Whats the oil pressure at idle for a 2.0 engine?

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Hi to all, I have a 2009 Passat, 2.0 TSI engine.

I started to troubleshoot the low oil pressure light and I connected a mechanical oil pressure gauge; engine cold start I have 40 psi and then starts to gradually go down and remains steady at 12 psi (after 15 minutes). If I increase the RPMs to 2000 the pressure goes up to 40-45 psi.

This last number is consistent with the manual, however, I couldn't find a value for the pressure at idle.

Anybody knows this or flat out 12 psi is too low for the engine?

Thanks in advance!!
 
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I don't have a spec handy, but 12 psi at idle with the oil hot strikes me as OK / adequate.

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Heres the auto scan...

Code:
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VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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VIN: WVWJK73C89P051618   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 3C-VW46 (3C0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 53 56 62 65
          72

VIN: WVWJK73C89P051618   Mileage: 220680km-137124miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CCT)       Labels:. 06J-906-026-CCT.clb
   Part No SW: 06J 906 026 AG    HW: 06J 906 026 AF
   Component: MED17.5 TFSI 2,0    3319  
   Revision: AAH03---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0404010A19070160
   Shop #: WSC 00028 067 57207
   VCID: 6FBBD3A87B9BE4DF233-803A

8 Faults Found:
000768 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected 
               P0300 - 000 -  - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 11
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 220168 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.08
                    Time: 06:06:14

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1197 /min
                    Load: 24.7 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 31.0°C
                    Temperature: 21.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 960.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.224 V

000769 - Cylinder 1 
               P0301 - 000 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 8
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 220559 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.18
                    Time: 17:42:39

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1209 /min
                    Load: 22.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 41.0°C
                    Temperature: 33.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 960.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.097 V

000771 - Cylinder 3 
               P0303 - 000 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 8
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 220318 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.09
                    Time: 21:03:12

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 904 /min
                    Load: 22.7 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 82.0°C
                    Temperature: 56.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 960.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.589 V

000772 - Cylinder 4 
               P0304 - 000 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 10
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 220318 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.09
                    Time: 21:03:12

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 904 /min
                    Load: 22.7 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 82.0°C
                    Temperature: 56.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 960.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.589 V

000770 - Cylinder 2 
               P0302 - 000 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 8
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 220559 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.18
                    Time: 17:42:39

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1209 /min
                    Load: 22.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 41.0°C
                    Temperature: 33.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 960.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.097 V

000289 - Throttle Position Sensor (G69) 
               P0121 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 8
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 220396 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.11
                    Time: 16:10:36

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 824 /min
                    Load: 29.4 %
                    Speed: 3.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 98.0°C
                    Temperature: 57.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 960.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.081 V

000545 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle (G188) 
               P0221 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 220636 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.19
                    Time: 20:04:57

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1864 /min
                    Load: 51.0 %
                    Speed: 31.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 99.0°C
                    Temperature: 60.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.081 V

005464 - Throttle Actuator (G186) 
               P1558 - 000 - Electrical Malfunction - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2047.15.31
                    Time: 31:63:63

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 23.0°C
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 960.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 11.938 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 09G 927 750 GP    HW: 09G 927 750 GP
   Component: AQ 250 6F           1391  
   Revision: 00H76000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000840
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 055791004927CE8FF9F-8050

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 8
                    Reset counter: 201
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 T    HW: 3C0 614 109 T
   Component: J104    C4 440 V2   0013  
   Revision: --025---    Serial number: 00000786382439
   Coding: 0000376
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 2F3B13A8BB1BA4DF633-807A

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101101
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 18
                    Reset counter: 180
                    Mileage: 220307 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.09
                    Time: 15:51:47

             Freeze Frame:
                    Speed: 14.0 km/h
                    Hex Value: 0x002C
                    Voltage: 13.25 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00011111
                    Count: 217
                    Hex Value: 0x0000


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 JJ    HW: 1K0 820 047 JJ
   Component: Climatic PQ35   143 1313  
   Revision: 00143033    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 75B7E1C019C7DE0FE9F-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000006016552
   Coding: 15848F0340041A00470000000F00000000285D435C000120000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 33331FD85733803F07B-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 419 A  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 260908 004  0206  
   Coding: 00046997
   Shop #: WSC 00028  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M    HW: 8E0 035 593 M
   Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0150  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0467065
   Coding: 0000100
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 33331FD85733803F07B-8066

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 9
                    Reset counter: 10
                    Mileage: 216656 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.10.21
                    Time: 15:03:34


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 655     HW: 5N0 959 655 
   Component: J234__01F VW10 HI   1815  
   Revision: 19013000    Serial number: 0039BPN4LW65  
   Coding: 0012614
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 7AADF2FC30D9B17784D-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 959 339 D
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 001 0002

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 000000000029T8

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0030.10.080000100000650060ÿ†63

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 650060ÿ†6333FTS614512908 ÿ†63

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 12908 ÿ†6343FTS609522748 ÿ†63

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 22748 ÿ†6353ETS6LIKOU5KJ ÿ†63

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: OU5KJ ÿ†6363ETS6BBGOU5KJ ÿ†63

   Subsystem 8 - Serial number: OU5KJ ÿ†6374CTS6M52KVVNR ÿ†63

   Subsystem 9 - Serial number: KVVNR ÿ†6384CTS6H2HMVVNR ÿ

   Subsystem 10 - Serial number: MVVNR ÿ

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW25.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 AJ    HW: 3C0 953 549 AJ
   Component: J0527               0030  
   Revision: 00032000    Serial number: 3C5953507CN   
   Coding: 0001111
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 74B1DCC412BDC707DE1-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 3C0 920 971 S    HW: 3C0 920 971 S
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0110  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 260F00
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00021
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04040
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 353721C055C79E0F29F-8060

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 3C0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 L    HW: 3C0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H13 0152  
   Revision:   H13       Serial number: 3300P08A3002DA
   Coding: FD807F07001302001002
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 2A0D02BC80F9C1F7B4D-807E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 919 965     HW: 3C8 919 965 
   Component: Kompass         001 0001  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1614128T06YQ02
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 75B7E1C019C7DE0FE9F-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AP    HW: 3C0 959 433 AP
   Component:    IMMO         052 0383  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Shop #: WSC 22138 444 999999
   VCID: 78A9E8F40ED5A367F29-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 H
   Component:    ELV          028 0380
   3C0905861H     ELV          028 0380   

2 Faults Found:
01176 - Key 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 181
                    Mileage: 198245 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.09.23
                    Time: 06:50:56

02811 - Control Module for Electronic Steering Column Lock (J764) 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101110
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 196
                    Mileage: 220167 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.01.07
                    Time: 17:49:43


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AC    HW: 1K0 959 793 N
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1517  
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000768489007
   Coding: 0001205
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 6FBBD3A87B9BE4DF233-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 J    HW: 5N1 909 148 F
   Component: J500__APA-BS KL.082 0502  
   Revision: 1AH02240    Serial number: 00082170130502
   Coding: 0000258
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 392F2DF0755F7A6FCD7-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AP    HW: 3C0 959 433 AP
   Component:    KSG PQ46 RDK 052 0412  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 13910F8001862E521004141FF08A0F0E085801
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 78A9E8F40ED5A367F29-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AC    HW: 1K0 959 792 N
   Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1517  
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000626489004
   Coding: 0001204
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 70B9D0D466A5FB273A9-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 A    HW: 3C8 907 801 A
   Component: J540 EPB3  VW-10498 0003  
   Revision:   009       Serial number: 00000000189094
   Coding: 0000057
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 2809F8B49EF5F3E7A29-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 N    HW: 1K0 035 180 N
   Component: Radio PM6       130 0046  
   Revision: 00130000    Serial number: VWZ5Z7H2282132
   Coding: 0040402
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 2B0307B88F03D8FF4FB-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AD    HW: 1K0 959 795 P
   Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   0308  
   Revision: 42004101    Serial number: 00000000708029
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 72BDDADC68A9C937CCD-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AP    HW: 3C0 959 433 AP
   Component:    RDK              0453  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 78A9E8F40ED5A367F29-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AD    HW: 1K0 959 794 P
   Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   0308  
   Revision: 42004101    Serial number: 00000000712342
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 73B3DFD817B3C03FC7B-8026

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:29, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 12.0V)-----
 
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UPDATE.

I manage to install a "T" with the switch and a mechanical pressure gauge attached. After aprox. 20 min the the warning light came on, I stop, open the hood and the pressure is CERO. Theres no weird sounds from the engine and it actually runs smooth. My questions are:

1.- Can it be that a simple thing like an STP oil filter be causing this?

2.- If I need to change the oil pump, do I have to remove the engine?

At this point I'm considering selling the car as is if I need to remove the engine, but I'm hoping for a any suggestion that I'm missing to troubleshoot this issue.

Thanks.
 
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What does Erwin say?
Well erWin also says that I need a $200 equipment to test a $15 part. :D

I got the oil pump out; does anybody rebuild them or is pretty much recycle can and buy a new one? a machine shop can rebuild it?

Another question, what are the symptoms of a bad balance shaft?
 
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I would just throw a new pump in since there not that expensive and you have it out. But also pumps create flow, not pressure, its the restriction of flow/ restrictions/ tolerances technically that create the pressure. Side note, from a SSP there are if im not mistaken 2 or 3 different oil pumps for the tsi engines, vw to audi and maybe it was 2 for audi depending on year and engine code. Im interested in the outcome of this since oil pressure problems are becoming more apparent in these engines in all sorts of ways. A lot of times ive heard it'll come on when leaving or coming to a stop for a second and go away but also many other ways which is difficult to pinpoint, very intermittently. If anyone else has something to add on this, the balance shafts have little oil screens on them that clog up and can cause the light and or just lock the engine. The exhaust one has a plastic sleeve around it that can start breaking apart and block the oil screen also. The only real way to check the bearing play on them is to remove the lower timing cover and chains and physically check the play by hand, to check the oil screens you'd really have to remove them. (open to input) That being said these engines are very sensitive to oil pressure changes and the sensor picks it up, audi more so since it uses 2 sensors in the same spot as vw which has 1 on the gen 2 or 1 however technical you want to get. Also having so many little passages, screens, ports, seals, valves that can cause it, tracking it down can be difficult. I'm all ears to every oil pressure related thread with symptoms and solutions people find. Every piece of knowledge on this topic is worth knowing.
 
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Well I finally got to install the new oil pump and took the car for a test drive, same problem: almost 60 psi of pressure at cold, CERO after 5 miles.

It's disappointing but it is what it is, not putting any more money in the car, will sell as is.

Thanks all for the input and the help.
 
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How is that it doesn't or didn't apply, shouldn't it of been recalled for safety issue's?

Did you complain to NHTSA yet?

Why or where are you losing the oil PSI in the engine?

Don't you realize that safety campaigns are for 15/150K even if self imposed?
 
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Why or where are you losing the oil PSI in the engine?
Why: that's what I'm asking help in this forum.

Where: the "Low Pressure Light" came on, after troubleshooting decided to put a new oil pump; didn't fix the problem.
 
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How about inspecting the adjuster for cam & bridge for damage as a result from inadequate useful life failure & possible FOD?

Did you change filter and inspect bypass or regulation for proper function?
 
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How about inspecting the adjuster for cam & bridge for damage as a result from inadequate useful life failure & possible FOD?
Does it have another name? I search on the Manual for "cam bridge", "camshaft bridge", "camshaft bracket", "adjuster" with no results.

Did you change filter and inspect bypass or regulation for proper function?
Wastegate Bypass Regulator Valve?
 
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