- Apr 24, 2019
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^^^ hmm......... As a prelude to my confusion, I'll freely admit that I may not be the brightest penny in the purse and I'm particularly obtuse when it comes to understanding America's legal instruments for vehicle compliance (your DoT rules for car lighting is absolutely unfathomable IMHO).
So, in view of the preceeding posts - can someone explain to me how the legal (or for that matter, the ethical) prohibition for disabling Start/stop sits with VAG's inclusion of the little button in their cars that does just that (i.e. disables SS)?
If a driver of a car with SS presses the button every-time that the ignition is cycled -does she commit a misdemeanor in America?
And, if the prohibition is for another definition of "permanent" disablement - are the suite of after-market physical devices (like my design) still legal -because they allow SS to be engaged if the driver is so disposed?
And for those drivers that have an ethical problem with SS disablement and who are flooded with Catholic guilt at the mere thought of a finger approaching the native SS button - why do they buy a car that has such a facility?
Hmm, based on my understanding of the English language, if it isn't illegal do something, then it's legal to do that thing.
I think the idea is that there may be acceptable reasons to turn off s/s temporarily.So, in view of the preceeding posts - can someone explain to me how the legal (or for that matter, the ethical) prohibition for disabling Start/stop sits with VAG's inclusion of the little button in their cars that does just that (i.e. disables SS)?
I seriously doubt it.If a driver of a car with SS presses the button every-time that the ignition is cycled -does she commit a misdemeanor in America?
Unclear. The EPA may take a different view of something that has it off by default rather than the factory's on by default. But the bureaucratic hive-mind is beyond my comprehension, so I'm only guessing.And, if the prohibition is for another definition of "permanent" disablement - are the suite of after-market physical devices (like my design) still legal -because they allow SS to be engaged if the driver is so disposed?
I have yet to encounter a person that has ethical problem with temporary disablement via the button.And for those drivers that have an ethical problem with SS disablement and who are flooded with Catholic guilt at the mere thought of a finger approaching the native SS button - why do they buy a car that has such a facility (i.e. they thereby support a manufacturer that dabbles in heinous practices)?
I think the idea is that there may be acceptable reasons to turn off s/s temporarily.
I seriously doubt it.
Unclear. The EPA may take a different view of something that has it off by default rather than the factory's on by default. But the bureaucratic hive-mind is beyond my comprehension, so I'm only guessing.
I have yet to encounter a person that has ethical problem with temporary disablement via the button.
except for perhaps jack
I really don't care what someone does to their own property or on their own property & their privacy is to be respected, with inverse expectation & as long as it doesn't encroach on me or cause possible liability for me or someone I care for or the helpless & including my safe reasonably expected clean environment.
It's when that boundary is breached, pretty much for everything & as a rule for me, countermeasures or possible defense is to be taken.
I'd be quite surprised if there's a specific start/stop law.
However, if the manufacturer (VW) used the fact that it has a start/stop system as part of the emissions certification process, then permanently disabling that system would make the car non-compliant with its emissions certification, and doing so would indeed be illegal according to the EPA's statement in the article you previously linked to. I mean an engine that isn't running inherently produces fewer emissions than one that is, right? And the emissions test cycle surely includes some simulated stopped-at-a-red-light time....
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heh, their conclusion seems to just about sum up this thread.
Aside from the annoyances and legal minutia of start/stop behavior modification, I personally think you are acting selfishly and foolishly for disabling your vehicle(s) third brake light, despite any excuses or exclamations of your driving safety.
Third brake lights are not for YOU, they are for everyone behind you.
If I had a junker behind you, I'd be happy to test out your insurance company policies in that regards.
I don’t know if I ever used the words “legal to do so” or the like, but I did say it wasn’t illegal. Call it what you will.
I cannot say for UK, but in US it’s perfectly legal.
Not only did you, on page one:
The forum response to your statement is literally the core topic of the next eight pages of the thread: what's legal vs what's likely to get you in trouble in the real world. At least for regular people who don't go tugging on Superman's cape by incriminating themselves in a letter to the EPA.
Do you have the integrity to acknowledge that much at least?
Cool. Referring to the people of this country, Thomas Jefferson wrote: "It is their right and duty to be at all times armed". Many of us at Ross-Tech take that duty very seriously.I’m armed.
Cool. Referring to the people of this country, Thomas Jefferson wrote: "It is their right and duty to be at all times armed". Many of us at Ross-Tech take that duty very seriously.
But I digress. Please refrain from veiled threats of violence. The only morally acceptable use of violence is in the defense people and property, and none of us here, not even Jack, is going to harm you or steal your stuff.
Originally Posted by kawzx7
We all know the gun grabbing state of New York cuts your balls off, so have that phone ready to call the police for defense!
You don't know Jack.
(b)Override conditions. The system may limit activation of the idle-reduction technology while any of the conditions of this paragraph (b) apply. These conditions allow the system to delay engine shutdown, adjust engine restarting, or delay disengaging transmissions, 'but do not allow for resetting timers'. Engines may restart and transmissions may re-engage during override conditions if the vehicle is set up to do this automatically. We may approve additional override criteria as needed to protect the engine and vehicle from damage and to ensure safe vehicleoperation.