Non-encrypted label files for MK25E1 ABS module?

   #1  

jsola

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jan 1, 2019
Messages
25
Reaction score
11
Location
Barcelona, Catalonia
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=359858
Hi. I am trying to make sense of the codings in my 7H multivan 4motion.

In particular, I'd like to interpret the coding of the ABS module. This is needed because I am fitting a diff-lock and there is one bit in the ABS module that requires re-coding. However, the labels I have (shipped with VCDS) are in a CLB file which I cannot read since it is apparently encrypted. Many other files are .LBL files which are easy to read, but not this one.

Is it possible to have this CLB file unencrypted, that is, as a LBL file?

The file is precisely 7H0-907-37x-ABS.CLB, and I would like to have 7H0-907-37x-ABS.LBL.

Thank you
 
Last edited:
   #2  

jsola

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jan 1, 2019
Messages
25
Reaction score
11
Location
Barcelona, Catalonia
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=359858
I attach an autoscan for reference.

Code:
Wednesday,30,October,2019,15:27:59:04823
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ8H133087   License Plate: 0027KHD
Mileage: 244520km-151937mi   Repair Order: 201910302326



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Multivan 4motion)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 18 19 22 46 6E 6E
 
VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ8H133087   Mileage: 244520km-151937miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 070-906-016-BPC.clb
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 DR    HW: 070 906 016 DR
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC  000SG  1584  
   Revision: --H06---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0H6297210
   Coding: 0001172
   Shop #: WSC 36843 001 1048576
   VCID: 6393AD448744956FB45-5184

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ESP.lbl
   Part No SW: 7H0 907 379 R    HW: 7H0 907 379 R
   Component: ESP MK25E1          0104  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 0000607
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 44D14ED8228AF257ADF-5160

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7H5 820 045 P
   Component: CLIMA/AC            0303  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 372B2914635CA9CF38D-5160

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7H0-937-049.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 937 049 AD
   Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  2101  
   Coding: 0000103
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 74B1DE1832AA02D7DDF-5160

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 F
   Component: 11 AIRBAG VW61 0R   0004  
   Coding: 12593
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 270BF954B6FC394FA8D-5160

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 920 861 E
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 06113
   Shop #: WSC 00186  
   VCID: 2E050C70990668076BB-5160
   WV2ZZZ7HZ8H133087     VWZ7Z0H6297210

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 7H0-819-008.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 819 008 R
   Component: Standheizung        0209  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3B2335245F748DAFDC5-5160

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00022
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 70B9D20843B23EF7397-5160

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 7H0 907 554 F
   Component: HALDEX 4Motion      2110  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 49856 001 1048576
   VCID: 33331D04772445EF045-5160

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
   Component: C11 Komfortgerát     0004  
   Coding: 00025
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 323D18008D3E4CE70F3-4B1E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 6E: Ctrl Head Roof        Labels: 7H5-919-044-W1.clb
   Part No SW: 7H5 919 044 J    HW: 7H5 919 044 J
   Component: J702  Dachdisplay   0500  
   Revision: 1010007S    Serial number: 00000000060769
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 392F2F2C5548BFBFCE9-5160

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 6E: Ctrl Head Roof        Labels: 7H5-919-044-W1.clb
   Part No SW: 7H5 919 044 J    HW: 7H5 919 044 J
   Component: J702  Dachdisplay   0500  
   Revision: 1010007S    Serial number: 00000000060769
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 392F2F2C5548BFBFCE9-5160

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:16, VBatt start/end: 12.1V/12.1V)-----------
 
   #3  

Uwe

Benevolent Dictator
Staff member
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
30,458
Reaction score
21,725
Location
USA
VCDS Serial number
HC100001
I'm not sure I understand how having a plain-text one would help you, because there is no coding info in that file at all.

-Uwe-
 
   #4  

golfi_vend

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
2,148
Reaction score
2,055
Location
Tartu, Estonia
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=195131
Try coding: 0016991
 
   #5  

jsola

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jan 1, 2019
Messages
25
Reaction score
11
Location
Barcelona, Catalonia
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=359858
Uwe, there are files for the MK25 and MK25E in which I can see codings for the different options in the ABS module.

For example, for the MK25E, there is the file 7H0-907-37x-ABS-A.LBL with contents:

Code:
;---------------------------------------------------
;
; coding information
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
;
C00,Brake Electronics (J104) Coding (MK25 ABS/EDS AWD)
C01,Model/Wheelbase:
C02,+0000025 = Van with Short Wheelbase (PR-0E1)
C03,+0000026 = Van with Long Wheelbase (PR-0E2)
C04,+0000027 = Pickup/Cab with Short Wheelbase (PR-0E1)
C05,+0000028 = Pickup/Cab with Long Wheelbase (PR-0E2)
C06, 
C07,Differential Lock:
C08,+0000512 = without Differential Lock for Rear Axle Transmission
C09,+0000000 = with Differential Lock for Rear Axle Transmission (PR-1Y4)
C10,
C11,Suspension I:
C12,+0007168 = 16" Suspension (PR-2E3)
C13,+0015360 = 17" Suspension (PR-2E4)
C14, 
C15,Suspension II:
C16,+0000000 = Normal/Bad Road Suspension (PR-1BA/1BB/1BH/1BJ/2MF/2MG/2MK/2ML/2MQ/2MR)
C17,+0000128 = Sport Suspension (PR-1BV/2MD)
;
;
;---------------------------------------------------
where the bit that interests me is 512: diff lock. However, for my exact ABS module MK25E1, there is no such LBL file, and there is a CLB file instead.

AutoScan tells me the labels file for the module is precisely this CLB file.

I don't understant precisely what is this CLB file. But since it's a labels file, and the LBL file for the MK25E contains the codes, I supposed the CLB file contains them too, just encripted.

Anyway, what I am after is the codes for the MK25E1 module. Where can I find them? Are they the same as for the MK25E module (I guess not).
 
   #7  

jsola

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jan 1, 2019
Messages
25
Reaction score
11
Location
Barcelona, Catalonia
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=359858
I never coded anything with the VCDS and therefore I am confused and a bit scared of doing something wrong. My guess is the following:

I have code 607 in the ABS module, currently.

I am replacing my rear differential with no diff-lock for a unit with differential lock. The codings for these two AWD modules are identical: 00002.

Therefore I only have to tell the ABS module that now I'll be having differential lock.

This seems to be done by setting the 512 bit to zero. So the new coding would be:

607 - 512 = 95.

My guess is that now I should code 95 in the ABS module.

Is this correct?
 
   #8  

NEtech

VCDS Distributor
Joined
Feb 7, 2014
Messages
2,203
Reaction score
3,552
Location
Denmark
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=56995
I don't understant precisely what is this CLB file.
It shows the same information as if it was LBL file!
As you can see, it shows "Contact Ross-Tech"

Anyway, what I am after is the codes for the MK25E1 module.
It should be in erwin.
There could also coding in different "wiring shorts" to ABS connector, see WD.

Are they the same as for the MK25E module (I guess not).
No, if so, that LBL file could be used.
 
   #9  

jsola

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jan 1, 2019
Messages
25
Reaction score
11
Location
Barcelona, Catalonia
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=359858
Thanks NEtech. Did you read my last post? All I need to know is there.
 
   #10  

NEtech

VCDS Distributor
Joined
Feb 7, 2014
Messages
2,203
Reaction score
3,552
Location
Denmark
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=56995
Is this correct?
No that is not correct. See post #6

MK25E coding is not the same as yours MK25E1.
[22] coding 0000002 is with diff.lock, 0000001 is without.
Your car WV2ZZZ7HZ8H133087 from factory has diff.lock, PR-code 1Y4
Your [03] coding 0000607 is with diff.lock, like other Transporter with same equipment as yours is coded 0000607.

Again, is there a problem ?
 
   #11  

PetrolDave

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Dec 16, 2014
Messages
3,996
Reaction score
3,981
Location
South Molton, UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=1423
I am replacing my rear differential with no diff-lock for a unit with differential lock.
Your car WV2ZZZ7HZ8H133087 from factory has diff.lock, PR-code 1Y4
OP are you sure your rear diff is a no diff lock version, the PR code for your car suggests otherwise...
 
   #12  

jsola

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jan 1, 2019
Messages
25
Reaction score
11
Location
Barcelona, Catalonia
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=359858
No that is not correct. See post #6

MK25E coding is not the same as yours MK25E1.
[22] coding 0000002 is with diff.lock, 0000001 is without.
Your car WV2ZZZ7HZ8H133087 from factory has diff.lock, PR-code 1Y4
Your [03] coding 0000607 is with diff.lock, like other Transporter with same equipment as yours is coded 0000607.

Again, is there a problem ?
Oh, thanks NETech, this is really helpful.

It seems that I do not have to change any coding then.

Up to now, there is no problem because I have not swapped differentials yet. I just wanted to make sense of everything before starting so that I do not do anything wrong. And after testing all the pieces the only thing that remained was determining whether my 03ABS needed recoding or not.

So thanks a lot.
 
Last edited:
   #13  

jsola

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jan 1, 2019
Messages
25
Reaction score
11
Location
Barcelona, Catalonia
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=359858
OP are you sure your rear diff is a no diff lock version, the PR code for your car suggests otherwise...
PetrolDave, Indeed, it's a PR1Y4 . The thing is, the previous owner replaced the lockable diff by a non-lockable one. It seems though as when doing so he never recoded the ABS module to indicate that there was no longer a diff-lock.

Now I am just refitting a lockable diff on it to bring it back to factory specs.

I already plugged the lockable unit to the VCDS (just put it under the van and connect it) so that I could read the 00002 coding of the unit I want to install. Everything is fine:

Existing differential without diff-lock
Code:
Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 7H0 907 554 F
   Component: HALDEX 4Motion      2110  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 49856 001 1048576
   VCID: 33331D04772445EF045-5160
New differential with diff-lock
Code:
Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 7H0 907 554 F
   Component: HALDEX 4Motion      2110  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 33331D04772445EF045-5160

The doubts were on the ABS module but now I think all is clear. This module is responsible for enabling the diff-lock to engage if certain conditions are met at the time of depressing the diff-lock button: max speed of 40kmh, and max difference of wheel speeds L-R of 7kmh. This is why the ABS module needs to know whether diff lock is available or not. The coding I have is as so:

Code:
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ESP.lbl
   Part No SW: 7H0 907 379 R    HW: 7H0 907 379 R
   Component: ESP MK25E1          0104  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 0000607
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 44D14ED8228AF257ADF-5160
According to NETech this code 607 is normal for the MK25E1, that is it corresponds to units with diff-lock, so I will leave it as it is.

So it seems that all the coding is correct so I'll only have to carry out the mechanical work. The previous owner did not re-code the ABS module, so I should be fine if I just do not touch it.
 
Last edited:
Top