Dreaded P0441 Evap Code

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Thanks for the info. I was wondering about the N80 valve vs the N115 valve. Of course I read online an google stuff so when I saw the possible causes of my evap code, it lists N80 valve and N115 valve. Now there is vast information on both of them. Would my car have both of them? I see where there is the part number for the same car in South Korea. It says it's the same part as the N80 valve in the USA. It just has a different part number on the South Korea model. I also saw where is mentions this part is the rear driver's side wheel well. I already took apart the passenger side apart so before I go ripping the other side apart, i just want to know if there is another purge valve in my car at the rear like I saw referenced online. Thanks


Are you going to stop being lazy and RTFB the WD? :rolleyes:
 
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Wow ok. What does that even mean?
It means Jack won't give you a fish; he insists you learn how to catch fish yourself.

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Probably cause Jack has no clue either
 
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But yes I looked at the wiring diagram and it isn't a real good one from alldata. My shop wasn't even sure so that's why I was asking. So I was not being lazy as I have been trying to research that part and posted to see if a time knew for sure.
 
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it isn't a real good one from alldata.
We jokingly refer to Alldata as NoData or SomeData for VAG cars.

May I suggest that you use a single day access plan with erWin.audi? erWin supplies the WD the techs at the dealerships use. It ought to have the information you seek plus a lot more. All of the Audi information is in pdf format which you can download for future reference. I think the one day access is $35.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Official_Factory_Repair_Information
 
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Probably cause Jack has no clue either
That may indeed be the case on some subjects, however, not here, OP you do realize I hold the honor badge of ASSHOLE, right?
Don't you see I'm trying to help you un-fuck yourself & to be more self sufficient with direction and so you are not so dependent?

Come on get the RIGHT WD and when you do, lets talks about it okay?

Did you read any of the helpful links?

But yes I looked at the wiring diagram and it isn't a real good one from alldata. My shop wasn't even sure so that's why I was asking. So I was not being lazy as I have been trying to research that part and posted to see if a time knew for sure.
What did you say? :p



We jokingly refer to Alldata as NoData or SomeData for VAG cars.

May I suggest that you use a single day access plan with erWin.audi? erWin supplies the WD the techs at the dealerships use. It ought to have the information you seek plus a lot more. All of the Audi information is in pdf format which you can download for future reference. I think the one day access is $35.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...ir_Information


Indeed isn't AllData an Oxymoron? :rolleyes:

 
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That may indeed be the case on some subjects, however, not here, OP you do realize I hold the honor badge of ASSHOLE, right?
Don't you see I'm trying to help you un-fuck yourself & to be more self sufficient with direction and so you are not so dependent?

Come on get the RIGHT WD and when you do, lets talks about it okay?

Did you read any of the helpful links?



What did you say? :p







Indeed isn't AllData an Oxymoron? :rolleyes:

Yea I see that. The import shop in town here uses alldata so that's why I went there first. I bought a subscription on there and cancelled within a day as the stuff they had was readily available on the net. So I am guessing you think my shop is crap? There aren't many options in town for me here. So I definitely have made an effort to find the answers myself. But I guess I have to keep forking out more money in hopes I get the right info.
 
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Just to add - I've been very happy with the accuracy of the data I paid for and downloaded from erWin.
 
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Just to add - I've been very happy with the accuracy of the data I paid for and downloaded from erWin.
So I fixed the vacuum leak and ran it and was still getting random misfires with all cylinders while idling. None while driving. I did the output test on the n80 valve and I could hear it working so I'm thinking my evap code is from something else. I guess at this point I am more concerned about the misfiring which I don't think could've caused by an eavp code could it? Unless all my spark plugs or coils are all going to junk at once. I am at a loss. Guess the only other thing to do is bring it in.
 
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Yea I see that. The import shop in town here uses alldata so that's why I went there first. I bought a subscription on there and cancelled within a day as the stuff they had was readily available on the net. So I am guessing you think my shop is crap? There aren't many options in town for me here. So I definitely have made an effort to find the answers myself. But I guess I have to keep forking out more money in hopes I get the right info.

Oh quit the cry baby tears already and didn't you think we would give good questions on where to get good data + you could save money by downloading the entire archive & printing it to PDF after doing the min subscription at Erwin?

See what Bruce wrote?

We jokingly refer to Alldata as NoData or SomeData for VAG cars.

May I suggest that you use a single day access plan with erWin.audi? erWin supplies the WD the techs at the dealerships use. It ought to have the information you seek plus a lot more. All of the Audi information is in pdf format which you can download for future reference. I think the one day access is $35.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...ir_Information
I just want you to have the best data you can get for the money and FYI you could also use RB publishers too for this old POS & since it was originally the factory US publication too at the time of production, so are you ready to spit out that pacifier yet?
 
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Just a thought sir, have tried to see what 0x01-03 outputs are displayed in the ECU & available in VCDS to document each consumer for function?
 
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Just a thought sir, have tried to see what 0x01-03 outputs are displayed in the ECU & available in VCDS to document each consumer for function?
I think I may just have issues that are a bit too complicated for me .I have fixed quite a bunch of little things but I think this may be engine related and far beyond and of my skills. This is an old car and not my primary vehicle so I may just have to concede it's not salvageable. I do greatly appreciate the help though
 
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I just want to be clear you have reference materials to observe and so you can ask valid questions, is that reasonable?

EVAP is not that complicated, but you are working with dangerous volatile vapors and my first concern for you is safety, would you expect anything less?

The RTFB is a cheap investment, far cheaper than just tossed parts at an old clunker method, right?
 
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I just want to be clear you have reference materials to observe and so you can ask valid questions, is that reasonable?

EVAP is not that complicated, but you are working with dangerous volatile vapors and my first concern for you is safety, would you expect anything less?

The RTFB is a cheap investment, far cheaper than just tossed parts at an old clunker method, right?
I ran the evap tests group 70 and 71. All it tells me evap system not ok. I did the output tests on the n80 valve and the leak detection pump and they all worked after activating at least they sounded like they worked. It didn't me they were good or bad or anything. Just a bunch of N/a listed .I'm not sure what else I can test. I don't have leak. Only thing left would be the charcoal cannister bit not sure how to test that other than take it off and see if it's full of carbon. Since I passed emissions already this year I guess I don't have to worry about it till then and since I can have one monitor not ready I will probably never fix it
 
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So with this Erwin this will tell me everything about my exact car and Evey single component and how to do fix everything?
 
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So with this Erwin this will tell me everything about my exact car and Evey single component and how to do fix everything?
YUP, BUT HOW ARE YOU FIXED FOR GAS CAP SEAL?

DID YOU MIGHTY VAC EVERYTHING? :rolleyes:
 
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YUP, BUT HOW ARE YOU FIXED FOR GAS CAP SEAL?

DID YOU MIGHTY VAC EVERYTHING? :rolleyes:

Do you mean have I tried a new gas cap? No not yet. Guess I could try that. Have not had a chance to vac anything. I have a little one, hence the reason I am looking for answers. While doing the output tests, should there be values or will it say NA? Mine all say NA? Not sure if I need to trigger something?
 
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Nope but I'm guessing I'll have to Google that too.

What about the output tests?
 
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