2009 Jetta S ABS ESP lights on Brake light flashing

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2009 Jetta S MT daily driver with 150,000 miles. ABS, ESP dash lights are lit, brake light flashes with warning tones after startup. Only complaint prior to these warning lights was the rear two tires lose air in about 24hrs, sometimes the left rear, sometime the right, sometimes both. This is my first time using VCDS and I was hoping that it was a wheel sensor or something easy or more obvious causing it. So far I've checked fuses, visual inspection of ABS module and pulled all four wheels and inspected.
Code:
Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 65 72

VIN: 3VWHM71K89M073088   Mileage: 247090km-153534miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: Malfunction 0010
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Address 01: Engine (CBT)       Labels: 07K-906-055-CBT.clb
   Part No SW: 07K 906 055 Q    HW: 07K 906 055 M
   Component: 2,5l R5/4V      G   9971  
   Revision: G6H02---    Serial number: VWX7Z0H924K0V7
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 35064 000 1048576
   VCID: 3C2134803A6CD667D61-8068

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 CD    HW: 1K0 907 379 AD
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H35 0120  
   Revision: 00H35001    
   Coding: 113B400D492900FD880B02EC922100413000
   Shop #: WSC 50897 001 1048576
   VCID: 76B5E6A848C04C37E05-8022

1 Fault Found:
01130 - ABS Operation 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 12
                    Mileage: 246307 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 32768
                    Count: 4608
                    Count: 125
                    Count: 51241
                    Count: 65275
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 JM    HW: 1K0 820 047 JM
   Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1212  
   Revision: 00142032    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 78A9E8904ED43A47F29-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 D    HW: 3C8 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000001114734
   Coding: 14058E234004150007140000001400000008730B5C000120000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 323D1AB8E82810170CD-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 100908 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 00066  

1 Fault Found:
01117 - Generator Terminal DF Load Signal 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 75
                    Mileage: 247026 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.00 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 6A AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6M07ATBD  
   Coding: 0013889
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6C81C4C00A8C86E7061-8038

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 H
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0006

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME3F447760H

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME3F0506168

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME18381F65E

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME18381621+

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME18574B286

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME18580D2FD

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BR    HW: 1K0 953 549 BR
   Component: J0527           051 0101  
   Coding: 0000021
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 03538F7C0712699FD7B-8056

5 Faults Found:
00576 - Terminal 15 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00885 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal 50 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 954 S    HW: 1K0 920 954 S
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 1222  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H924K0V7
   Coding: 0023203
   Shop #: WSC 23317 444 84045
   VCID: 3C2134803A6CD667D61-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 5063  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 060908F1000925
   Coding: E9807F070002021002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 353721A41946072F29F-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 954 S    HW: 1K0 920 954 S
   Component: IMMO            3HL 1222  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H924K0V7
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3C2134803A6CD667D61-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AC    HW: 1K0 959 793 N
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1519  
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000518388927
   Coding: 0001205
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6FBBD3CC3B9A7DFF233-803A

3 Faults Found:
01552 - Motor for Central Locking; Drivers Door (V56); Lock 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 75
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0

00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 35
                    Mileage: 216212 km
                    Time Indication: 0

00105 - Signal Central Locking SAVE/LOCK Drivers Side 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 75
                    Mileage: 236753 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 C
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69     2301  
   Revision: 00H15000    
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2A0D02D8C0F858D7B4D-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 13900F880186281B0904058FB0880F0488DCA0
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 04518C60021C6EA7EE1-8050

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AC    HW: 1K0 959 792 N
   Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1519  
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 08091912163601
   Coding: 0001204
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 70B9D0B026A462073A9-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-161.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 161 D    HW: 1K0 035 161 D
   Component: Radio DE2       018 0021  
   Revision: 00018000    Serial number: VWZ4Z7H6385115
   Coding: 0040401
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 2019E0F0B6C49287EA9-8074

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AH    HW: 1K0 959 795 T
   Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   1401  
   Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000003519038
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 76B5E6A844C04C37E05-8022

2 Faults Found:
00930 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Left (F222) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 75
                    Mileage: 216182 km
                    Time Indication: 0

01554 - Motors for Central Locking; Rear Doors; Lock 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 35
                    Mileage: 216182 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    RDK              0450  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 04518C60021C6EA7EE1-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AH    HW: 1K0 959 794 T
   Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   1401  
   Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000003524961
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 77ABEBAC43CA353FFB3-8022

2 Faults Found:
00931 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Right (F223) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 75
                    Mileage: 216341 km
                    Time Indication: 0

01554 - Motors for Central Locking; Rear Doors; Lock 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 62
                    Reset counter: 35
                    Mileage: 216341 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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I'll be happy when this is fixed so I can finally repair the random unlocked door(s). Thanks in advance.
 
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Hello and welcome to the VCDS forum OP.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01130

Has your car had any recall campaigns done recently or work operations for this problem, because your car appears to have been altered with update programming of the ABS module?

https://vinrcl.safercar.gov/vin/vinLookup

VIN: 3VWHM71K89M073088
Year: 2009 Make: VW Model: JETTA 2.5 S MANUAL
Number of Open Recalls: 0
Additional Safety Information
Besides the VIN search tool you just used, NHTSA offers additional safety information based on a vehicle's make, model, and model year and not tied to any particular VIN. A search by vehicle make, model, and model year gives you access to information about technical service bulletins, NHTSA investigations, and owner complaints, as well as safety recalls on aftermarket equipment that is often not linked to a particular VIN or even to your vehicle's manufacturer.
To search NHTSA's safety information based on your vehicle's make, model, and model year, please go to the Safety Issues section opens new window and follow the instructions there.

Recall information for this manufacturer is only available going back to August 19, 2004. If your vehicle was manufactured before this date, please contact the manufacturer for possible additional recall information.
You might enjoy this thread, no?
https://forums.ross-tech.com/showth...ic-Unit-Replacement-Original-Code-not-working

Did you JPPSG?

Ever consider if OEM fails to rectify this free or to your expectations, that reporting it helps everyone, since a widespread pattern seems to exist?

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/
 
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Great Questions

Hello and welcome to the VCDS forum OP.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01130

Has your car had any recall campaigns done recently or work operations for this problem, because your car appears to have been altered with update programming of the ABS module?

Did you JPPSG?
I took the car in a couple of years ago to the dealership for a recall if I remember right. Last work that was done was back in March/April replaced the original battery (very dead) and both cooling fans to solve an overheat-A/C problem. (I had taken the car in for service at a VW Dealership in Bavaria they could not replicate the overheating problem from the one hot day in Bavaria but figured it was probably a bad thermostat, once we got thru the language barrier that is. It wasn't a bad thermostat. And they didn't have VWoA code readers or were familiar with 2.5L engine problems. I will say I was super impressed with the service.)

I saw the JPPSG and the other ABS threads before when I was shopping for VCDS. Found the wiki index and 01130 so I started there, but the Bentley manual glosses over the ABS system at least for me.

Thanks for the reminder, Ill start JPPSG.
 
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I got a chance to dig back into the ABS but I could use some help deciphering what I'm reading. So I understand Fault code 01130, found the Wiki support and suggested fixes. I ran thru the ABS module test with the "press brake pedal' prompts as it goes thru the four wheels. That test was good, so I went back looking for wiring problems. The 01130 fault comes back after reset as soon as you drive away.

Question for the Group: What is this freeze frame info trying to tell me?

1 Fault Found:
01130 - ABS Operation
008 - Implausible Signal
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 93
Mileage: 249836 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Count: 0
Count: 0
Count: 4608
Count: 125
Count: 48399
Count: 62703
Count: 0
Count: 0
 
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I got a chance to dig back into the ABS but I could use some help deciphering what I'm reading. So I understand Fault code 01130, found the Wiki support and suggested fixes. I ran thru the ABS module test with the "press brake pedal' prompts as it goes thru the four wheels. That test was good, so I went back looking for wiring problems. The 01130 fault comes back after reset as soon as you drive away.

Question for the Group: What is this freeze frame info trying to tell me?

1 Fault Found:
01130 - ABS Operation
008 - Implausible Signal
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 93
Mileage: 249836 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
Count: 0
Count: 0
Count: 4608
Count: 125
Count: 48399
Count: 62703
Count: 0
Count: 0
So you took this car in for the ABS control module software update.......... I take it they did not replace the ABS module at that time correct?? If so you now have one of the two DTC that VW looks for to then replace the module after the software update or at a later time if it comes up with the correct freeze frame data in line 4 which you now have.

"NOTE
 Fault 01130 MUST have 125 shown in the 4th line
of the Expanded ambient conditions to qualify for
ABS module replacement and/or fault 16352
MUST have 96 shown in the 4th line of the
Expanded ambient conditions to qualify for ABS
module replacement."

Stop playing with it and go to dealer for free replacement.
 
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Problem has been reported to NHTSA. I really need to find where the wife put the last recall paperwork :p
 
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So you took this car in for the ABS control module software update.......... I take it they did not replace the ABS module at that time correct?? If so you now have one of the two DTC that VW looks for to then replace the module after the software update or at a later time if it comes up with the correct freeze frame data in line 4 which you now have.

"NOTE
 Fault 01130 MUST have 125 shown in the 4th line
of the Expanded ambient conditions to qualify for
ABS module replacement and/or fault 16352
MUST have 96 shown in the 4th line of the
Expanded ambient conditions to qualify for ABS
module replacement."

Stop playing with it and go to dealer for free replacement.
That sounds correct, software update didn't replace the ABS. I'll check my paperwork.

Best explanation I've heard. It's above my paygrade.
 
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That sounds correct, software update didn't replace the ABS. I'll check my paperwork.

Best explanation I've heard. It's above my paygrade.
Your dealer also has the "paperwork" you can give them a nice call.

"To help correct this defect, your authorized Volkswagen dealer will update the ABS control
module software with improved diagnostic capability to detect insufficient PCU ground
connection. ABS modules with insufficient ground connections will be replaced. The
software update will take less than an hour to complete; if the ABS module requires
replacement, this work can take up to a full day to complete. The recall repair will be
performed for you free of charge.
Should there ever be an issue with the ABS control module after the new software is
installed, an authorized Volkswagen dealer will cover replacement of the ABS control
module if certain, specific fault codes are present at the time of diagnosis.
Please be aware that other conditions (unrelated to the issue described in this letter) may
cause the ABS system warning light in your vehicle to illuminate. Customers should be
prepared to cover diagnosis and repair costs associated with these other, unrelated
conditions."

Almost all the info you need is here https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2016/RCRIT-16V913-6522.pdf
 
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It's not like you are asking the OEM to do any more than what they promised & before trying to make you part with your money first ignoring this obligation, is that right OP?

Do you have an estimate invoice in writing showing the dealer tried to sell this to you and say it was not under warranty, if so shouldn't you get this & post for other Forum members?
 
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So week ago Friday I took the car in to my local VW Dealer with the paperwork from VW about the recall and the invoice from when this dealer did the Software update in Feb 2017. The Service Manager was pretty set that the update was the fix and I'd be paying for a new ABS system, until I showed him in black and white where it says that if the warning re-appears even after the software update and certain fault codes are recorded VW will replace free of charge. So since i knew what the fault codes were (Thanks @MVB)I was more than happy to have them look into it and if it turned out by some fluke it wasn't covered I was ready to pay for that too.

I dropped the car off in the morning and got a phone call saying it was my ignition switch, they didn't have one and would have to order it and can't get it till Monday and the car was ready I asked if i could order one now, no but you can order one when you pick up your car. When I picked it up the person covering the service desk was confused, invoice/paperwork wasn't clear on what exactly was done so she called the Service Manager who told her the problem was my ignition switch and no charge which she was surprised at. Now It was "possible" that the ignition switch was causing the ABS fault, it was where I was going to start, but highly unlikely.

So today I replaced the Ignition switch with a VW one from FCP Euro. I cleared the DTC codes and took it for a test drive. The Intermittent faults from the Ignition switch are gone! Yay, small victories. But Guess which fault and warning lights came right back when I drove away.....ABS
 
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Is someone here you aforementioned OP, kicking the can down the road to circumvent a responsibility?
 
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I contacted VW customer care they opened up a case number with a recommendation to take it back to the dealer.
 
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I contacted VW customer care they opened up a case number with a recommendation to take it back to the dealer.

That is exactly what I was going to suggest you do call CC and tell them safety issue and dealer is dragging their feet........I do not know why as they are not paying for it.
 
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SAMV WROTE: I contacted VW customer care they opened up a case number with a recommendation to take it back to the dealer.
MVB WROTE: That is exactly what I was going to suggest you do call CC and tell them safety issue and dealer is dragging their feet........I do not know why as they are not paying for it.

Maybe they are trying to get paid twice?

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Maybe they are trying to get paid twice?

:popcorn:
Would they not be getting paid for the two procedures..............the first being the software update and then the ABS module R&R if found defective.
 
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Would they not be getting paid for the two procedures..............the first being the software update and then the ABS module R&R if found defective.
If someone was up to nefarious behavior and wanted to get paid by the consumer & the OEM, wouldn't this fit such a pervasive pattern, no?
 
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