Audi A5 0BK ZF 8HP transmission -- adaptation reset / basic settings

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Hi,

I was looking thru the wiki but couldn't find the procedure, so I figured maybe I can ask here.

What is the proper way to reset the adaptation for this TCU?

I tried "Fast Adaptation" but the text box shows "aborted -- safety reasons" so I stopped. The engine wasn't running, so please let me know if the engine needs to be running as well.

Thanks.

Alex
 
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I’d also be interested to know how to do this. Thanks mark
 
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Moving to Car Repair Support.

What's wrong with the tranny that makes you think it could benefit from this?

Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what TCU this car has.

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Hello. Thank you for taking an interest. I will post a scan log when I get home.

If stationery, in drive and at idle my car sounds as expected. If I shift to either Park, Reverse or Neutral it makes a soft knocking noise. If I increase the rpm it goes away. Also if cold it tends not to be there (again the revs are higher when cold).

I have read that a adaption of the box is required (but have no real idea myself).

Any suggestions welcome. Thank you Mark.
 
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Dual Mass Flywheel - I hadn't considered that - thought that was only on manuals - clearly not. :(
 
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Code:
Monday,08,July,2019,20:47:13:24455
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url]


VIN: WAUZZZ********796   License Plate: ****** 
Mileage: 42490km-26402mi   Repair Order: 08-07-2019


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Chassis Type: 8R-AU48 (8R0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 42 44 46 52 53 56 5F 62 6D
          72 A9 AC C0

VIN: WAUZZZ********796   Mileage: 42490km-26402miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: OK 0000
AC-Reductant Control -- Status: OK 0000
C0-Act. for Ext. Noise -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-DEHA)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K5 907 589 C    HW: 4G0 907 589 B
   Component: 3.0BTD EDC17  H23 0004  
   Revision: 54H23---    
   Coding: 2A2A4032252603030000
   Shop #: WSC 06208 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30BTD0118K5907589C 001006
   ROD: EV_ECM30BTD0118K5907589C.rod
   VCID: 41834E32D0D64D47D6-8014

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0BK-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 927 158 BC    HW: 0BK 927 156 AM
   Component: 0BK 30RTDIRDW H19 1003  
   Revision: --H19---    
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 002022
   ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_002_AU48.rod
   VCID: 7F0708CAE6A2FBB7E0-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8R0-907-379-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 379 BF    HW: 8R0 907 379 BF
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 385DCE01
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 050B9A228C7EA167AA-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 KG    HW: 8K0 907 064 KG
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H15 0711  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 01B54040000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7F0708CAEEA2FBB7E0-802A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 754 BM    HW: 8K0 959 754 BM
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H71 0083 
   Serial number: 0816000029683005    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E    HW: 8K0 905 852 E
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 
   Serial number: 3216000031757016    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8K2 820 043 AQ    HW: 8K2 820 043 AQ
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0122  
   Revision: D1000000    Serial number: 01070320162107
   Coding: 3625028000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 78F5E3D6CB8CCC8FA1-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DH    HW: 8K0 907 063 DH
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H16 0103  
   Revision: 08016001    Serial number: 00001303100201
   Coding: 260000108034AFE01781404300001D0D0F9D470827090201000008004400030100000024000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
   VCID: 78F5E3D6CB8CCC8FA1-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R2 955 119 A    HW: 8R2 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS416 160222  H13 0050 
   Serial number: 90243015160202145339
   Coding: 01DD13

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 C    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0004 
   Serial number: 61453192            
   Coding: 02005C

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
   Serial number: 00000000000203160313

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
   Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0005 
   Serial number: FDE8861800PAG0MUFU01

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 8R0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 959 655 G    HW: 8R0 959 655 G
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H49 0610  
   Serial number: 003JPDD1TZ09  
   Coding: 30473531313030303030554A305238523053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416 002004
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416.rod
   VCID: 48955316F3EC7C0F11-801C

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME572A0C46J

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME572B6949R

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME49762278M

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME24514C76J

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME43763262W

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME437647480

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 M    HW: 8K0 953 568 M
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H04 0005  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90372PC200044 
   Coding: 000037
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 448D4726C7C4586FFD-8010

   Component: E221 - MFL  H03 0004 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8R0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 920 950 T    HW: 8R0 920 950 T
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H35 0567  
   Revision: 00200000    Serial number: 03F22593H     
   Coding: 33A7220083012600010000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4797502AF6F2737718-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 T    HW: 8R0 907 468 C
   Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H11 0070  
   Revision: 1Y090032    Serial number: 3241Y16218092B
   Coding: 80CD07FF00
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 50A57B7603BCB4CF49-8004

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 915 181 C    HW: 8R0 915 181 C
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H07 8043 
   Serial number: 1866917603          

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663     HW: 8K0 959 663 
   Component: J532_DCDCStab  H17 0042 
   Serial number: 16068004209011200181

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels: 8K0-907-163.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 163 B    HW: 8K0 907 163 A
   Component: 4 Wheel Drive H15 0100  
   Serial number: 000303160001008
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN 003019
   ROD: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN.rod
   VCID: 2F67188A7642CB3730-807A

1 Fault Found:
0057 - Please Check Fault Codes in Body Control / Central Electric Module 
          U1021 00 [009] - -
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 42492 km
                    Date: 2019.07.08
                    Time: 20:41:36


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 R    HW: 8K0 959 793 P
   Component: TSG FA        H03 0511  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000188863247 
   Coding: 011D02214001440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4FA7780A1E82AB3750-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 8K0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 909 144 Q    HW: 8R0 909 144 L
   Component: RCevo         H54 0702  
   Revision: 00000002    Serial number: 0000714968
   Coding: 100000010001
   Shop #: WSC 06334 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 104002
   ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X_104.rod
   VCID: 46895D2EF9F86A7FE3-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 KG    HW: 8K0 907 064 KG
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H15 0711  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0397921012    
   Coding: 013B0622A0B930148720053680040047
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7F0708CAEEA2FBB7E0-802A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 951 177 
   Component: DWA-Sensor  H02 0040 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7N0 959 591 B    HW: 7N0 959 591 B
   Component: J245EE04SKB03  H04 0090 
   Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 7N0 959 591 B    HW: 7N0 959 591 B
   Component: J394EE04SKB03  H04 0090 
   Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 R    HW: 8K0 959 792 P
   Component: TSG BF        H03 0511  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000189182048 
   Coding: 011D02214001440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4E99650E1988A23F5B-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 N    HW: 8K0 907 801 J
   Component: EPB-4         H03 0005  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 10000000649248
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001028
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_AU48.rod
   VCID: 3A7139DEBD001E9F97-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 061 Q    HW: 4G0 035 061 
   Component: Radio U DAB   H60 0150  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 109CY0G2537516
   Coding: 010103020100000001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 2B5F0C9A4A5AB7171C-807E

4 Faults Found:
00417 - Left Front DSP Mid-Bass Speaker (R101) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 42492 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.07.08
                    Time: 20:41:39

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.30 V

00418 - Front Right DSP Mid-Bass Speaker (R102) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 42492 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.07.08
                    Time: 20:41:39

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.30 V

02558 - Rear Left Mid-Range/Woofer Loudspeaker (R159) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 42492 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.07.08
                    Time: 20:41:39

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.30 V

02559 - Rear Right Mid-Range/Woofer Loudspeaker (R160) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 90
                    Mileage: 42492 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.07.08
                    Time: 20:41:39

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.30 V


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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8R2 035 666 K    HW: 8R2 035 666 H
   Component: H-BN-EU       H49 0946  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 515CA0GS009523
   Coding: 1A0101060205A1ED05808B5E00000403E40000020000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 41834E32D8D64D47D6-8014

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 DF
   Component: EUR 2016  2204 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604 A    HW: 8R0 919 604 A
   Component: DU7 High  H42 0104 
   Serial number: A130CN0G3542064     

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 611 K    HW: 8T0 919 611 B
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H02 0030 
   Serial number: 00000002483434      

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 G
   Component: CD-Database  6890 

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 G    HW: 8K0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HL        H02 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000189790786 
   Coding: 010C02204001240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 46895D2EF1F86A7FE3-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8R0 827 851 D    HW: 8R0 827 851 D
   Component: J605  Master  H56 0330  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 8R0827851D    
   VCID: 3D7B32C2A42E29A7B2-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 827 852 D    HW: 8R0 827 852 D
   Component: J756  Slave  H56 0330 
   Serial number: 8R0827852D          

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 G    HW: 8K0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HR        H02 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000189790878 
   Coding: 010C02204001240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 46895D2EF1F86A7FE3-8012

No fault code found.

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Address A9: Struct. Borne Sound (J869)       Labels: 4H0-907-159.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 159     HW: 4H0 907 159 A
   Component: SAS-GEN 2     H06 0007  
   Serial number: 160210201456
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 003010
   ROD: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X.rod
   VCID: 79F3E6D2F886D587DE-802C

No fault code found.

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Address AC: Reductant Control (J880)       Labels: 4G0-907-355.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 907 355 G    HW: 4G0 907 355 B
   Component: SCR-Stg-G2    H10 0013  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 160421420
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RDCMA00100 008040
   ROD: EV_RDCMA00100_008.rod
   VCID: 2F67188A7642CB3730-807A

No fault code found.

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Address C0: Act. for Ext. Noise (J943)       Labels: 4G0-907-160.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 160 A    HW: 4G0 907 160 B
   Component: SAS-GEN 2 AGA H10 0008  
   Serial number: 160223200194
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ActuaForExterNoiseUDS 003013
   ROD: EV_ActuaForExterNoiseUDS.rod
   VCID: 326111FE6570E6DF5F-8066

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:26)--------------------------
 
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Oh well thanks to those who helped.
 
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Just wanted to revive this thread a little.

According to SSP 385 (pg 58) for the ZF 6HP transmission, it is necessary to read, evaluate, or delete adaptation values and carry out an adaptation run after:

- following complaints about gearshift comfort
- after repair work has been done on gearbox
- after replacing the gearbox
- after replacing the ATF
- after replacing the mechatronics
- after software update
- after engine repairs

So it stands to reason that the 8HP transmission has similar requirements. So is it possible to delete the adaptation values? I'll post the autoscan for my car asap. But this should apply to mrdeli as well.

The procedure outline in the SSP 385 (pg 63) basically says the below. SSP 457 (pg 53) says to use the same procedure for 0BK and 0BL gearboxes.

1) 02 - gear box
2) 006 - basic settings
3) delete system-specific adaptation values
4) start


Perhaps step 3 above corresponds to "IDE00794 - Erasing of system-specific adaptation values"" mentioned in this thread?

Thanks!

Alex
 
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I just tried this after researching on the web and found a few others who've performed the same procedure with good results.

Erasing the system-specific adaptation values does exactly what the SSP says it would. It erased all the adaptation values and counters for each of the clutches. You can see the values in Advanced Measured Values IDE07437 to IDE07456.

Immediately after the reset, the car shifts a bit rough. There are three types of adaptations the transmission needs to perform: quick, pulse, and slip.

A. Quick adaptation is the first thing to do:

1. ATF temp over 40 C
2. In D, drive with light throttle (60 - 100 Nm), max rpm 2100, 1 ->2 up shift, 2 ->3 upshift, 3 ->4 upshift
3. If possible, decelerate your speed without brake down to 40 kph/24 mph, let transmission downshift itself to proper gear

B. Slip adaptation is next:
4. After less than 24 mph, brake and stop the car completely. While still in D, hold brake and stay stationary for 7 seconds.

C. Pulse adaptation is done automatically while you're driving under light-medium throttle (less than 2100 rpm)

I believe this is necessary because the transmission reduces the frequency of automatic adaptations the higher the adaptation counter is registered in the computer. This is because each adaptation causes slight stress on the clutches/brakes. However, if you have new ATF or new mechatronics, you should re-adapt asap so the transmission shifts at the optimal points. Rough shifts causes more wear. If you do nothing, the system will automatically re-adapt over time, but that may be a long time if the adaptation counter is high.

So basically all I did was drive around the block a few times under light throttle, coast to a stop sign, then start moving under light throttle again. The more I drove/coast/stop, the smoother the shifts became. This totally fixed the slightly rough downshift I had from 4 -> 3.
 
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