Urgent help needed please! (8K Audi Immo)

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Hi,
I've recently purchased Ross-tech Hex-V2, still learning how it all works.

I have a 2012 Audi A4 Allroad that I collected today, I have 2 original keys with the car, however the keys will not turn on the ignition or lock/unlock the car. The car is currently sat on a rental car transporter trailer and I cannot release the parking brake or unlock the steering lock to get the car off the trailer!! (The rental company wants the trailer back asap!

I have checked the wiki help, and have tried to release the parking brake by using the 'Lining change mode'. however this produces an error message and does not work.
I have also tried to look at what keys are registered with the car, but I get an odd number (32865) where I think it should just say '2' (see photo)

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Maybe i'm looking in the wrong place, if anyone could give me any advice how to check for the keys in the system, or even how to recode these keys back in to the system that would be much appreciated. The 2 keys I have are the original keys for the car, i've no idea why they no longer work?

Failing that, If anyone knows how to release the parking brake without the ignition on, or release the steering lock!

This car has the key that pushes in to the dashboard btw, not the flip key. And the chassis is an 8K

Many thanks
 
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Pressing SET on the dash a few times or so will show Lx/x on the dashboard. Please post what you have instead of the x.

Please post a full Auto-Scan of the Allroad. Also please post the Advanced ID from 05-Acc/Start Authorisation.
 
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Pressing SET on the dash a few times or so will show Lx/x on the dashboard. Please post what you have instead of the x.

Please post a full Auto-Scan of the Allroad. Also please post the Advanced ID from 05-Acc/Start Authorisation.

Hi, Here is the full autoscan and advance ID. I have tried pressing set a few times and it just shows the mileage and clock, nothing else happens.

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Friday,31,May,2019,07:42:25:41168
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4437.4
Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


Mileage: 61590km-38270mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: 8R0
Scan: 01 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 44 46 47 52 53 56 5F 62 72

   Mileage: 61590km-38270miles

01-Engine -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: Malfunction 0010
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Address 01: Engine
Cannot be reached

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8K9 907 379 L    HW: 8K9 907 379 L
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H09 0100  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011544
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4BC3644423CF1D5F3BF-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 GC    HW: 8K0 907 064 FC
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H11 0621  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 03B24000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 77ABE8B40FC749BFAF7-8022

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 754 H    HW: 8K0 959 754 H
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H71 0083 
   Serial number: 0512000051877021    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E    HW: 8K0 905 852 E
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 
   Serial number: 2312000170630016    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8K2 820 043 T    HW: 8K2 820 043 T
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0121  
   Revision: D1000000    Serial number: 01050820121142
   Coding: 642402C000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3A2D31807C5594D7909-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DD    HW: 8K0 907 063 DD
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H16 0103  
   Revision: 04016001    Serial number: 00000459292402
   Coding: 290000308034A7C00081000300001F1F001D070827080201000008000000030000000024000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 74B1DFB81EB122A78A5-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K2 955 119 A    HW: 8T2 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS 300712  H06 0080 
   Serial number: SWF12070305276      
   Coding: 00FD11

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0002 
   Serial number: 20482151            
   Coding: 02005D

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
   Serial number: 00000000002407124589

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags
Cannot be reached

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 953 568 S    HW: 8R0 953 568 S
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H07 0171  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 20130726000443
   Coding: 000017
   Shop #: WSC 54929 000 1048576
   VCID: 51FF762CC1E3378F413-8004

   Component: E221 - MFL  H03 0003 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 982 C    HW: 8K0 920 982 C
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H35 0553  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: RBH7AFK7D     
   Coding: 3384290202012600010000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 34311FB85E3162A74A5-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 H    HW: 8R0 907 468 C
   Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H11 0051  
   Revision: 1Y050025    Serial number: 2541Y127270196
   Coding: 80CF07FF00
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 44D14F780E91D227FA5-8010

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181     HW: 8T0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8041 
   Serial number: 8472447901          

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663 B    HW: 8K0 959 663 B
   Component: J532_DCDCStab  H05 0006 
   Serial number: 12194002420011200410

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver
Cannot be reached

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 8K0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 F    HW: 8K0 909 144 B
   Component: RCEPS         H37 0507  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 0022742561
   Coding: 100000000001
   Shop #: WSC 00860 210 94821
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008014
   ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X_008.rod
   VCID: 34311FB85EB162A74A5-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 GC    HW: 8K0 907 064 FC
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H11 0621  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0181213698    
   Coding: 013B062220BA00408030023680000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 77ABE8B40FC749BFAF7-8022

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 951 177 
   Component: DWA-Sensor  H02 0040 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

1 Fault Found:
01403 - Glass-Break Sensors; Rear 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 207
                    Mileage: 61598 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.05.30
                    Time: 19:48:57


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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 223 A    HW: 8T1 035 223 A
   Component: DSP Prem      H05 0030  
   Revision: 00005001    Serial number: 94813005169002
   VCID: 2D070ADCBD1B336F05B-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.
Cannot be reached

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 L    HW: 8K0 907 801 J
   Component: EPB-4         H01 0003  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 10000000082855
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001027
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_AU48.rod
   VCID: 38292B8842D986C766D-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 061 D    HW: 4G0 035 061 
   Component: Radio U DAB   H60 0100  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 470G/0C7533755
   Coding: 010103010000000001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 1E65DD10C0BDD8F78C1-804A

1 Fault Found:
02983 - Connection between Impedance Converter 1 and Window Antenna 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 207
                    Mileage: 61593 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.04.10
                    Time: 10:47:56

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 14.80 V


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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8R2 035 652 A    HW: 8R2 035 652 
   Component: B-BN-EU       H62 0175  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 147GW0C7515061
   Coding: 01010101000681ED01800B4E000000030000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 323D19A0A4256C97589-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 604     HW: 8T0 919 604 
   Component: DU6 Basic  H42 0098 
   Serial number: 9465H00C2563098     

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 611     HW: 8T0 919 611 
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H01 0100 
   Serial number: 00000001232687      

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left
Cannot be reached

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right
Cannot be reached

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:14, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.3V. VIgn 0.0V)------
 
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01-Engine -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: Malfunction 0010

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:14, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.3V. VIgn 0.0V)------

Ah, you have to do the Auto-Scan with the ignition switched on - but you can't, because of the key not being recognised...

On that screenshot you posted for the Advanced ID of 05; see the button labelled [Advanced ID - 1A] - please click that and then post the results here as text.
 
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This is what Advanced ID says:

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Friday,31,May,2019,10:22:19:41168
VCDS Version: Release 18.9.1 (x64)
                Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.
Control Module Part Number: 8K0 907 064 GC
  Component and/or Version: BCM2 2.0      H11 0621
           Software Coding: 03B24000000000000000
            Work Shop Code: WSC 06335
                      VCID: 77ABE8B40FC749BFAF7-8022

Advanced Identification
     Identification: HLH-W41
     Revision: 00002001
     Date: 30.07.12
     Manufacturer number: 1002
     Test stand number: 0089
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(data): 0
     Successful Attempts(data): 0
     Flash Tool Code(data): 00000 000 00000
Software
     Theft prot.: 02.02.00
     KWP2000: 02.30.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 8K0 907 064 FC
     Workshop System Name: J393
     Equipment/PR Code: 0000000000000000
     Dataset Number: -----------
     Dataset Version: ----
     End of Line Equipment Level: --------------------
Car Info
     Chassis Number: WAUZZZ8K0DA117808
Immobilizer
     Transponder ID (Current val.): E1A99399
     Transponder ID 1: BEECEEAB
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 77ABE8B40FC749BFAF7-8022
       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
 
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Transponder ID (Current val.): E1A99399
Transponder ID 1: BEECEEAB

Thank you. This shows the system is reading one of your existing keys, so they need to be programmed I'm afraid. They are write-once to an immobiliser system; so it's Dealer or someone with online ODIS who will be able to program. VCDS can't.

This also explains why you couldn't see the L2 x/x on the display.

Lastly, please register your HEX-V2 so you may enjoy Verified VCDS User status. :)
 
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OP joined the forum in July 2019 and registered his HEX-V2 in March 2019. Unfortunately we have no way of automatically catching that, but I just took care of it manually. He's now Verified, and this is moving to Car Repair Support.

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Thank you. This shows the system is reading one of your existing keys, so they need to be programmed I'm afraid. They are write-once to an immobiliser system; so it's Dealer or someone with online ODIS who will be able to program. VCDS can't.

This also explains why you couldn't see the L2 x/x on the display.

Lastly, please register your HEX-V2 so you may enjoy Verified VCDS User status. :)

Thanks so much for your help. SO is that the transponder ID 1, showing it has a key? And is it only showing 1 key? So I know for future reference!

I just took the car to Audi on the trailer, but they won't programme the key until I have a log book in my name, which could take a month from DVLA. Managed to get it off the trailer though by borrowing a friends garage 4 post lift, it just fitted on there with 1cm to spare each side! Very lucky. Putting it back on the trailer to take it to Audi is going to be just as much fun!

@UWE, thank you for verifying my VCDS :)

Stu.
 
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SO is that the transponder ID 1, showing it has a key? And is it only showing 1 key?

Yes (transponder ID 1), and only one key, yes. I have an 8K too; and in AdvID I have three Transponder IDs, which corresponds to having two main keys and the flat, plastic emergency key. Indeed when I switch the ignition or start, the Transponder ID (Current val.): XXXXXXXX matches one of my stored transponder IDs. It also changes to one of the other values when I use another key.

Try your other key, see if the Transponder ID (Current val.): changes. What's your story behind the car? Have you been duped that they were correct keys and it's otherwise a good runner?
 
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Yes (transponder ID 1), and only one key, yes. I have an 8K too; and in AdvID I have three Transponder IDs, which corresponds to having two main keys and the flat, plastic emergency key. Indeed when I switch the ignition or start, the Transponder ID (Current val.): XXXXXXXX matches one of my stored transponder IDs. It also changes to one of the other values when I use another key.

Try your other key, see if the Transponder ID (Current val.): changes. What's your story behind the car? Have you been duped that they were correct keys and it's otherwise a good runner?

I've clearly got a lot to learn about the VCDS!
The car was stolen recovered, purchased from an insurance company, the keys were provided but I was aware the car wouldn't start, I didn't realise the keys were not programmed to the car hense why I got caught out!

So I have two keys, does that mean there is likely a third key somewhere that did work on the car?
 
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So I have two keys, does that mean there is likely a third key somewhere that did work on the car?

Well, just my own opinion of what has possibly happened, is when it was stolen, the thieves didn’t get one of the original keys; they cracked the BCM2 and added their own. It’s quite common, I’m afraid. (WatchDog did a feature on it a few years ago). The process of adding a key, deletes all others.

The insurance company usually insists on all keys being handed back before they’ll pay out. So those keys you have may indeed be the originals for the car; but no longer programmed as I’ve described. They may be able to be programmed back, saving a few £s, but still a main dealer job. :(
 
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Could you imagine if others here or I was turned to the dark side?

Literally could be gone in less than 30 seconds........maybe less!

:rolleyes:

Sometimes the high road is a boring fork in the road!
 
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Well, just my own opinion of what has possibly happened, is when it was stolen, the thieves didn’t get one of the original keys; they cracked the BCM2 and added their own. It’s quite common, I’m afraid. (WatchDog did a feature on it a few years ago). The process of adding a key, deletes all others.

The insurance company usually insists on all keys being handed back before they’ll pay out. So those keys you have may indeed be the originals for the car; but no longer programmed as I’ve described. They may be able to be programmed back, saving a few £s, but still a main dealer job. :(

Is that when they have equipment that listens for the key code to duplicate it? I have heard about that. So they must have to use VCDS to add their own key to the car then?

I've applied for the new log book, so hopefully will be here soon, and then Audi will program both keys for £90, which isn't too bad I guess.
 
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So they must have to use VCDS to add their own key to the car then?
Nope, it would have been some other tool. VCDS cannot add a key to a B8.

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