Running Very bad... Possible Injector???

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Hi guys I have a 2016 Octavia running very poor. lots of white smoke.
Looks and sounds very similar to a bad injector......
When I go into VCDS [01Engine] [Measuring Blocks] is shaded out? Am I doing something wrong or is there another way of viewing injection quantity?

Full autoscan below



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Sunday,06,October,2019,15:20:05:13475
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: Jonesy

VIN: TMBBG7NE1G0111121   License Plate: OCTAVIA 
Mileage: 179008km-111230mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: NE-SK37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 5F

VIN: TMBBG7NE1G0111121   Mileage: 179008km-111230miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (2D2D2-CXXB)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 056 CL    HW: 04L 907 445 B
   Component: R4 1.6l TDI   H06 2506  
   Revision: 22004001    
   Coding: 01114012430519090000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI03004L906056CL 002006
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI03004L906056_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 79AFED00095A18FF8E9-802C

1 Fault Found:
16408 - Actuator Module for Turbocharger 1 
          P00AF 00 [167] - Stuck
          MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 179008 km
                    Date: 2019.10.04
                    Time: 15:17:43

                    Engine speed: 1610.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 99.2 %
                    Vehicle speed: 43 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 80 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 16 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.164 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Turbine actuator 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Spec.value: 97.21 %
                    Turbine actuator 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Act.value: 60.46 %
                    Turbine actuator 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Offset closed: -0.30 %
                    Turbine actuator 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Uncnd vlt: 2.145 V
                    Accelerator pedal travel: raw value: 65.68 %

Readiness: N/A

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 379 T    HW: 3Q0 907 379 C
   Component: ESC           H32 0393  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 52705000000661
   Coding: 1A078A911421096D0078060241C4245851289000608224F200430070C002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 034033
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_034_SK37.rod
   VCID: 4BC367C813465A6F6C5-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 5G0-907-426.clb
   Part No SW: 5E0 820 047 M    HW: 5E0 820 047 M
   Component: AC Manuell    H05 1202  
   Revision: 00001K07    
   Coding: 01110104000100001000000000400000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X 003129
   ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X_003.rod
   VCID: 2C010454B6887D5745F-8078

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 

1 Fault Found:
262914 - Refrigerant Pressure 
          B10AB F0 [009] - Too Low
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 24
                    Mileage: 179003 km
                    Date: 2019.10.03
                    Time: 15:51:04

                    Outside air temperature: 14.0 °C
                    Engine speed: 0 /min
                    Compressor current: actual value: 0.000 A
                    Temperature after evaporator: 22.7 °C
                    System run time-Engine running time: 0 s
                    System run time-Terminal 15 on: 255 s


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-MV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 AQ    HW: 5Q0 937 084 AL
   Component: BCM MQBAB M   H24 0175  
   Serial number: 01061527300310
   Coding: 0F0008424207005307A04082B10407080000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMMQB 015001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_015.rod
   VCID: 074B9BF84FAE7E0F88D-8052

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E2 955 119     HW: 5E2 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS371 150822  041 0570 
   Serial number:         150913035736
   Coding: 065DDD

   Sensor For Anti Theft Alarm System: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 171     HW: 5Q0 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0316 
   Serial number: 000000000ZY152170D5F

   Alarm horn: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605 
   Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311 
   Serial number: 00000000000033605408

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 AS    HW: 3Q0 959 655 AS
   Component: Airbag VW20   013 0200  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003SQPLDBYRG
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C5400CC008800000065
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X 001116
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X.rod
   VCID: 0F7BB3D827DE264F40D-805A

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 000 210 15
   Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887 
   Serial number: 3576U0000007178DE61M
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 002 909 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887 
   Serial number: 3586U000000E5398761J
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 709 15
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  301 0148 
   Serial number: 3516RD2998508000000A
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 709 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  301 0148 
   Serial number: 3526R87218108000000Z
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 208 15
   Component: FrontSensor_D  304 0149 
   Serial number: 3556V2DE30C08000000G
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J524)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 521 L    HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
   Component: Lenks.Modul   075 0195  
   Revision: FF033033    Serial number: 20151010500634
   Coding: 0600
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001015
   ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB.rod
   VCID: 3B23370843E6EAEFDC5-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5E0 920 921 B    HW: 5E0 920 921 B
   Component: KOMBI         123 6420  
   Coding: 272402002100A600010808001000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009046
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 2313EF68DB56B22FF45-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 AD    HW: 5Q0 907 530 D
   Component: GW MQB Low    126 1223  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0004039439
   Coding: 030000040F087300EB000048080F00010001050000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 013020
   ROD: EV_GatewLear_013.rod
   VCID: 73B3DF282B3662AFC45-8026

   Alternator: 

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 H    HW: 5Q0 915 181 H
   Component: J367-BDMConti  H02 1011 
   Serial number: 74185704001510100558

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 393 E    HW: 5Q4 959 393 B
   Component: TSG FS        010 0031  
   Serial number: 0000170391512 
   Coding: 001000208001040100001100
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 45D751F03522AC1FBA1-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 S    HW: 5Q0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  125 1063  
   Coding: 0103
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 012140
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_012_VW37.rod
   VCID: 44D14CF43E189517ADF-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 392 E    HW: 5Q4 959 392 B
   Component: TSG BFS       010 0031  
   Serial number: 0000169901283 
   Coding: 001000208001040100001100
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 44D14CF43E189517ADF-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5Q0 035 842 A    HW: 5Q0 035 842 A
   Component: MU-S-D-ER     H24 0245  
   Serial number: SKZAZ2R8850053
   Coding: 03730100FF00000011111201008800002F0200C60120010000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00063
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW41.rod
   VCID: 2D0709508D92745F521-8078

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E0 919 605 H    HW: 5E0 919 605 H
   Component: ABT_Std-2  H41 1028 
   Serial number: SKZ8Z9RBS00WNZ      

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:17, VBatt start/end: 13.0V/13.1V)-----------
 
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👍 thanks for the response
 
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Color me confused. The ECU has a fault code telling you that the turbo actuator is stuck. Why do you think the your problem is due to injector(s)?

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Why no misfire codes?

Compression check & leak down?

Fuel PSI leak down?

Has exhaust manifold ports been measured for temp comparison to quickly isolate a dead cold zyl?

Is the turbo stuck on or off and is ECU modified with FOD?

Fuel quality?

JPPSG.....
 
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Thanks Uwe,
When idling it's extremely rough... Puffing out white smoke. I just want to see injection quantity and rule injector(s) in or out. The Injectors can be done under warranty here if they have failed. 👍
 
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Why no misfire codes?

Compression check & leak down?

Fuel PSI leak down?

Has exhaust manifold ports been measured for temp comparison to quickly isolate a dead cold zyl?

Is the turbo stuck on or off and is ECU modified with FOD?

Fuel quality?
JPPSG.....
Thanks Jack,
I've seen the mechanical side of these injectors fail before and not throw up misfire codes.

Il run the few checks you suggest later and report back.👍

Fuel quality is good.

I did see the shear off bolts holding the ECU in place had been out before so that might suggest some kind of tampering.....
 
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I just want to see injection quantity and rule injector(s) in or out.
You do realize that injection quantity cannot really be measured; it is calculated based on their on times and the fuel pressure.

Your ECU has:
IDE00472 -- Mean injection quantity

It also has a plethora of other injection related data in the Advanced Measuring values, but I'm not sure exactly what you want to look at. Type "Inject" into the search/filter box take a look at what's available.

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check hose to vacuum i had a same problem
 
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check hose to vacuum i had a same problem
Boost issue is sorted, the actuator was stuck.

Car now runs rough and smokey when cold but once it's running 3 or 4 mins it runs fine.

Cylinder 1 seems to be operating 20°c lower than the other 3 cylinders.

I'm gonna have injectors checked & Tested and see what that shows.
 
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Had all 4 injectors checked Ultra Sonic cleaned and flushed out, Diesel shop gave me a bottle of (VW recommended) fuel additive and tells me my problem will be gone after a bit of driving with the additive. 👍
 
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So injectors being mechanically plugged or stuck open & leaking and no misfire codes, who would of thought that even possible?

Magical chemicals to rescue the FOD?

Does your region use ethanol base or blended fuels too?

:p

 
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Since he has a diesel engine, I rather doubt there is ethanol in the fuel he's using. ;)

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Huh......But what about bio-diesel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuel_in_the_United_States

In e-diesel blends, standard diesel fuel (such as US No. 2) is typically blended with up to 15% (by volume) of ethanol using an additive package that helps maintain blend stability and other properties—most importantly cetane number and lubricity. The additive package may comprise from 0.2% to 5.0% of the blend.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/wartime-measures-needed-to-ignite-biofuel-industry-in-ireland/

 
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So injectors being mechanically plugged or stuck open & leaking and no misfire codes, who would of thought that even possible?

Magical chemicals to rescue the FOD?

Does your region use ethanol base or blended fuels too?
I've done nothing different but had injectors cleaned and ran about half a tank of fuel with the additive and the car is now running 100%

Thanks again to anyone that offered help 👍
 
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I've done nothing different but had injectors cleaned and ran about half a tank of fuel with the additive and the car is now running 100%

Thanks again to anyone that offered help ��
Just curious - which additive is it? I am using a TDI in India where the diesel quality is poor and is always under the terror of an injector issue. Thanks in advance.
 
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Just curious - which additive is it? I am using a TDI in India where the diesel quality is poor and is always under the terror of an injector issue. Thanks in advance.
G 001790M3
That's the part number. Put it into Google and it will show u the additive.
€15 for a bottle in VW dealer here in Ireland 👍
 
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