Audi A1 2015 Start/Stop deactivation problem

[VagImports]

Hello guys, I was trying to deactive the start/stop system on an Audi A1 2015, but I coulnd´t.

I´ve tryied with 09-cent elect > byte 26 > bit 7 but it continues working after that coding.
Also I´ve found a adaptation channel related with the start stop in engine module, but it also didn´t work.

Autoscan attached.

Wednesday,30,October,2019,10:30:26:26375
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Workshop Code: 123 12345 000001

VIN: WAURYA8X4HB084151   License Plate: CODING A1
Mileage: 16880km-10488mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 8X-AU21 (8U0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 55 5F 62 72

VIN: WAURYA8X4HB084151   Mileage: 16880km-10488miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CZCA)       Labels:. 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04E 906 027 AL    HW: 04E 907 309 AC
   Component: R4 1.4l TFS   H26 2118  
   Revision: R7H26---    
   Coding: 00250012240401080000
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM14TFS01104E906027AL 001006
   ROD: EV_ECM14TFS01104E906027AL.rod
   VCID: 6E90D86CB1F0023F45-803A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0AM 300 041 K    HW: 0AM 927 769 F
   Component: GSG DQ200G2_PQ  052 2605  
   Revision: 00005026    Serial number: CU501703077095
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 312A0310A84E5DC718-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 907 379 S    HW: 6R0 907 379 BA
   Component: ESP9.0i       H04 0006  
   Serial number: 08511994170319
   Coding: 31DF488B8D2B33C41115106E00528C12B1CC8808000AE3090700
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26 100020
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26.rod
   VCID: 3FCE5528A61ABBB79E-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:* Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8XA 820 043     HW: 8XA 820 043 
   Component: Klima 1 Zone  H01 0010  
   Serial number: 00000000455748
   Coding: 6403280890
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiFrontAU210 007002
   ROD: EV_AirCondiFrontAU210_007.rod
   VCID: 02489CDC9568165FB1-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8X0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 907 063 AF    HW: 8X0 907 063 AF
   Component: BCM PQ35  M   113 0821  
   Revision: AB113821    
   Coding: 06000A2CB805F3C0201841E00104094C43FF630A20EF5922E400878700C1
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 004C96D49364044FA7-8054

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 C    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0004 
   Serial number: 62721791            
   Coding: 02005D

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8X0 951 177 A
   Component: Sensor, DWA 0  005 0002 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 F
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H01 0008 

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8X0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8XA 959 655 A    HW: 8XA 959 655 A
   Component: Airbag10.41   H08 0011  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003NZ004LD2F
   Coding: 30323236303330323439554A304C38584153
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba1041BPAAU210 001018
   ROD: EV_Airba1041BPAAU210.rod
   VCID: 59FA9BB0587E758780-800C

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3554VRB400U59FV2JGOQ

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3575HRB40514D4QC60N1

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3585HRB4061422T4B82K

   Rear Impact Crash Sensor: 
   Serial number: 3515ZRB400A599U2P8R1

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 8X0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 953 521 AE    HW: 5K0 953 569 BD
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   018 0230  
   Revision: FF010018    Serial number: 20170317100709
   Coding: 1894004000
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSR8C 001001
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSR8C.rod
   VCID: 7F4E1528E69A7BB7DE-802A

   Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4G0 951 528 A    HW: 4G0 951 528 A
   Component: E221 - MFL  H08 0010 
   Serial number: 14 02 2017  B0031610

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 8X0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 8XA 920 930 D    HW: 8XA 920 930 D
   Component: KOMBI_MEDIUM  H05 0530  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 11CE01
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_AU10 A04399
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_AU10.rod
   VCID: 4CD472E4E7AC102F0B-8018

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8X0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8U0 907 468 AQ    HW: 8U0 907 468 G
   Component: GAT 4CAN 1L M H13 0090  
   Revision: 1P170044    Serial number: 4441P1731008F0
   Coding: FBCF7057000100010253
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 116AA390C80E7DC738-8044

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 N    HW: 8K0 915 181 N
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0270 
   Serial number: 64073A30043131329254

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663 D    HW: 8K0 959 663 D
   Component: J532_DCDCStab  H23 0022 
   Serial number: 16122900000000000A38

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 8XA 920 930 D    HW: 8XA 920 930 D
   Component: IMMO          H05 0530  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000002
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_AU10 A04113
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_AU10.rod
   VCID: 4CD472E4E7AC102F0B-8018

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8X0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 959 793 F    HW: 8X0 959 793 F
   Component: TSG FA        H11 0415  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011802204100000000
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 50EC6694038434CF77-8004

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels:| 6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 6R1 909 144 AM    HW: 6R1 909 144 E
   Component: EPS_TRW_ALow  313 3142  
   Serial number: CH3N1150
   Coding: 800700
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 016134
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW.rod
   VCID: 02489CDC9568165FB1-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8X0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 959 792 F    HW: 8X0 959 792 F
   Component: TSG BF        H11 0415  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011802204100000000
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 4FEE65E81EBA2B376E-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:| 8X0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 907 357 E    HW: 8X0 907 357 B
   Component: ****LWR12**** H02 0020  
   Serial number: 170315-0002-031
   Coding: 11B3941010022500
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulBasic 005001
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulBasic.rod
   VCID: 44C45AC4CFFCD86FC3-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8XA 035 182 F    HW: 8XA 035 182 A
   Component: RMC Cnct Plus H62 0186  
   Coding: 01000400004051470023000102010000010000
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 4AD874FCE5D80E1F39-801E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8X0 919 603 B    HW: 8X0 919 603 B
   Component: DU6 Basic  H43 0084 
   Serial number: 9462C-0H3119915     

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8X0 959 795 D    HW: 8X0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HL        H08 0415  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010002200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 50EC6694038434CF77-8004

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8X0 959 795 D    HW: 8X0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HR        H08 0415  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010002200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 50EC6694038434CF77-8004

No fault code found.

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[PetrolDave]

FYI Ross-Tech don't officially support disabling start/stop, but maybe a member could advise you via PM?

 

[hadez16]

Not possible.

 

[VagImports]

FYI Ross-Tech don't officially support disabling start/stop, but maybe a member could advise you via PM?

Hi Petrol, thanks for answering.
What means "dont support disabling..."? I can see the option in the coding, I unchecked the bit but the behaviour didn´t change.

 

[PetrolDave]

What means "dont support disabling..."?

Start/stop is required to meet the consumption and emissions figures which the vehicles are sold confirming to - so disabling start/stop will increase emissions (especially in traffic queues) and this is something which Ross-Tech won't support.

Uwe - correct me if I'm wrong?

 

[Uwe]

Start/stop is required to meet the consumption and emissions figures which the vehicles are sold confirming to - so disabling start/stop will increase emissions (especially in traffic queues) and this is something which Ross-Tech won't support.

Uwe - correct me if I'm wrong?

I don't have a problem if people can figure out how to get it done, but we Ross-Tech won't provide instructions for it.

-Uwe-

 

[DV52]

Vagimports: Bearing in mind Uwe's stated protocol (above) for SS matters and as a totally unsanctioned (by Ross-Tech) suggestion and because I personally despise SS with a vengeance (IMO, it's an extremely under-estimated and dangerous facility) and as a service to the growing number of drivers world-wide that want to join the anti-SS movement (and I don't mean the term "movement" to be confused with a bowel action that happens in a toilet) - forget the problem with coding and instead buy one of these

Given your handle - I assume that you have both the expertise and the facility to install the device across the native SS enable/disable switch (which I also assume is factory fitted to the car)

Don

 

[Uwe]

Vagimports: Bearing in mind Uwe's stated protocol (above) for SS matters and as a totally unsanctioned (by Ross-Tech) suggestion and because I personally despise SS with a vengeance

FWIW, I despise it too, and the one car we currently own that came with it also has it off.

However, it's one thing for me to kill in it a car I own and a completely different thing for me (given the business I'm in) to post/publish instructions for how to do it.

-Uwe-

 

[DV52]

^^^^ Good point!!!!

@VagImport - Further to my post above, I advise that I'm willing to accept liability for the information to a maximum dollar amount that is exactly equal to the dollar value that I have received from you (or anyone else reading it) for its provision!!

Don

 

[myounus]

Now you're all gonna say I'm a consiracy theorist but considering VW falsified emissions as part of the dieselgate scandal, how probable do you think it is that this has been developed to ensure prematurely damage engine components, which "purely accidentally" of course increase revenues.

 

[PetrolDave]

Now you're all gonna say I'm a consiracy theorist but considering VW falsified emissions as part of the dieselgate scandal, how probable do you think it is that this has been developed to ensure prematurely damage engine components, which "purely accidentally" of course increase revenues.

Nice theory, but does the data support it?

Has there been an increase in failure rates of engine components, starter motors, etc. in vehicles fitted with SS?

The one component I suspect most likely has been replaced more often and costs more is the EFB/AGM battery...

 

[myounus]

Nice theory, but does the data support it?

Has there been an increase in failure rates of engine components, starter motors, etc. in vehicles fitted with SS?

The one component I suspect most likely has been replaced more often and costs more is the EFB/AGM battery...

I've done 7 gearboxes where the clutch has burned through the bell housing and taken the starter motor too. All Seat Alhambras and all start-stop. My family have got 2 with start stop disabled. Never had a battery change let alone anything else

 

[nirvananils]

Actually there´s no possible way, but if you can create an ADMAP of ECU 19 I will have a loo on it

 

[myounus]

Actually there´s no possible way, but if you can create an ADMAP of ECU 19 I will have a loo on it

I'll give you a clue "12v".

 

[nirvananils]

I'll give you a clue "12v".

YOu´re Wrong, 2015 A1 is PQ based car and not MQB, like new Model ;-)

 

[DV52]

I've done 7 gearboxes where the clutch has burned through the bell housing and taken the starter motor too. All Seat Alhambras and all start-stop. My family have got 2 with start stop disabled. Never had a battery change let alone anything else

I like ALL conspiracy theories - not because I think that they should be believed, but rather because they make folk think laterally (if not dismissed out-of-hand)!!

In this instance though and notwithstanding your gearbox repair observations - there doesn't appear to be evidence of systemic problems with the SS gear-train. or battery life on web forums for cars with SS.

Nevertheless- the absence of evidence to support your hypothesis is not a reason to keep SS operational on any car. There is a much better reason for its demise and it's driven by the oldest and most effective motivation: self interest!! SS is simply dangerous and it should be gone!!

Don

PS: it's good to read that you have joined the anti-SS movement!

 

[PetrolDave]

I've done 7 gearboxes where the clutch has burned through the bell housing and taken the starter motor too. All Seat Alhambras and all start-stop. My family have got 2 with start stop disabled. Never had a battery change let alone anything else

What gearbox type, not a dry clutch DSG by any chance?

 

[myounus]

Nope manual.

 

[VagImports]

Start/stop is required to meet the consumption and emissions figures which the vehicles are sold confirming to - so disabling start/stop will increase emissions (especially in traffic queues) and this is something which Ross-Tech won't support.

Uwe - correct me if I'm wrong?

Thank´s Petrol, now I understand.

I don't have a problem if people can figure out how to get it done, but we Ross-Tech won't provide instructions for it.

-Uwe-

Hello Uwer, thanks, totally understandable. My question for you is, why sometimes unchecking a bit that is clearly related to a tweak, (in this case "enabling start stop", but my question applies for any other case), isn´t enough and sometimes don´t change the function behaviour?

Vagimports: Bearing in mind Uwe's stated protocol (above) for SS matters and as a totally unsanctioned (by Ross-Tech) suggestion and because I personally despise SS with a vengeance (IMO, it's an extremely under-estimated and dangerous facility) and as a service to the growing number of drivers world-wide that want to join the anti-SS movement (and I don't mean the term "movement" to be confused with a bowel action that happens in a toilet) - forget the problem with coding and instead buy one of these

Given your handle - I assume that you have both the expertise and the facility to install the device across the native SS enable/disable switch (which I also assume is factory fitted to the car)

Don

Thanks Don! That´s an excellent ida. However, my customer would like to disable it via coding. But I´ll keep it in mind for other cases.

 

[VagImports]

Hello friend, thanks for your help.
Unfortunatly, I´ve returned the car to my customer, I´ll ask him if he wants to give it another try, and scan the car again.