2020 US Presidential Election

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Any of you know anything about the 2020 democrats outside of: Biden, Sanders, and Warren?

I have serious doubts about Trump winning again given the nature of how the media has portrayed him over his presidency and pre-presidency. Democrat voters won't be complacent again. Good chance whoever wins the democratic nomination is the next president. I think Biden is viewed a lot as used goods at this point and doubt the dems are ready to full on support a socialist in Sanders.
 
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I have serious doubts about Trump winning again given the nature of how the media has portrayed him over his presidency and pre-presidency. Democrat voters won't be complacent again.
I think you're right, hard-core Democrats won't be complacent again. But I think the extreme left positions that all the Democrat candidates are taking (stuff like, "Yes, let's extend free health care to all illegal aliens") are not palatable to many of the independent voters in the center, and in the end, those are the people who decide the outcome.

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So far, the only one that is gaining traction is E. Warren?

She is saying what many want to hear & she is not a dummy, it will be a toss up between Trump and Warren, the president effectively put her in spotlight too & by assigning name calling etc. & by giving her the free advertising as if several episodes of Shark Tank , notice how he has been quiet on her now, in comparison?

Big Businesses want that cheap labor too, as do Americans want that slice of the proverbial cake, you know, the one that seems to only be served to the rich, most likely will be a bigger split in the Country & to divide the US so media can sell on each side of advertising spectrum & that much more, no?

FACT or Question:
The News is now the new 24 HR, live streaming reality TV or Web cast , more people watch that & than any other programming, and is the most pirated, isn't it?


I think you're right, hard-core Democrats won't be complacent again. But I think the extreme left positions that all the Democrat candidates are taking (stuff like, "Yes, let's extend free health care to all illegal aliens") are not palatable to many of the independent voters in the center, and in the end, those are the people who decide the outcome.

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Might be more than we thought in the Independent pool that want Universal Healthcare not really free and illegals already get Free Healthcare as it stands now, no?
 
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Just looking over the quick overview here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/2020-presidential-candidates.html

Based off the limited information provided, not the full picture so my views are subject to change.

Like (relatively speaking):
Bennet - Relatively moderate and wants to modernize the economy and focus on developing better technologies? I could live with that!
Gabbard - Stresses isolation from overseas affairs? That's a good stance in my eyes. There's also quite a bit of evidence the Syrian Rebels were the ones who actually used chemical weapons, not the government.
Ryan - Supposedly is in favor of taking a harder stance on trade deals, maybe not to the degree of Trump, but that's a good focus to have.

Dislike:
Biden - Props up low skill work for more pay? No thanks.
Bullock - Anti-Gun, Trying to force pre-kindergarten education, and "income inequality" AKA higher taxes.
Castro - See Bullock, add "Medicare for all". I'm already paying way more of my paycheck to the elderly than I care to be.
Delaney - "Universal Health Care"... Next.
Hickenlooper - Expand medicaid, and gun control. No.
Inslee - The Champion of Climate Change mentality is a no go for me. I'm in favor of funding new more efficient sources of energy (see ITER/fusion post in Neat Science threads), but the way the government forces/regulates it is too imposing.
Sanders - LOL
Sestak - See Inslee
Swalwell - Witch Hunt on Trump and vehemently Anti-Gun
Warren - Ok Pocahontas
Williamson - "$100 Billion in slavery reparations" Get. The. Fuck. Out.
Yang - $1000 in universal basic income for all American adults. This is $3 Trillion more in taxes every year. Current Federal Budget is $4 Trillion. Yeah no thanks.

Indifferent:
de Blasio
Gillibrand
Harris
Klobucher
Messam
O'Rourke


Interesting Dynamic:

37 year old Mayor of South Bend Indiana
Pete Buttigieg - Could be a wild card depending on how much Millenials prioritize rallying behind one of their own in the primaries.

My personal early favorite is the Colorado Senator, Michael Bennet.
 
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Pardon my dissent in saying the farther left they go, the more Trump’s chances increase.
That's pretty much what I was trying to say in post #2, so I don't consider it dissent. :)

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I think similarly, I am not necessarily pro-trump, but I am against both extremes (more against left, but extreme right can be too extreme too), I probably fall along moderately moderate conservative, but definitely not moderate moderate side of things. Some where about 10-20% right of center.

Well, in fact, I am consider myself neither left or right.

I consider myself issue based, but the whole political structure is just wack in that regards.

I think that as long as the dem's don't choose someone as decisive as hilary, they have a good chance of beating trump.

The problem is, as Mike so thoughtfully laid out, is that the democrats line up, still effectively sucks.

I'll probably vote for myself.
 
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I think similarly, I am not necessarily pro-trump, but I am against both extremes (more against left, but extreme right can be too extreme too), I probably fall along moderately moderate conservative, but definitely not moderate moderate side of things. Some where about 10-20% right of center.

Well, in fact, I am consider myself neither left or right.

I consider myself issue based, but the whole political structure is just wack in that regards.

I think that as long as the dem's don't choose someone as decisive as hilary, they have a good chance of beating trump.

The problem is, as Mike so thoughtfully laid out, is that the democrats line up, still effectively sucks.

I'll probably vote for myself.
Truth is, I was a Bernie guy before I was a Trump guy. Had the Dems not screwed him, we’d be talking about President Sanders.
 
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Truth is, I was a Bernie guy before I was a Trump guy. Had the Dems not screwed him, we’d be talking about President Sanders.
So you're telling us you were young, but have come to your senses since then? ;)

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hmm........ very interesting antics in the debate last week (sorry, but I'm not sure that I would buy a used car from any of the folk on the podium!). I know that Americans like options - but 20 candidates? The sharks (who would be king) must sense blood in the political waters!!

Don

PS: has anyone asked Putin -which candidate he prefers in 2020? - sorry, but I couldn't resist :D
 
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I'm not sure that I would buy a used car from any of the folk on the podium!
You won't need to. Any of them will promise you a car for free. I mean having a car is a basic human right, isn't it? ;)

I know that Americans like options - but 20 candidates?
That field will narrow substantially over the next 6-9 months. A year from now, there will be only one left.

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^^^^^^ Yes - I fully expect that that come the day of erection (mis-spelling intended)- there will be 19 x severed heads and a single victor wielding her sword!!

Don

 
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Don, you do understand that all 20 of these folks are vying for the Democratic Party's nomination, i.e. for the chance to face Trump in the fall of 2020, right?

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^^^yep: my analogy (clearly lacking relevance given your question) was intended for the penultimate skirmish between democrat nominees- I'm fully aware that then comes the real battle of good against evil - and being a foreigner, I won't presume to align the party reps with the 2 x categories.

You guys have a fascinating system for the erection of President (and I use the word "erection" deliberately because it seems that once given the keys to the house-on-the-hill, it's extremely difficult to terminate the 4 year rental agreement of POTUS).


I don't claim to fully understand your regime, but he ("she" some time in the future - I'm sure) appears to be more like some kind-of short-term democratically elected "king" by another name more fitting to an independent country!!

I'm not suggesting that the election process for head-of-state in the Westminster system is any better - just different, I guess. Nevertheless - it's interesting to compare the two - and even more instructive to recognize the same "antics" in both!!

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I don't claim to fully understand your regime, but he ("she" some time in the future - I'm sure) appears to be more like some kind-of short-term democratically elected "king" by another name more fitting to an independent country!!
Hardly. If the POTUS had king-like powers, we'd have had fully socialized medicine under Obama, and there would be a big, beautiful wall at the southern border now under Trump. :)

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Hardly. If the POTUS had king-like powers, we'd have had fully socialized medicine under Obama, and there would be a big, beautiful wall at the southern border now under Trump. :)

-Uwe-
Uwe- Arrhh.... very true, indeed - albeit I happen to believe in the duty of Governments to provide medical services for those of its citizens that cannot pay (some call it leftism, utopian socialism or welfarism - I call it just plain humanity).

But equally, if POTUS was of non-regal like status - he could be prosecuted in the normal legal system for breaching the law of the land (just like every other US citizen) and he could not pardon those who have been found guilty of such breaches (i.e. outside the legal appeal process).

I'm reminded of that most eloquent piece of prose in your Declaration of Independence - clearly Mr Jefferson did not intend POTUS to be captured by his words!! But these are not criticisms of your system of government - just observations!!

Don
 
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Uwe- Arrhh.... very true, indeed - albeit I happen to believe in the duty of Governments to provide medical services for those of its citizens that cannot pay
Although I do not agree with this (because government cannot provide anything to Paul without stealing it from Peter first), I'll point out that the current crop of Democratic candidates takes it several steps beyond providing medical services to citizens. During the second debate, all ten candidates indicated (by a show of hands) that their government plan would provide health care coverage to undocumented immigrants (i.e. non-citizens who have entered the country illegally). So basically, they are offering health care at the expense of US tax payers to any of the planet's 7.7 billion inhabitants who can manage to sneak into the US by some means. I'm sorry, but IMO that's being a bit too generous with the wealth of our nation.

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