Audi A6 4G - CAN gateway swap

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Finally I got speaking to the local Audi tech today and the vibe is a fair degree of reluctance on doing the swap as (a) they have never done it before and (b) ODIS is seemingly is quite restricted in what it allows to be attempted - which seems to be along the basis of replacing bad/faulty module X with shiny new module X and expectation that new hardware level is the same or higher. The guy I spoke to was helpful enough, but cautious to explain there is a chance that if ODIS detects some kind of conflict that it will fail the process of CP removal, possibly bricking the new gateway along the way.

He also said that if successful, the process will set about coding every other module on the car to whatever config it left the factory with. The latter is a mere annoyance of saving all my current codings and applying them after the gateway swap, but the main risk seems to be that ODIS might complain about the different gateway HW variant - even though its a superset of what the car was built with, but the guy was very cautious as this is such an unusual request.

As such, its pretty much suck it and see and I will need to gamble on an hour's labour to find out if "computer says no" (or yes). All subject to confirmation from the service manager etc


Q. What are these "FeCs" being referenced in this thread and do I need to care about them ?
 
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As such, its pretty much suck it and see and I will need to gamble on an hour's labour to find out if "computer says no" (or yes).
"Open the pod bay doors, HAL!" ;)

Q. What are these "FeCs" being referenced in this thread and do I need to care about them ?
Feature enablement Codes. They are cryptographically secure codes that turn on certain features that already exist in cars' hardware and software, but that the manufacturer charges extra for. I'm not whether this is applicable to anything in your car. If it is, I think the dealer should be able to transfer those features to the new gateway once it is programmed.

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As a quick update and happy ending to this thread - the local dealership (Belfast Audi) was able to remove component protection on this 'new' gateway without any drama - the tech had never done it before, but ODIS guided him through it and it was all happy. The process supposedly restored factory coding to all other modules in the car, but J519 happily accepted my coding for the bixenon lamps etc.

The only step I had to do afterwards on VCDS was to make a few corrections on the installation list - it was referencing memory seats and a few other things not on this vehicle.

FYI - The dealership charged me for one hour diagnostic time on this task so I was pretty happy with that.
 
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After activating the headlamp levelling system (#55) I did an auto-scan on the car and see a few gremlins relating to #17, #19 and #5F as if there is bad coding on the new CAN gateway. The new J533 is setup with same code bytes as the original (non extended CAN version) and I wonder if those bytes have a different meaning on this version of the controller.

The car was 100% fault free before the new J533 was swapped in so I am fully confident that the old code bytes are causing the new controller to do something odd. I looked at the coding helper on VCDS 19.6 but its all in German so I will have to start translating it, but more importantly it refers to various terms in abstract terms like 'variant 1' / 'variant 2' etc so thats not really helpful as I need specific references to code it correctly.

All other codes across the car are exactly the same. The only changes are this new CAN gateway and the new AHLS controller (#55).

Code:
Friday,28,June,2019,13:33:13:30756
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86(Parallels)
VCDS Version 19.6.0.4  HEX-NET CB: 0.4505.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUZZZ4G9DN002xxx   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 4G-AU57 (4G0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 28 34 3B 42 44 46 47 52 53
          55 5F 62 72

VIN: WAUZZZ4G9DN002xxx   Mileage: 152957km-95043miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0110
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
28-HVAC, Rear -- Status: OK 0000
34-Level Control -- Status: OK 0000
3B-Sensor Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CLAA)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 907 311 E    HW: 4G0 907 401 
   Component: 3.0TDI EDC17  H37 0001  
   Revision: 53H37---    
   Coding: 32254012052F09020000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0114G0907311E 001001
   ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0114G0907311E.rod
   VCID: 2502F53824992267C4-8071

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B5-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 927 156 S    HW: 0B5 927 156 F
   Component: 0B5 30 TDIRdW H10 0004  
   Revision: --H10---    Serial number: 0000000481
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501 A02196
   ROD: EV_TCMDL501.rod
   VCID: 3C34305CB71383AF8B-8069

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 4G0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 907 379 H    HW: 4G0 907 379 H
   Component: ESP PREMIUM   H09 0361  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 27A6C705E465E3A0CB00
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ESPPremiAU57X 004028
   ROD: EV_ESPPremiAU57X_004_AU57.rod
   VCID: 36202274893F59FF7D-8063

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 FG    HW: 4H0 907 064 BG
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H31 0560  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 01B93006000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 53484 001 1048576
   VCID: 73A6DB60D2CD0CD79A-8027

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4H0 905 852 C    HW: 4H0 905 852 C
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 
   Serial number: 2312000068673013    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 4G0-820-043-4Z.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 820 043 K    HW: 4G0 820 043 K
   Component: KLIMA 4 ZONEN H12 0064  
   Serial number: 17041200040582
   Coding: 3622007820
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiComfoUDS 002036
   ROD: EV_AirCondiComfoUDS_002.rod
   VCID: 271EFF305E953077F6-8073

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 4H0-907-063-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 063 BP    HW: 4H0 907 063 
   Component: BCM1 2.0      H12 0111  
   Revision: 11012002    Serial number: 00000001287572
   Coding: 260020118034A7E00905008300001D0CCF9DC70827080101000008402100
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 77BEEF70C6B560F7A6-8023

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4G2 955 119     HW: 4G8 955 119 A  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS57X 120309  H35 0080 
   Serial number:         120317110929
   Coding: 0045F7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003 
   Serial number: 20139503            
   Coding: 02512B

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4G0 941 531     HW: 4G0 941 531 
   Component: E1 - LDS  H07 0044 
   Serial number: 04 04 2012  00000812

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
   Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0003 
   Serial number: E9A80326000000000001

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 4H0-919-475-7X2.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 919 475 Q    HW: 4H0 919 475 C
   Component: PARKHILFE ACC H07 0060  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 55901208901402
   Coding: 08030C
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU57X0000 004005
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU57X0000_004.rod
   VCID: 40CC44ACDBFBE74FD7-8015

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 4H0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 655 C    HW: 4H0 959 655 C
   Component: Airbag10.43   H43 0040  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003JG0084EL%
   Coding: 30323436313330303537554A305234473053
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10BPAAU64X 001014
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10BPAAU64X_VW51.rod
   VCID: 36202274893F59FF7D-8063

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3575HRB405V1BEPSCHPX

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3585HRB404V1BBH2C88D

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515JRB400E4UHGCIHF3

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525JRB401E4UHGC9P0W

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3554VRB405D18E5G118X

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3564VRB400M4UHPKL0FU

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 4H0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 953 568 A    HW: 4G0 953 568 A
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H05 0201  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 20120417000975
   Coding: 000035
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 302C146C635B77CF27-8065

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4G0 951 528 A    HW: 4G0 951 528 A
   Component: E221 - MFL  H08 0009 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 4H0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 4G9 920 980 B    HW: 4G9 920 980 B
   Component: TDieGb    Nv  H78 0416  
   Revision: 28131177    Serial number: 658190312596036
   Coding: 33A7230813012600010600
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RBD4K 004045
   ROD: EV_RBD4K_AU57.rod
   VCID: 32281E64655745DF51-8067

1 Fault Found:
13636608 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
          U1014 00 [009] - -
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 112
                    Mileage: 152957 km
                    Date: 2019.06.28
                    Time: 10:02:34


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 4G0 907 468 E    HW: 4G0 907 468 A
   Component: J533--Gateway H08 0213  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000000198522
   Coding: 00CD077D00
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewUDS 001025
   ROD: EV_GatewUDS_AU57.rod
   VCID: 32281E64655745DF51-8067

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8X0 915 181     HW: 8X0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0141 
   Serial number: 00000000003790922824

   Voltage stabilizer: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663 F    HW: 8K0 959 663 
   Component: J532_DCDCStab  H23 0021 
   Serial number: 09011200000000000165

1 Fault Found:
6151 - Instrument Cluster Control Module on Optical Bus 
          U10C0 00 [009] - No Communication
          [Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 112
                    Mileage: 152957 km
                    Date: 2019.06.28
                    Time: 13:25:49

                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.2 V
                    Voltage terminal 15: 14.2 V
                    Control Module temperature: 28 °C
                    System status: Terminal 15 on
                    IN ESP_standstill flag: standstill detected
                    Engine running: On
                    IN ZAS_Te_X: On
                    Terminal 15 status via CAN: On
                    Terminal 15 status: On
                    Datenfeld: 0


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Address 28: HVAC, Rear (E265)       Labels:* 4G0-919-158.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 919 158 C    HW: 4G0 919 158 C
   Component: KLIMA FOND    H07 0064  
   Serial number: 19041200040530
   Coding: 02
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ClimaContrUnitRearUDS 002018
   ROD: EV_ClimaContrUnitRearUDS_002.rod
   VCID: 2F2E1710766568373E-807B

No fault code found.

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Address 34: Level Control (J197)       Labels:. 4G0-907-553.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 907 553 F    HW: 4G0 907 553 F
   Component: LUFE-DAEMPFER H18 0782  
   Coding: 008000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirSuspe 003024
   ROD: EV_AirSuspe_VW51.rod
   VCID: 2E100A14716F613F35-807B

No fault code found.

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Address 3B: Sensor Elect. (J849)       Labels: 4G0-907-637.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 907 637 K    HW: 4G0 907 637 F
   Component: SARA 6D       H01 0051  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EJ1BPA8200198M
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SARA2 004010
   ROD: EV_SARA2_004.rod
   VCID: 36202274893F59FF7D-8063

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 4H0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 793 G    HW: 4G8 959 793 G
   Component: TSG FA        H03 0505  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011F16004001620002080002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 44C448BCC7E3FB6FF3-8011

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 4G0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 909 144 L    HW: 4G0 909 144 G
   Component: RCEPS         H35 0010  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 0027470277
   Coding: 101000010000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPS 009008
   ROD: EV_RCEPS_009.rod
   VCID: 32281E64655745DF51-8067

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 4H0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 FG    HW: 4H0 907 064 BG
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H31 0560  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0174000735    
   Coding: 013F062220B9040083200904000104000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 53484 001 10485
   VCID: 73A6DB60D2CD0CD79A-8027

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4G0 951 177 
   Component: DWA-Sensor  H01 0010 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 223 C    HW: 4G0 035 223 A
   Component: BOSE-G3-C7    H07 0160  
   Revision: CJ007001    Serial number: 00000000043861
   Coding: 030000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 1D72DDD804C9EAA79C-8049

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 4H0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 792 G    HW: 4G8 959 792 G
   Component: TSG BF        H03 0505  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011F16004401620002080002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 43C64BA0C2EDFC57CA-8017

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 4H0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 801 E    HW: 4H0 907 801 A
   Component: EPB-4         H03 0012  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000000319415
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001022
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_VW51.rod
   VCID: 2A1806044D870D1FE9-807F

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:| 8X0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 357 A    HW: 4H0 907 357 A
   Component: ....LWR12.... H02 0013  
   Serial number: 110620-0004-042
   Coding: 17226F101000A300
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulBasic 005001
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulBasic.rod
   VCID: 2C14001C4773132F1B-8079

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 193 E    HW: 4G0 035 193 D
   Component: RMC Cnct Nav  H52 0775  
   Coding: 0101050001E15B67082B060301020100000000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 2502F5382C992267C4-8071

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8X0 919 884 D
   Component: P13-50-11.06  0002 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4G0 919 603     HW: 4G0 919 603 
   Component: DU6 Basic  H42 0084 
   Serial number: 9464CT0C2521366     

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4G2 919 610 B    HW: 4G2 919 610 B
   Component: E380 BDT C7  H11 0204 
   Serial number: 90349LDC0017V       

1 Fault Found:
03157 - Functionality limited due to Communications Disruption 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 112
                    Mileage: 152957 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.06.28
                    Time: 13:26:37

             Freeze Frame:
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00010000 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 795 G    HW: 4G8 959 795 G
   Component: TSG HL        H03 0505  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010F14004001620002080002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 46C052B4F1DFC97FED-8013

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 795 G    HW: 4G8 959 795 G
   Component: TSG HR        H03 0505  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010F14004001620002080002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 46C052B4F1DFC97FED-8013

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:42, VBatt start/end: 14.6V/14.6V)-----------
 
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I managed to find a reference scan on here from a 2011 A7 3.0 TDi with exact same CAN gateway coding as I have on the C7 Allroad - would there not be a different chassis variant being specified here for these two vehicles - it might also explain why I cannot code my AHLS module as an AU57-allroad ?

Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: None
Part No SW: 4G0 907 468 E HW: 4G0 907 468 A
Component: J533--Gateway H08 0213
Revision: -------- Serial number: 00000000085162
Coding: 00CD077D00
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewUDS 001025
ROD: EV_GatewUDS_AU57.rod
VCID: 326A91BF654EFBD4DE-8066

Battery Monitoring Control Module:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8X0 915 181 HW: 8X0 915 181
Component: J367-BDM H07 0140
Serial number: 00000000005650459546

Voltage stabilizer:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663 HW: 8K0 959 663
Component: J532_DCDCStab H17 0042
Serial number: 11012001158011200181

No fault code found.
 
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As another thought - might there be some adaptations stored in non volatile memory on the 'new' gateway that are hungover from the previous vehicle which are causing these niggles and more importantly is there a way to flush those out ?
 
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I'm not sure. I took a look at my husband's T'reg 19 Adp maps, which is an actual VW 19 module and may be useless for this comparison despite it containing 4H modules elsewhere, and I don't see anything obvious. We can run a full map set on the Ross-Tech '12 (4G) if needed but your maps may shed light.

On another note, we learned that Andy's MQB A3 e-tron lost tweaks such as windows via remote and similar when testing/enabling Transport mode followed by turning it back off. Although it might have been discussed in forum previously - I wasn't aware that would change Adaptation settings elsewhere. I almost wonder if something would refresh to resolve your concern if you were to try that?

Either way, I'm not aware of a case where Transport Mode caused long term issues so I don't see the harm in experimenting with it.
 
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The other thing I need to look at is if the optical connections on the CAN gateway have gotten dirty during the swap. Its maybe not coincidence that the radio/nav unit (#5F) and instrument cluster (#17) have optical connectivity with #19.
 
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Hello,
This is first time for me to post sometning so i am sorry for mistakes.

I have problem with coding for Audi A6 4G, bixenon lights. I would like to activate corner lights if it is possible.
If there is an option please help me.

Thank you in advance.

p.s. Also if i should send some files, please tell me.
 
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Hello,
This is first time for me to post sometning so i am sorry for mistakes.

I have problem with coding for Audi A6 4G, bixenon lights. I would like to activate corner lights if it is possible.
If there is an option please help me.

Thank you in advance.

p.s. Also if i should send some files, please tell me.
Are you swapping a Gateway? If not, I will split this into its own thread from the thread you posted it in.

Please do post an Auto-Scan for context.

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No, i don't change. Thanks for spliting.
 
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