakes, and it really makes a HUGE difference. the only thing is that after being a long time at high speeds the brakes cool down, and they have a real bad response. i hope to solve this problem with installing this abs unit for ceramic brakes.


Code:
Friday,08,November,2019,17:06:49:24514
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUZZZ4L87D082761   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 4L (4F0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 15 16 17 18 19 34 36 42 46 47 4F 52 55
          56 5F 62 69 6C 6F 72 76

VIN: WAUZZZ4L87D082761   Mileage: 107770km-66965miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
34-Level Control -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
6F-Centr. Conv. II -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 059-907-401-ASB.clb
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 401 K    HW: 4L0 907 401 
   Component: 3.0L V6TDI  G000AG  0030  
   Revision: --H04---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0011775
   Shop #: WSC 00001 000 00000
   VCID: AA187EAE05A06B1F59-80FE

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09D-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 09D 927 750 FS    HW: 09D 927 750 FS
   Component: AL 750 6A           1000  
   Revision: 00H64000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000504
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: 8444F016C7445D6F03-80D0

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels:. 4L0-910-517-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 517 A    HW: 4L0 614 517 A
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25E1   0130  
   Revision: 00H22001    
   Coding: 0038017
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: A81C84A61BAC590F4F-80FC

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels:. 4F0-910-852.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 852     HW: 4F0 905 852 B
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV   H31 0220  
   Revision: 31050601    Serial number: 10601100667380
   Coding: 0000131
   Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
   VCID: E386D38A220AFA575A-80B6

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 131 E
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS   H45 0080

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 220 D
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 IDG   H01 0040

No fault code found.

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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 760     HW: 4L0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzmemory BFS  H01 0100  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000896401
   Coding: 0070752
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: E18AD9823816E84748-80B4

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 043     HW: 4L0 820 043 F
   Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH05 0060  
   Revision: 00---012    Serial number: 00000000097018
   Coding: 0002070
   Shop #: WSC 60992 150 70474
   VCID: E18AD9823816E84748-80B4

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 K    HW: 4F0 907 279 
   Component: ILM Fahrer      H17 0240  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 4F0907279     
   Coding: 0015121
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: B12A69C2287618C798-80E4

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L1 910 113   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AU716   H12 0080  
   Coding: 00064792
   Shop #: WSC 31414  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 A  Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH13 0090  
   Coding: 00150059
   Shop #: WSC 31414  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 4L0-910-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 655 B    HW: 4L0 959 655 
   Component: 31 AIRBAG AUDI8RH39 0120  
   Revision: 06H39000    Serial number: 0037GD088WAB  
   Coding: 0013105
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: AC1478B60F54752FAB-80F8

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332QSME1F691205E

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342QSME1E471E4DY

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME1D7A1459R

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME1E493E65Y

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63734SME1D6F504DF

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63834SME1D6B4C5BM

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 549     HW: 4F0 953 549 A
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul H08 0230  
   Revision: 00H08000    Serial number: 90054070190657
   Coding: 0002142
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: E680CA9ED1388F7FBD-80B2

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: Lenkradmodul    H06 0030

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 4L0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 4L0 920 932 D    HW: 4L0 920 932 D
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H09 0207  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: EKV51K93A     
   Coding: 035D630408010008020100
   Shop #: WSC 06443 128 42145
   VCID: AD1275B2F44E7C27BC-80F8

No fault code found.

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 4L0-910-105.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 105     HW: 4L0 815 071 D
   Component: Heizgeraet      H08 0080  
   Revision: 0000000C    Serial number: 00000009014264
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 60992 150 70474
   VCID: E08CDC86331CE14F47-80B4

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 4F0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 907 468 M    HW: 4F0 907 468 F
   Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H06 0035  
   Revision: LB100029    Serial number: 2900L102030102
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: B93A51E23006D08720-80EC

No fault code found.

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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 4L0-910-553.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 553 F    HW: 4L0 907 553 
   Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC    H03 7750  
   Revision: --H03001    Serial number: 15.1528-0095.2
   Coding: 0015520
   Shop #: WSC 00070 000 00000
   VCID: AD1275B2344E7C27BC-80F8

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 760     HW: 4L0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzmemory FS   H01 0100  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000896401
   Coding: 0066658
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: E18AD9823816E84748-80B4

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 4L0-910-793-42.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 793 B    HW: 4L0 959 793 B
   Component: TSG FA          H12 0130  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: xW5
   Coding: 0000715
   Shop #: WSC 53835 000 1048576
   VCID: AF2E6FBA3E420E378E-80FA

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 4L0-910-289.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 289 H    HW: 4L0 907 289 H
   Component: Komfortgeraet   H09 0100  
   Revision: 0100 ---    Serial number: 01185755840000
   Coding: 4464773
   Shop #: WSC 60992 150 83563
   VCID: B5225DD2DC1E34E7C4-80E0

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4L0 035 223 F    HW: 4L0 035 223 F
   Component: BOSE G3 Q7    H02 0020  
   Revision: CH002000    Serial number: 00000000000028
   VCID: A5028D92ACBE446774-80F0

No fault code found.

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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II        Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 280     HW: 4F0 907 280 
   Component: ILM Beifahrer   H10 0080  
   Revision:             Serial number: 00000000219537
   Coding: 0011001
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: DEF0E27E0968D7BF75-808A

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 4L0-910-793-52.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 793 B    HW: 4L0 959 792 B
   Component: TSG BF          H12 0130  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: B
   Coding: 0000715
   Shop #: WSC 53835 000 1048576
   VCID: AF2E6FBA3E420E378E-80FA

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 F    HW: 4F0 907 357 F
   Component: AFS 1           H01 0020  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000022
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: A91A81A200A6600750-80FC

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul links H06 0002

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH06 0002

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4F0 035 053 K    HW: 4F0 035 053 
   Component: Radio U Basic H45 0074  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 341BQ0A7704283
   Coding: 010003010000000000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: A5028D92ACBE446774-80F0

3 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna 
            007 - Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100111
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 107771 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.11.08
                    Time: 17:03:13

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 13.80 V

02982 - Connection between Radio and Impedance Converter 2 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 107771 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.11.08
                    Time: 17:03:11

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 13.80 V

03455 - Function Restriction due to Faults in Other Modules 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 107771 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.11.08
                    Time: 17:03:22

             Freeze Frame:
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000001


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8R1 035 666 L    HW: 8R1 035 666 C
   Component: H-BN-EU       H45 1036  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 205K+0C7556354
   Coding: 18010006020492EF4100BB15EE630000000000020000000002
   Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
   VCID: C1CA390258D6884768-8094

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 GH
   Component: EUR 2019/2020  2901 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4F0 919 604     HW: 4F0 919 604 
   Component: DU7 High  H43 0306 
   Serial number: 9356BQ0A1193236     

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4L0 919 614 B    HW: 4L0 919 614 B
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H01 0060 
   Serial number: 00000001923326      

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 E
   Component: CD-Database  4949 

3 Faults Found:
03276 - Please Check Software Version Management 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 107771 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.11.08
                    Time: 17:04:30

             Freeze Frame:
                    Text: DU9356,Front,M,0,0,6                    

03278 - Functionality Limited due to Missing Messages 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 107771 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.11.08
                    Time: 17:04:38

             Freeze Frame:
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00001000

03623 - Invalid Security/Release Code 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 107771 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.11.08
                    Time: 17:04:29

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0004
                    Hex Value: 0x0009
                    Count: 7


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 4L0-910-795.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 795 B    HW: 4L0 959 795 B
   Component: TSG HL          H21 0050  
   Coding: 0000010
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: B12A69C2287618C798-80E4

1 Fault Found:
02111 - Motor for Window Regulator 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 107771 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.11.08
                    Time: 17:03:01


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Address 69: Trailer        Labels: 4E0-910-383.lbl
   Part No SW: 4E0 910 383 C    HW: 4E0 907 383 C
   Component: ANHAENGERELEKTR 004 0060  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: A40490966784BD6F63-80F0

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 441 B    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
   Component: J772__Rearview      0030  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number: 525PA8-J18430Q
   Coding: 1030201
   Shop #: WSC 00461 211 186159
   VCID: A5028D926CBE446774-80F0

No fault code found.

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Address 6F: Centr. Conv. II        Labels:. 4L0-910-290.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 290 A    HW: 4L0 907 290 A
   Component: ILM HINTEN 2    H05 0060  
   Revision: AAH05061    Serial number: 002401078-----
   Coding: 0000775
   Shop #: WSC 53835 000 1048576
   VCID: A6008A9E11B84F7F7D-80F2

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 
   Component: J_245_EE15_SKB09H10 0180

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 
   Component: J_394_EE15_SKB09H10 0180

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 
   Component: J_392_EE15_SKB09H10 0180

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 4L0-910-795.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 795 B    HW: 4L0 959 794 B
   Component: TSG HR          H21 0050  
   Coding: 0000010
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: B12A69C2287618C798-80E4

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 4Fx-910-283.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 283 G    HW: 4F0 919 283 G
   Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan H12 0060  
   Revision: 00H12000    Serial number: 06330702014423
   Coding: 0231046
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: A81C84A61BAC590F4F-80FC

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:14, VBatt start/end: 14.2V/14.2V)-----------
 
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As far as I know changing abs won't accomplish anything, also coding will be the same because of engine and configuration, also it's just the way ceramic brakes behave, if somebody knows more do share.
 
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Somehow I doubt that ceramic brakes were ever offered in combination with a V6TDI. This means there may not be a "correct" coding possible for this combination.

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Somehow I doubt that ceramic brakes were ever offered in combination with a V6TDI. This means there may not be a "correct" coding possible for this combination.

-Uwe-
that is exactly my question
 
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As far as I know changing abs won't accomplish anything, also coding will be the same because of engine and configuration, also it's just the way ceramic brakes behave, if somebody knows more do share.
coding can be the same, but the software in the ceramic brake abs units are programmed to "touch" the brake a few times during long drives to keep them from getting real cold.

My RS5 and the RS6 i owned before the 5 both had ceramic brakes and they both didn't suffer from this problem as bad as my Q7
 
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