2011 Amarok retrofitted with Polo 7 MFSW with CC

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WillemT

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Hi Everyone

So I decided to start a new thread for this since I could find exact answers elsewhere.

I have retrofitted a polo 7 MFSW to my 2011 amarok. It originally came without a mfsw.
So I added two wires from my slipring, added a wire in pos 9, to 12v+, and added a wire in pos 10 to LIN in the BCM, these were added in the steering column plug. I picked up the lin wire running to the driver side doors as the BCM is just tucked to far away to reach.

I selected the option in the central electronics long coding and everything on the steering wheel works.
I tried to activate the steering wheel in the CAN Gateway, because if I can get into the steering wheel control module I should hopefulle be able to change its coding to select the cruise control to work from the steering wheel... But it doesn't pick it up if I select it in the CAN gateway.
What I did notice was that if I try to pick it up in the CAN gateway as a seperate module then the buttons doesn't work anymore. If I deselect it then it works again.

Can I get this steering wheel to come up as a seperate control module and not a slave to the BCM? Or is there some other way that I can get the CC to work from the steering wheel?

I hope the auto scan displays as it should...
Thanks

Code:
Thursday,19,September,2019,23:17:19:02456
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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VIN: WV1ZZZ2HZB8013874   License Plate: CY233167-MFSW
Mileage: 236500km-146954mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 2H-VN81 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 22 25 32 56 69

VIN: WV1ZZZ2HZB8013874   Mileage: 236500km-146954miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
32-Differential Locks -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CDCA)       Labels:. 03L-906-022-CAA.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 022 SL    HW: 03L 907 309 K
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H33 9743  
   Revision: 26H33---    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 01190012232600080000
   Shop #: WSC 03461 996 81754
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20BTD01103L906022SL 002012
   ROD: EV_ECM20BTD01103L906019G_002.rod
   VCID: 814AEB1C1000124716-80D4

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels: 2H0-907-37x-ESP.clb
   Part No SW: 2H0 907 379 F    HW: 2H0 907 379 D
   Component: ESP MK25A XT  H43 0104  
   Revision: 00H43001    
   Coding: C07324B69295039824AA49AAAF5410
   Shop #: WSC 00000 059 49152
   VCID: B32671D4123C70D7D4-80E6

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 7E5-907-040.clb
   Part No SW: 2H0 907 040 A    HW: 2H0 907 040 A
   Component: ClimatronicT5 H10 0101  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 0000001002
   Shop #: WSC 99999 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ClimatronicT5 A01002
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoT5Basis.rod
   VCID: 9F0E8D6486B4C4B700-80CA

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R7 937 087 B    HW: 6R7 937 087 B
   Component: PQ25 BCM      H10 0015  
   Revision: -1------    Serial number: 1002307800    
   Coding: 3D0002380C530400803806C03C4A14C4B08041FE600000003000
   Shop #: WSC 37317 001 104857
   VCID: C3C62114429CC05744-8096

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 M    HW: 6R0 959 802 M  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  002 3321 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 110000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 P    HW: 6R0 959 801 P  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  002 3321 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 110000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H06 0023 
   Serial number: 2511619021502088AD1B
   Coding: 280000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 D    HW: 6R0 959 811 D
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  002 3321 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 100000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 D    HW: 6R0 959 812 D
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  002 3321 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 100000

1 Fault Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 2H0 959 655     HW: 2H0 959 655 
   Component: VW10Airbag017 H05 0011  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003DQ000EKXN
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003137
   Shop #: WSC 07456 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750_VW12.rod
   VCID: F1AABBDC20A002C7E6-80A4

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3495RRB404T6NG4AH91.

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3505RRB405N6DUG6DH1/

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3555YRB40516N1H84G9C

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3565YRB404V6NG4A5H73

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 2H0 920 853     HW: 2H0 920 853 
   Component: KOMBI         H09 0206  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 150A00
   Shop #: WSC 99999 102 209715
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: E582DF8CE468DE678A-80B0

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R7 937 087 B
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0015  
   Revision: -1------    
   Coding: 742300
   Shop #: WSC 37317 001 104857
   VCID: F0ACBED823AA0BCFE9-80A4

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 2H0 927 755 B    HW: 2H0 927 755 B
   Component: SG offroad VTG      0153  
   Revision: 00H06000    Serial number: T1IRB0950DPX67
   Coding: 0000013
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: AF2E7DA43E145437B0-80FA

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H09 0206  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03006
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: EA98ACB00D76F11FA7-80BE

No fault code found.

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Address 32: Differential Locks (J647)       Labels:* 2H0-927-771.clb
   Part No SW: 2H0 927 771     HW: 2H0 927 771 
   Component: Quersperre    H04 0014  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 4DG 21.05.10 00
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_QuersUDSAAMVN817 A01005
   ROD: EV_QuersUDSAAMVN817.rod
   VCID: EB96A9B4028CE817DC-80BE

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 6RD 035 187 B    HW: 6RD 035 187 B
   Component: Radio         541 5516  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: VWZZZ4H6279370
   Coding: 00000440040000
   Shop #: WSC 127395 840 08317
   VCID: C6C0380071AEF57F63-8092

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
   Component: Anhaenger     H07 0100  
   Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00000131405793
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: B02C7ED8E32A4BCFA9-80E4

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 00:53, VBatt start/end: 11.7V/11.7V. VIgn 11.7V)-----
 
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Ok, sorry for starting to answer my own questions... Figure out that I can change the coding on the slave modules...
And figured that 6C0 959 442 A under the BCM is my steering wheel...
But now I need to figure out what coding I need to use to enable the cruise control via the steering wheel...

Anyone with a autoscan on their newish vw that has got cc on the steering wheel??
 
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Picked up something else.
So the steering wheel controls, except for the cruise control, works fine, until I use the buttons on the stalk to scroll the mfd where after the steering wheel buttons for the mfd won't work anymore until I shut off the car and turn it on again.

Still can't get the steering wheel cruise control to work however. I checked the wiring diagrams and it appears that the BCM on the amarok get actual wires for the different cruise control demands. Might make it more difficult to move to the steering wheel, unless a signla from the switch cancels out the steering wheel controls similar to the other stalk and steering wheel buttons does.

Another difference is that the old cruise control has a permanent on switch which constantly closes a contact to the BCM, the new one is a signal from the steeringwheel rather than a permanent signal I think. Wondering if this is only compatible with newer BCMs and instrument clusters? I know the newer clusters will show you when the cruise is on vs active, mine only shows when it's active and not when it's on but inactive...
 
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Hello,

I won't be able to provide much assistance here but this vehicle cannot show MFSW functions under address 16. Instead, that's a slave of BCM/J519 as you mentioned:

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A HW: 6C0 959 442 A
Component: E221__MFL-TAT H06 0023
Serial number: 2511619021502088AD1B
Coding: 280000​

This is due to the vehicle platform rather than VCDS.

It is entirely possible that there's a more serious conflict preventing this form working but in my experience adding a MFSW and leaving the old MFA stalk installed can cause issues. Hopefully someone else can chime in here but I think you will need to either replace the stalk with a plain one (i.e. one that would be installed on a non MFA car) or isolate the wiring to/from those old stalk functions. Doing so may not get you any closer to functional CCS via the new wheel.

iichel may be able to recommend E221 slave coding based on some of his retrofit experience .. but this thread pointed out some of the discrepancies that could be relevant https://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?13199-Cruise-control-label-7E0-BCM-gt-cancel-switch

We will report back if anyone at RT has solid suggestions or advice.

In the meanwhile, we have a customer (enthusiast that may be joining the forum) with engine issues related to turbo adjustment after a new WG was installed. If you happen to have time to run both ken on, engine off -and- engine at idle Measuring value function blockmaps on address 01 it would be highly appreciated. Mapping is explained here and those CSV files can be opened with Notepad and pasted to forum like this example.
 
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This generation ECU doesn't support cruise from MFSW.
 
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This generation ECU doesn't support cruise from MFSW.
support.....but after ecu dump modyfication
already done and confirmed is 100% working, even with ACC
 
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