2008 Audi TT 3.2 AWD - P1545 and P1558 - Throttle Body

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Hello,

We keep throwing these codes! Only happens when driving for a while (on freeway). We have replaced the throttle body THREE TIMES now, argh. We have replaced the connector plug, spliced in new wires, and new pins. All continuity to ECU and resistance values check out fine. Drives just fine for a few weeks then fails while driving. Letting the engine cool down will allow it to start and run again.

What am I missing? Is the ECU prone to this type of failure (about the only thing I haven't replaced yet).

Thanks,
Kelly

P.S. Log file:

Code:
                Address 01: Engine       Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 022 906 032 HG    HW: 022 906 032 GP
  Component and/or Version: TT-3.2-DQ-LEV2  G   0862
           Software Coding: 0000178
            Work Shop Code: WSC 01236 785 00200
                      VCID: 57FE8EECE6988BF2CC-8002
2 Faults Found:

005445 - Throttle Valve Controller 
               P1545 - 008 - Malfunction - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 192463 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.04.21
                    Time: 15:53:27

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2513 /min
                    Load: 18.4 %
                    Speed: 101.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 73.0°C
                    Temperature: 17.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 850.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.097 V

005464 - Throttle Actuator (G186) 
               P1558 - 002 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 192464 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Load: 100.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 72.0°C
                    Temperature: 21.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 850.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 9.652 V


Readiness: 0010 0100
 
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Stop running FOD modified code and more DTC's will come up to guide you.
What is FOD modified code? I don’t understand. I am using HEX-NET and the latest VCDS from Ross-Tech. Or are you suggesting that the ECU has been modified?!?

Thanks
Kelly
 
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Hmmm. I have used modified ECU's before (urS6, RS6, VW GTI, etc.), but not on this car. I have not had good luck in my area with tunes like this because (theory) I live at higher altitude (5000 ft) and high summer time temperatures (100 F). They tend to crash at peak performance on pump gas.

Unfortunately, this car was purchased for my son's daily driver, not a tuner. So...what was the hint that you think the ECU is modified? Can you tell/guess which one it is (GIAC, Unitronic, ???). I want to UNDO this, but we are not the ones that did it. How would I do this short of finding a new ECU?
 
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Hmmm. I have used modified ECU's before (urS6, RS6, VW GTI, etc.), but not on this car. I have not had good luck in my area with tunes like this because (theory) I live at higher altitude (5000 ft) and high summer time temperatures (100 F). They tend to crash at peak performance on pump gas.

Unfortunately, this car was purchased for my son's daily driver, not a tuner. So...what was the hint that you think the ECU is modified? Can you tell/guess which one it is (GIAC, Unitronic, ???). I want to UNDO this, but we are not the ones that did it. How would I do this short of finding a new ECU?

Indeed lets attempt to qualify FOD!
Please clear all fault codes and post a new complete auto-scan after letting car idle for 30 seconds & with the addition of the OBD2 data Modes 0x33 MODE 01-01, 03, 7 & 9 saved to the scan folder.


 
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Indeed lets attempt to qualify FOD!
Please clear all fault codes and post a new complete auto-scan after letting car idle for 30 seconds & with the addition of the OBD2 data Modes 0x33 MODE 01-01, 03, 7 & 9 saved to the scan folder.
Hello,

Here is the complete scan after clearing all codes and running an auto-scan after 30 seconds with the car idling:

Code:
Friday,16,August,2019,13:25:18:38383
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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VIN: TRUDD38J481002253   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 8J (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 14 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 47 52 55 56
          65 76

VIN: TRUDD38J481002253   Mileage: 197160km-122509miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 HG    HW: 022 906 032 GP
   Component: TT-3.2-DQ-LEV2  G   0862  
   Revision: 1QH02---    Serial number: AUX7Z0G2FNG00D
   Coding: 0000178
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: D7FE0EEC66980BF708-8082

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 0100

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 011 BL    HW: 02E 927 770 AD
   Component: GSG DSG         082 1396  
   Revision: 05108020    Serial number: 00001005190451
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
   VCID: DAF817D8158A169F37-808E

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8J0-614-517.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 614 517     HW: 8J0 614 517 
   Component: ESP MK60E1          0130  
   Revision: 00H52001    
   Coding: 0026177
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: EA984718C5EA861FA7-80BE

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8J0 820 043 AA    HW: 8J0 820 043 AA
   Component: J255  Klima 1 Zone  0060  
   Revision: 00H07003    Serial number: 00000001024006
   Coding: 1048614
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: E58234242CF4A9678A-80B0

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 8P0-907-279-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 H    HW: 8P0 907 279 H
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H46 1802  
   Revision: 00H46000    Serial number: 00000006810467
   Coding: F1041E83C0141C0003180000180000000028EE075A250802
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: C2C8CFB89D1ABE5F4F-8096

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AU354   H05 0060  
   Coding: 00064784
   Shop #: WSC 01236  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 A  Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH13 0090  
   Coding: 00149804
   Shop #: WSC 01236  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 14: Susp. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-376.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 910 376     HW: 8J0 907 376 A
   Component: J250 Raddaempfung   0050  
   Revision: --H16---    Serial number: 190DPH 7032349
   Coding: 0000012
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: EC944100CF1E982FD5-80B8

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8J0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 959 655     HW: 8J0 959 655 
   Component: -E Airbag 9.43  H02 0020  
   Revision: 93H02002    Serial number: 0036K001056+  
   Coding: 0011589
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: F9BA6854B04C3D875E-80AC

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J0 910 339 A
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. H02 0030

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 007XR         

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0001.01.0000H0200000000000ÿ†63

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 000000ÿ†6332DRB40493049DPÿ†63

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 3049DPÿ†6342DRB404DA94A8%ÿ†63

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: A94A8%ÿ†63747RB40177B2F0Qÿ†63

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 7B2F0Qÿ†63847RB40177B287Rÿ

   Subsystem 8 - Serial number: 7B287Rÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 F    HW: 8P0 953 549 F
   Component: J0527           H36 0070  
   Coding: 0014141
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: C1CAC0B4981CA54756-8094

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           H06 0030

2 Faults Found:
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
01301 - Control Module for Voice Recognition (J507) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8J0-920-xxx-17-MY7.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 920 990 C    HW: 8J0 920 990 C
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H21 0070  
   Revision: D0H21004    Serial number: 2242G004002861
   Coding: 0113208
   Shop #: WSC 58755 067 57207
   VCID: B2289F782DBA0EDFDF-80E6

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H12 0170  
   Revision:   H12       Serial number: 33001073070850
   Coding: FF8F076227004100
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA

1 Fault Found:
02649 - Digital Radio Tuner 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 88
                    Mileage: 197163 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.16
                    Time: 13:21:56


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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 1K0-907-554.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 554 L
   Component: Haldex 4Motion      0116  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: B620A368C1D212FFF3-80E2

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 920 990 C    HW: 8J0 920 990 C
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H21 0070  
   Revision: D0H21004    Serial number: AUX7Z0G2FNG00D
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: B2289F782DBA0EDFDF-80E6

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 8J8 959 801 C
   Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: BD32BC44E4E4C1A732-80E8

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 8J1 909 143 B
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.155 H07 1807  
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8J0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 8J0 959 433 A
   Component:    KSG          H08 0070  
   Coding: 9B90328201382D290F0FC88A0477
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: B4249960D7AE00EFCD-80E0

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8J0-035-223.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 035 223 C    HW: 8J0 035 223 C
   Component: J525 Amp High   H04 0110  
   Revision: PROD_01     Serial number: 00000000008688
   Coding: 0236116
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: A4046920674E906F5D-80F0

1 Fault Found:
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 88
                    Mileage: 197163 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.16
                    Time: 13:21:55


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 8P0-959-802-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 8J8 959 802 C
   Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: BE30BB48E9E2DABF2B-80EA

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 F    HW: 4F0 907 357 F
   Component: AFS 1           H01 0020  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000025
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: A91A7814006C4D076E-80FC

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul links H04 0020

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH04 0020

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 035 195 A    HW: 8J0 035 195 A
   Component: R Symphony2+    H15 0221  
   Revision: 00H15000    Serial number: AUZ1Z4G6068130
   Coding: 0670102
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: AA188718056A461F67-80FE

2 Faults Found:
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 88
                    Mileage: 197163 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.16
                    Time: 13:23:14

02218 - Satellite Radio (R146) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 88
                    Mileage: 197163 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.16
                    Time: 13:23:14


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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 8J0-907-273.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 907 273 A    HW: 8J0 907 273 A
   Component: J502_RDK        H02 0300  
   Revision: --H02-B0    Serial number: 11970770279423
   Coding: 0840019
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8P0-919-283.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 919 283 D    HW: 8P0 919 283 D
   Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H09 0060  
   Revision: 00H09000    Serial number: 00067824830707
   Coding: 0001231
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: BC34B140FFFEC8AF05-80E8

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:43, VBatt start/end: 13.3V/13.1V)-----------
In addition, I have included the ODB2 data from Modes 1-01, 3, 7, and 9 as screen shots (couldn't figure out how to capture as log or scan files):

Mode 1-01:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Avrv_NULbNUugZUGFS_6W7QkdT0YSA?e=NZaxpP

Mode 3:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Avrv_NULbNUugZUH4S57M656crkZvQ?e=GcODMz

Mode 7:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Avrv_NULbNUugZUIstwdrkZt7ETKoQ?e=VggAxL

Mode 9:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Avrv_NULbNUugZUJ0wVJ2_KQQJiQMQ?e=cbqRYE
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Avrv_NULbNUugZUKYy3T13QiEXXjpg?e=JCmD6o

Thanks for your help.

Frankly, I don't see anything unusual with these scans. At this point the car will drive just fine until at random it will throw the two TB codes again and won't start. Usually on the side of the freeway in the middle of nowhere. Argh. Hope you can see something I can't. Thanks again.

Best,
Kelly Stevens
 
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Hello,

Here is the complete scan after clearing all codes and running an auto-scan after 30 seconds with the car idling:
Nope it is FOD.......

CAT CANT BE READY BEFORE BEING TESTED IN OPERATION FOR AMPLITUDE DROP.




-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 01: Engine Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
Part No SW: 022 906 032 HG HW: 022 906 032 GP
Component: TT-3.2-DQ-LEV2 G 0862
Revision: 1QH02--- Serial number: AUX7Z0G2FNG00D
Coding: 0000178
Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
VCID: D7FE0EEC66980BF708-8082

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 0100

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Kelly,
No screenshots to observe.

Confirmed........
Car must have FOD modified code removed & in order to make use of VCDS, so ECU will report tests being circumvented by nefarious code deleting the AECD's purported by your tuner!

Frankly, I don't see anything unusual with these scans.
It's hard to see something that cant report indeed!
 
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So I wonder how your car could of had such a gross inconsistency with the data as certified, do you?




8VWXV03.2535 PAGE 75 for your pleasure.

https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=18504&flag=1

ECM022 906 032 HG1166C14146EF8VWXV03.2535















Pictures above taken from links as detailed in quotes below by OP of record.









 
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 022 906 032 HG HW: 022 906 032 GP
Component and/or Version: TT-3.2-DQ-LEV2 G 0862
Software Coding: 0000178
Work Shop Code: WSC 01236 785 00200
VCID: 57FE8EECE6988BF2CC-8002
This news item may bring you some clarity as to why I am requesting such data?

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/11...on-test-vehicles-for-years-rather-than-crush/


Again........8VWXV03.2535 PAGE 75 for your pleasure.

https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=18504&flag=1




Vehicle Identification No.TRUDD38J481002253
Modelaudi tt coupe 3.2 qu.
ATT
Date of production28.03.2007
Model year2007
Sales type8J351L
Engine CodeCBRA
Transmission CodeJPZ

Emission standard7GAEmission standard LEV 2

PART NUMBERVIN NUMBERDESCRIPTIONREMARKMODEL
022 997 034 EXTRUDD38J481002253Control unit for petrol engine
022 906 032HG

code letter:
6-speed
dual clutch
gearbox+
CBRA






OP let's test this theory of liability a bit further & get to the bottom of the box on this okay?

Could you post a picture of your ECU outside and inside with clarity please?

I'd like to see if we see anything that is relevant to your described condition in the ECU or externally.

Take a fresh step towards extricating the car.......

 
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Hello,

Thanks for you efforts. Wow! Here is a series of photos of the ECU as we extracted it and examined it. Note, we have had this out of the car once before to inspect the wiring (hence the security bolts are slotted now. We did that).

Here is the ECU in place before removal:


Here is the ECU after extraction for the vehicle:


Here is the ECU label:


Here are three images showing the tag on the cabling (looks stock):




Here is an image of the cable connectors showing no damage:


Here is an image of the inside of the ECU:


Here is an image of the ROM chip inside of the ECU:


And lastly....here is an image of some possible corrosion we find inside the ECU. We have hence cleaned it up - it was difficult to get off:


Thoughts? Thank you.
 
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No, not the original owner. My son purchased it from a local used car dealer a few years ago.

It is interesting that the corrosion is on the throttle body controller pins. Our current plan is to clean up the corrosion (thanks for the sanding tip), put it back together, and drive until it fails again (confirming it was not the corrosion). It can take three months to fail sometimes. Very unpredictable.

I am an engineer (retired), so my mind works in trying to understand the failure mode. The corrosion could definitely cause erratic behavior like this. Especially if it has been reflashed with code that is tighter on the edges of the control mappings. Hmm.

I also note that the ECU label on the outside has a date code of 07-02-12. This basically proves the ECU has been replaced - assuming this is a date code. The date codes on the car and the actual ROM chip in the ECU do make sense though.

The ECU part number is ... HG, which is correct for this year. The ... HG version is a supercession of the ... EX version though. This would also possibly indicate an early production vehicle.

Going back to your theory of liability. Interesting. Are you suggesting that the build date for the car is early enough to be a pre-production version that may have been sold to the public unscrupulously?

BTW, we ran a full scan again on the car after clearing the codes and got a different readiness code just 30 seconds after starting the engine. Note sure if the previous one was because I had been idling the engine for a bit (much more than 30 seconds) while I was hooking up VCDS. At any rate, here it is for your interest:

Code:
Saturday,17,August,2019,15:28:09:38383
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TRUDD38J481002253   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 8J (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 14 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 47 52 55 56
          65 76

VIN: TRUDD38J481002253   Mileage: 197160km-122509miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 HG    HW: 022 906 032 GP
   Component: TT-3.2-DQ-LEV2  G   0862  
   Revision: 1QH02---    Serial number: AUX7Z0G2FNG00D
   Coding: 0000178
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: D7FE0EEC66980BF708-8082

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 1101

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 011 BL    HW: 02E 927 770 AD
   Component: GSG DSG         082 1396  
   Revision: 05108020    Serial number: 00001005190451
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
   VCID: DAF817D8158A169F37-808E

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8J0-614-517.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 614 517     HW: 8J0 614 517 
   Component: ESP MK60E1          0130  
   Revision: 00H52001    
   Coding: 0026177
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: EA984718C5EA861FA7-80BE

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8J0 820 043 AA    HW: 8J0 820 043 AA
   Component: J255  Klima 1 Zone  0060  
   Revision: 00H07003    Serial number: 00000001024006
   Coding: 1048614
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: E58234242CF4A9678A-80B0

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 8P0-907-279-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 H    HW: 8P0 907 279 H
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H46 1802  
   Revision: 00H46000    Serial number: 00000006810467
   Coding: F1041E83C0141C0003180000180000000028EE075A250802
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: C2C8CFB89D1ABE5F4F-8096

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AU354   H05 0060  
   Coding: 00064784
   Shop #: WSC 01236  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 A  Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH13 0090  
   Coding: 00149804
   Shop #: WSC 01236  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 14: Susp. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-376.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 910 376     HW: 8J0 907 376 A
   Component: J250 Raddaempfung   0050  
   Revision: --H16---    Serial number: 190DPH 7032349
   Coding: 0000012
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: EC944100CF1E982FD5-80B8

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8J0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 959 655     HW: 8J0 959 655 
   Component: -E Airbag 9.43  H02 0020  
   Revision: 93H02002    Serial number: 0036K001056+  
   Coding: 0011589
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: F9BA6854B04C3D875E-80AC

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J0 910 339 A
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. H02 0030

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 007XR         

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0001.01.0000H0200000000000ÿ†63

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 000000ÿ†6332DRB40493049DPÿ†63

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 3049DPÿ†6342DRB404DA94A8%ÿ†63

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: A94A8%ÿ†63747RB40177B2F0Qÿ†63

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 7B2F0Qÿ†63847RB40177B287Rÿ

   Subsystem 8 - Serial number: 7B287Rÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 F    HW: 8P0 953 549 F
   Component: J0527           H36 0070  
   Coding: 0014141
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: C1CAC0B4981CA54756-8094

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           H06 0030

2 Faults Found:
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
01301 - Control Module for Voice Recognition (J507) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8J0-920-xxx-17-MY7.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 920 990 C    HW: 8J0 920 990 C
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H21 0070  
   Revision: D0H21004    Serial number: 2242G004002861
   Coding: 0113208
   Shop #: WSC 58755 067 57207
   VCID: B2289F782DBA0EDFDF-80E6

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H12 0170  
   Revision:   H12       Serial number: 33001073070850
   Coding: FF8F076227004100
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA

1 Fault Found:
02649 - Digital Radio Tuner 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 89
                    Mileage: 197163 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.17
                    Time: 15:26:10


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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 1K0-907-554.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 554 L
   Component: Haldex 4Motion      0116  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: B620A368C1D212FFF3-80E2

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 920 990 C    HW: 8J0 920 990 C
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H21 0070  
   Revision: D0H21004    Serial number: AUX7Z0G2FNG00D
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: B2289F782DBA0EDFDF-80E6

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 8J8 959 801 C
   Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: BD32BC44E4E4C1A732-80E8

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 8J1 909 143 B
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.155 H07 1807  
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8J0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 8J0 959 433 A
   Component:    KSG          H08 0070  
   Coding: 9B90328201382D290F0FC88A0477
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: B4249960D7AE00EFCD-80E0

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8J0-035-223.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 035 223 C    HW: 8J0 035 223 C
   Component: J525 Amp High   H04 0110  
   Revision: PROD_01     Serial number: 00000000008688
   Coding: 0236116
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: A4046920674E906F5D-80F0

1 Fault Found:
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 89
                    Mileage: 197163 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.17
                    Time: 15:26:10


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 8P0-959-802-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 8J8 959 802 C
   Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: BE30BB48E9E2DABF2B-80EA

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 F    HW: 4F0 907 357 F
   Component: AFS 1           H01 0020  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000025
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: A91A7814006C4D076E-80FC

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul links H04 0020

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH04 0020

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 035 195 A    HW: 8J0 035 195 A
   Component: R Symphony2+    H15 0221  
   Revision: 00H15000    Serial number: AUZ1Z4G6068130
   Coding: 0670102
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: AA188718056A461F67-80FE

2 Faults Found:
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 89
                    Mileage: 197163 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.17
                    Time: 15:26:41

02218 - Satellite Radio (R146) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 89
                    Mileage: 197163 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.17
                    Time: 15:26:41


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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 8J0-907-273.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 907 273 A    HW: 8J0 907 273 A
   Component: J502_RDK        H02 0300  
   Revision: --H02-B0    Serial number: 11970770279423
   Coding: 0840019
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8P0-919-283.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 919 283 D    HW: 8P0 919 283 D
   Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H09 0060  
   Revision: 00H09000    Serial number: 00067824830707
   Coding: 0001231
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: BC34B140FFFEC8AF05-80E8

No fault code found.

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Here also are the screen shots of the OBD readings:






Thanks,
Kelly
 
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Jack@European_Parts

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Great fabulous questions, let's ask some more good questions & with self evident answers & maybe you can derive from the new questions in recant to yours, okay & because I would never want to say something by mistake that could be considered incendiary?

No, not the original owner. My son purchased it from a local used car dealer a few years ago.
It is interesting that the corrosion is on the throttle body controller pins. Our current plan is to clean up the corrosion (thanks for the sanding tip), put it back together, and drive until it fails again (confirming it was not the corrosion). It can take three months to fail sometimes. Very unpredictable.
Interesting it is indeed isn't it & after what, three TV's later? :rolleyes:
Not a very thorough diagnostic path huh?

I am an engineer (retired), so my mind works in trying to understand the failure mode. The corrosion could definitely cause erratic behavior like this. Especially if it has been reflashed with code that is tighter on the edges of the control mappings. Hmm.
I would say corrosion could cause problems stock too, but hey I'd say if missing stack information for sure this would compound the lack of diagnostic data, wouldn't you & as an engineer, considering tests are ready for AECD components that haven't even could of run yet, but, yet again based on information you presented now right, is inconsistent with what you provided before no?

I also note that the ECU label on the outside has a date code of 07-02-12. This basically proves the ECU has been replaced - assuming this is a date code. The date codes on the car and the actual ROM chip in the ECU do make sense though.
Ever hear of European date codes & wouldn't that imply the year 2007 for production and either the month or day more likely being Dec. or Feb. ?


The ECU part number is ... HG, which is correct for this year. The ... HG version is a supercession of the ... EX version though. This would also possibly indicate an early production vehicle.
Isn't the HG the original part number as indicted in the COC application and was dropped and than becomes the EX according to the microfiche?

Going back to your theory of liability. Interesting. Are you suggesting that the build date for the car is early enough to be a pre-production version that may have been sold to the public unscrupulously?
Hey hey hey, where would you get such an idea, did you read the Conformity certificate application and test group number to surmise that or was it that news article? :rolleyes:


BTW, we ran a full scan again on the car after clearing the codes and got a different readiness code just 30 seconds after starting the engine. Note sure if the previous one was because I had been idling the engine for a bit (much more than 30 seconds) while I was hooking up VCDS. At any rate, here it is for your interest:
Hey man, you are the engineer, further stated you cleared codes as aforementioned and displayed a CAT being ready after 30 seconds of engine idling operation, so how is that?


Maybe your car is not modified and maybe you don't know how to clear codes correctly with VCDS initially or maybe you made a mistake huh, but this part number thing seems mighty interesting huh?

Don't you think if it was my car, I'd probably fuse the OXS oxygen sensor heaters back to ECU for ground completion and with a low amperage fuse after measuring the draw needed to protect the controllers abilities & do the same for every consumer that was suspect, however, based on known defects in the industry with ME7 cars and how the TV drivers get FUBAR from either water ingress or a consumer bus taking down the TV & since also a load device isolated and controlled by the ECU wouldn't you do this just to know?

Holy run on sentence questions huh.........? :p

Shouldn't your sons car of been this?

 
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OK my friend. You have convinced me through my questions and your leading answers that this car is clearly a pre-production mule from Audi that was sold inappropriately in the US.

1- The production date pre-dates Audi's certification for the vehicle.
2- The ECU calibration version is prior to the version Audi certified for sale in the US.
3- The ECU part number identifies this ECU as early. It is not the version later released and used in this vehicle.
4- The OBD readiness code is set for several functions immediately upon startup after clearing the code. Some of these functions are impossible to be set this way. Obviously they have been "hard-wired" to ignore normal setting procedures.

It is likely that the ECU is buggy relative to the TV issues we are experiencing. We all know there are issues with the TV - this has been documented for years in the forums. Audi even released a TSB regarding the wiring and connector to the TV being out of spec due to wiring resistance issues from materials originally used from various sources. You are suggesting of trying to isolate the ECU bug my disabling/bypassing all inputs to the ECU is an interesting exercise. Have you actually done this to prove the ECU is buggy? Or are you just trying to persuade me to do it? Can't tell your intent from your writing.

The class action lawsuit recently filed against VAG regarding this EXACT issue (pre-production fraud) unfortunately doesn't go back before 2011 for some reason. So it appears this car is not covered. You seem to be versed in this, do you know why? While it is obvious, I am not willing to invest a few million dollars to force this issue the VAG. I will be contacting the law firm that filed the lawsuit this week to a) let them know I have a car that is pre-production and actually falsifies ECU tests and b) ask why they didn't go back to 2006 where it is known that VAG started this behaviour. Has there been a remedy from VAG for early vehicles in this class? The news articles suggest that maybe there was a limited recall on such vehicles.

I am also tempted to confront AoA with my facts and findings and see if they will respond with a solution. The fact that my car actively falsifies emissions tests might get their attention in light of all the other things that have happened to them of late. Of course they could just ignore me too.

Interesting thread. Thanks for the fun.
 
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I ask lots of good questions huh?



OK my friend. You have convinced me through my questions and your leading answers that this car is clearly a pre-production mule from Audi that was sold inappropriately in the US.

1- The production date pre-dates Audi's certification for the vehicle.
2- The ECU calibration version is prior to the version Audi certified for sale in the US.
3- The ECU part number identifies this ECU as early. It is not the version later released and used in this vehicle.
4- The OBD readiness code is set for several functions immediately upon startup after clearing the code. Some of these functions are impossible to be set this way. Obviously they have been "hard-wired" to ignore normal setting procedures.
Genius, absolutely genius? ....... :p




It is likely that the ECU is buggy relative to the TV issues we are experiencing. We all know there are issues with the TV - this has been documented for years in the forums. Audi even released a TSB regarding the wiring and connector to the TV being out of spec due to wiring resistance issues from materials originally used from various sources. You are suggesting of trying to isolate the ECU bug my disabling/bypassing all inputs to the ECU is an interesting exercise. Have you actually done this to prove the ECU is buggy? Or are you just trying to persuade me to do it? Can't tell your intent from your writing.
You are the retried Engineer right, now use the what was that quote, oh yeah, was it?," Good Engineering Judgement "? :rolleyes:
I know I can be an asshole most times, but could you only begin to imagine what bodies I know or where they are buried and all the "Above Majestic" things that come with such security clearance level?




The class action lawsuit recently filed against VAG regarding this EXACT issue (pre-production fraud) unfortunately doesn't go back before 2011 for some reason. So it appears this car is not covered. You seem to be versed in this, do you know why? While it is obvious, I am not willing to invest a few million dollars to force this issue the VAG. I will be contacting the law firm that filed the lawsuit this week to a) let them know I have a car that is pre-production and actually falsifies ECUtests and b) ask why they didn't go back to 2006 where it is known that VAG started this behaviour. Has there been a remedy from VAG for early vehicles in this class? The news articles suggest that maybe there was a limited recall on such vehicles.
What was that thing called again, oh yeah was it Stature of limitations?


I am also tempted to confront AoA with my facts and findings and see if they will respond with a solution. The fact that my car actively falsifies emissions tests might get their attention in light of all the other things that have happened to them of late. Of course they could just ignore me too.

Interesting thread. Thanks for the fun.

Tempted? :p
Is that the determination you solely made and did you verify it or capitulate your mistake for clearing codes if you made one, in regards to your aforementioned alleged purported falsifications?

Wouldn't it be kind of hard to ignore you, especially when a mere search of photos on the internet could be crosschecked for the alleged pervasive pattern if you chose to do it, no?
Fun indeed no, please let us know, okay? :rolleyes:
 
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