Immobilizer adaptation VW Caddy 2006, PIN is known

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Hi Everyone.

So while I wait for my verified status to come through I can ask here if anyone has experienced the same and can give me some pointers.

I have a 2006 model VW Caddy which basically is a mk5 golf with a big butt.
I bought my car second hand and it only came with one key with a remote control and one valet key.
I have since used my key insurance and have received a new keyfob from VW.

So here the fun begins.
Because I am either not able to follow the instructions or my car does not allow me to store a new value when adding (or removing) a immobilizer paired key.

I have used this guide: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer_IV_Key_Matching

I start VCDS and got to immobilizer

There I first use measuring blocks to verify my new key is ok.
It appears to be.
The value in field 3 is "Yes" while the value in the first field is "No" for the new key.
Both fields are "Yes" on the original keys.

Then I exit this menu and enter my PIN in the security menu. It is accepted.
I can now access the adaptation menu and look at address 01.
Here it states that I have 2 keys paired to my immobilizer system.
I can add one to a total of 3 and click 'save'.
"3" is now displayed in the new value field.

Instructions on this site then states I should use one key after another and turn the ignition on until the immobilizer icon in the instrument cluster goes out.
This happens with my two original keys, but my new key only make this icon blink.
As it should if the key was not programmed correctly.
So that didnt work.

I go back into adaptation menu to check and the total number of keys is still 2.
ok... I try to alter this to 1 and progam just one of my original keys.
Immo icon goes out and I can start my car with this key. But also with the other original key.
So I appearantly have not changed the immo adaptation at all.

I tried again but this time I exited the adaptation menu before trying to cycle the keys.
Same result.


Can anyone see something obvious I am doing wrong here?
Is VCDS not able to program my new key to my car this way?


I have since I bought it replaced the SWCM to a CH version (it used to be a 1K0 953 549 AE) and replaced the stalks while waiting for a upgraded cluster to arrive.
This shouldnt prevent the immobilizer system to be programmed should it?
I drive my car daily and now have cruisecontrol so those new parts seems to work as they should.


Attached autoscan:

Code:
Monday,21,October,2019,21:59:03:42173
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ2KZ6X075733   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 2K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52

VIN: WV1ZZZ2KZ6X075733   Mileage: 181420km-112729miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-021-BLS.clb
   Part No SW: 03G 906 021 FF    HW: 028 101 315 7
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  8183  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E3202718
   Coding: 0000031
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00176
   VCID: 6889B919DE799097617-803C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 P
   Component: ASR FRONT MK70      0105  
   Coding: 0017106
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00156
   VCID: 3FDB4245EB77F72FF0D-806A

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 E    HW: 3C0 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 1002  
   Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000005292553
   Coding: 09004E030004100032000032320000000009FF075C
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 2B0306150F0F7B8F4C5-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 2K1 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW357  012  0402  
   Coding: 00065493
   Shop #: WSC 35110  

1 Fault Found:
00156 - Control Circuit for Windshield Washer Pump 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 121
                    Mileage: 181425 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.00 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW52.lbl
   Part No SW: 6Q0 909 605 AH    HW: 6Q0 909 605 AH
   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW52  023 2400  
   Revision: 04023000    Serial number: 0037TD08ZL8   
   Coding: 0012345
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00156
   VCID: 7DA7F84DA1FB253FA21-8028

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CH    HW: 1K0 953 549 CH
   Component: J0527           056 0111  
   Coding: 0000033
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 7AADF351B0D51207873-802E

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 - -

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 2K0 920 842 C
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1012  
   Coding: 0017101
   Shop #: WSC 78411 128 139648
   VCID: 290FFC1D05F3699FBE9-807C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 F    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: Gateway         H10 0120  
   Revision:   H10       Serial number: 2800105C310134
   Coding: 3D0F0100079002
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00156
   VCID: 2A0D031100F56287B73-807E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 2K0 920 842 C
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1012  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 290FFC1D05F3699FBE9-807C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN2.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 959 701 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2315  
   Coding: 0000048
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 36352761C44D366723B-8062

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V2.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 K
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.5   D06 1701  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 33331E75D73F234F045-8066

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AK
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 008B0C087F2D8405484A016010C0
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00156
   VCID: 79AFEC5DB5D3191F8E9-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN2.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 959 702 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2315  
   Coding: 0000048
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 372B2A65C347CF6F38D-8062

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 00:45, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.8V. VIgn 11.9V)-----
 
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Battery voltage is a little low, might be worth charging the battery and trying again:

Battery voltage at least 12.0 V
 
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grant@grendan said:
Battery voltage is a little low, might be worth charging the battery and trying again
Hey thanks for the suggestion.
I tried this exercise again today with a charger connected to the battery.
Unfortunately the result is the same.



Please post Advanced ID data from 01-Engine and 25-Immo.

-Uwe-
Ok so advanced ID

01-Engine
Code:
Tuesday,22,October,2019,21:23:43:42173
VCDS Version: Release 19.6.2
                Address 01: Engine
Control Module Part Number: 03G 906 021 FF
  Component and/or Version: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  8183
           Software Coding: 0000031
            Work Shop Code: WSC 35110
                      VCID: 6889B919DE799097617-803C

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: VWZ7Z0E3202718
     Identification: BPG-810
     Revision: --H01---
     Date: 13.11.05
     Test stand number: 1479
     Manufacturer number: 1225
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts: 0
     Successful Attempts: 0
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Required Conditions: 00000001
     Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
     Flash Date: 00.00.00
Software
     P0101
     HAS8   
Misc.
     Hardware number: 028 101 315 7
Car Info
     Chassis Number: WV1ZZZ2KZ6X075733
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 6889B919DE799097617-803C
       Labels: 03G-906-021-BLS.clb
       Readiness: No script available
and
25-immobilizer

Code:
Tuesday,22,October,2019,21:24:37:42173
VCDS Version: Release 19.6.2
                Address 25: Immobilizer
Control Module Part Number: 2K0 920 842 C
  Component and/or Version: IMMO            VDD 1012
           Software Coding: 
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00000
                      VCID: 290FFC1D05F3699FBE9-807C

Misc.
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 290FFC1D05F3699FBE9-807C
       Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb

Hopefully this will mean something to a trained eye...
 
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If new key isn't learning and old ones are, then I see no ither issue than the key itself.
 
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If new key isn't learning and old ones are, then I see no ither issue than the key itself.
I would normally agree with you on this, but I was not able to program a single key either.
I tried to do so while troubleshooting.
Just for giggles and testing, but my other original key (the one *not* programmed) still worked after my first key was programmed in as the single key.
Leading me to think that I did something wrong in the process and have canceled the adaptation somehow.
 
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DO NOT try this, unless some one confirms it is for keys... I seem to recall having to "delete" all keys or remotes before I could match mine... is that a KEY thing, or a REMOTE thing???
 
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Hi Allan. Fancy seeing you here 👍😊
The problem is for the key and the immobilizer.
The remote part is programmed and working.
 
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I would normally agree with you on this, but I was not able to program a single key either.
I tried to do so while troubleshooting.
Just for giggles and testing, but my other original key (the one *not* programmed) still worked after my first key was programmed in as the single key.
Leading me to think that I did something wrong in the process and have canceled the adaptation somehow.
I see now, what You wrote.

I'm not native English speaker and as I understand it quite well, sometimes I miss stuff...again my bad.

What happens when You try to start with new key?
After trying to match only 1 key what does key count say in MVB.

Is Your known PIN code also accepted when You try to enter it in Engine Security Access?
 
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Hi Allan. Fancy seeing you here ����
The problem is for the key and the immobilizer.
The remote part is programmed and working.
I just clicked it was you :-)

For EITHER my Remotes or Keys, I had to delete them all first, which I think was an adaptation. I Just don't recall what it was for... someone will know though :-D
 
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I see now, what You wrote.

I'm not native English speaker and as I understand it quite well, sometimes I miss stuff...again my bad.
You and me both friend.
I am not a native english speaker either.

What happens when You try to start with new key?
After trying to match only 1 key what does key count say in MVB.

Is Your known PIN code also accepted when You try to enter it in Engine Security Access?
Using new key I get immo icon blinking and the car starts for about 1 second before the motor stops again.
The MVB still states 2 programmed keys even though I have saved "1" in the adaptation menu.

Yes my PIN is also accepted in 01-engine.





I just clicked it was you :-)
Glenlivet ftw! :)

For EITHER my Remotes or Keys, I had to delete them all first, which I think was an adaptation. I Just don't recall what it was for... someone will know though :-D
I think I had to delete my original remote before I was able to program 2 new ones.
This was covered in some guide I followed, but I cannot recall the details atm.
But I believe I had to use 00 to reset all remotes and then 01 to program new ones.... Could it have been Cent.conv and adaptation..
 
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Glenlivet ftw! :)
I was on the Lagavulin last weekend ;-)

I think I had to delete my original remote before I was able to program 2 new ones.
This was covered in some guide I followed, but I cannot recall the details atm.
But I believe I had to use 00 to reset all remotes and then 01 to program new ones.... Could it have been Cent.conv and adaptation..
That is probably what I was confused with. I remember making 3 keys for my car, but one isn't cut - the immo and remote works though.

Turns out I'm no help to you :-D
 
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I said this so many times , 2006 and up VCDS can not program keys in Mk5 platform . I tried this 100 times and never worked.
Not even to delete old keys and program just one original key like OP trying to do .
 
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I said this so many times , 2006 and up VCDS can not program keys in Mk5 platform . I tried this 100 times and never worked.
Not even to delete old keys and program just one original key like OP trying to do .
I hear You.
So it is not only WVX immobiliser, also later VWZ also?
 
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It was my understanding that 2006 was a year where you have both immo4 and immo4c immobilizer. 4c is a no go with vcds but the older immo 4 should be programmable.
and that the way you distinguish between the two is the first letters in immo ID wvx/wvz.
My car being a wvz should be programmable.

Is this understanding false?
 
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It was my understanding that 2006 was a year where you have both immo4 and immo4c immobilizer. 4c is a no go with vcds but the older immo 4 should be programmable.
and that the way you distinguish between the two is the first letters in immo ID wvx/wvz.
My car being a wvz should be programmable.

Is this understanding false?
That is my understanding as well.

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What part number is the Key? (I also need the colour code part EG. INB/INF)
 
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Could this be related to having no WSC number in VCDS???

Code:
Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 2K0 920 842 C
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1012  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 290FFC1D05F3699FBE9-807C

No fault code found.
The other modules in the original autoscan all have WSC number in them.

This setup is very similar to my 2x 2006 Tourans - one early-ish, one late; and I can match keys to them, but I have WSC's in mine.
 
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Could this be related to having no WSC number in VCDS???
I doubt it, but it couldn't hurt to put some random WSC, Importer, and Equipment Number values in on the Options screen in VCDS (User Interface & Identification tab), save them, and restart VCDS.

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I hear You.
So it is not only WVX immobiliser, also later VWZ also?
I did many time mk5 after 2006.6, ofcourse i read Security Block, put Component Security to TP, then program with vcds.
Maybe i never came across WVX.
 
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