New Member: 2017 Tiguan Auto Hold/Handbrake Issue

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Good evening.
I have been suffering from the dreaded Auto Hold problem for some time. The dealer has been unable/unwilling to resolve the problem- which curiously goes away when I take it in to them!
I know it is not driver error as many others have reported problems on TRocs, Seat Atecas and Tiguans.
It manifests itself in a reluctance to release the handbrake when pulling away (car is manual version), and manouvering using Auto Hold is a nightmare.
I understand that it may be possible to adjust the sensitivity of the Auto Hold, and/or handbrake function using VCDS. Does anyone know the channel and coding required to achieve this- and any security codes required?
 
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Hi and welcome.

Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly how your car is equipped and configured.

-Uwe-
 
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Recent scan here:

Code:
Saturday,04,May,2019,15:11:10:03359
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4437.4
Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVGZZZ5NZHWXXXXXX   License Plate: 
Mileage: 37916km-23559mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 5N-VW37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 13 15 16 17 19 22 36 42 44 52 55 5F A5 BB BC
          CA

VIN: WVGZZZ5NZHWXXXXXX   Mileage: 37916km-23559miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: OK 0000
BB-Door Rear Drv -- Status: OK 0000
BC-Door Rear Pass -- Status: OK 0000
CA-Sunroof -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-DFGA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 026 JC    HW: 04L 907 309 P
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H24 3023  
   Revision: B4H24---    
   Coding: 0119001203471D082000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026JC 004002
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026GQ_004.rod
   VCID: 74B02969AE3BFE578A5-8020

3 Faults Found:
17158 - Databus 
          U1123 00 [032] - Received Error Message
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

7150 - Implausible Data Received from Steering Angle Sensor Module (G85) 
          U0428 00 [032] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

28991 - No Communications with NOX Sensor 1 
          U029D 00 [032] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 614 517 CE    HW: 5Q0 614 517 AC
   Component: ESC           H25 0413  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 62126000000014
   Coding: 0AEE929A34230B734778070062C94950492CD0E2E046927D34605078C02A4200002F641A1B13111435351919323200
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 036010
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_036_VW37.rod
   VCID: 76B41361B847EC47B41-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (E87)       Labels:| 3V0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5NA 907 044 K    HW: 5NA 907 044 K
   Component: AC Automat    H35 4003  
   Revision: 20K08000    Serial number: 00000B00207067
   Coding: 0012012420211001110510000010112A
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaPrehVW37X 002014
   ROD: EV_ACClimaPrehVW37X_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 47CAAEA58F2D25CF1F7-8012

   Rear Climatronic Operating And Display Unit: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3G0 907 049 E    HW: 3G0 907 049 E
   Component: E265KlimaHeck  H02 0201 
   Serial number: 00000000000000000000
   Coding: 000000

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 5Q0-937-08X-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 CG    HW: 5Q0 937 084 CG
   Component: BCM MQBAB H   H34 0236  
   Serial number: 02001623202154
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMMQB 017001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_017.rod
   VCID: 7F5AF645977DAD0FE77-802A

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5NC 955 119     HW: 5NC 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: 326 RL 160708  033 0372 
   Serial number: 00000001607050306596
   Coding: 0E4DDD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 B    HW: 5Q0 955 547 B  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLHS  042 0105 
   Serial number: S5Y16M08D17H05M33S09
   Coding: 00A8DD

   Sensor For Anti Theft Alarm System: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 172     HW: 5Q0 951 172 
   Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0316 
   Serial number: 000000000ZY161960GTM

   Alarm horn: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605 A    HW: 5Q0 951 605 A
   Component: Sirene, DWA  005 0313 
   Serial number: 00000000000066626277

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 919 294 A    HW: 3Q0 919 294 
   Component: PDC 8 Kanal   H07 0020  
   Serial number: 002607167478021
   Coding: 0071451801
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHBO18VW3260000 007015
   ROD: EV_EPHBO18VW3260000.rod
   VCID: 372ADE65FFCD554F6F7-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 2Q0-907-572.clb
   Part No SW: 2Q0 907 572 J    HW: 2Q0 907 572 B
   Component: ACCCONTIMQB   H01 0156  
   Coding: 2A0140C158FF8728749C8065104085
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCMRRCONTIVW376 001011
   ROD: EV_ACCMRRCONTIVW376_001.rod
   VCID: 3B22C255C3E5712F8BF-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 AR    HW: 5Q0 959 655 AR
   Component: AirbagVW21    003 0315  
   Serial number: 003TDR21RP42
   Coding: 98CCC0C00C0000005C5400CF008800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002154
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X.rod
   VCID: 107845F9BAE3A2770ED-8044

   Belt Pretensioner left: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 980 945 A    HW: 4M0 980 945 A
   Component: BeltPretRevFL  106 1032 
   Serial number: 5NC857705C0225Q00552
   Coding: 80000D

   Belt Pretensioner right: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4M0 980 946 A    HW: 4M0 980 946 A
   Component: BeltPretRevFR  106 1032 
   Serial number: 5NC857706C0228Q00087
   Coding: 80000D

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 508 16
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 3570000000010A0D3D1D
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 708 16
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 3580000000041C449B1J
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 208 16
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  000 6149 
   Serial number: 35100019920F2B2467F6
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 208 16
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  000 6149 
   Serial number: 35200019920F2B22E663
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 208 16
   Component: FrontSensor_D  000 6149 
   Serial number: 3550001A320F2B23C0F3
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Driver: 
   Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 208 16
   Component: PedP_Sensor_D  000 6149 
   Serial number: 2280001C121DBA0174E3
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Passenger: 
   Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 208 16
   Component: PedP_Sensor_P  000 6149 
   Serial number: 2290001A920F2B2602D0
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Center: 
   Subsystem 10 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 208 16
   Component: PedP_Sensor_C  000 6149 
   Serial number: 2300001A920F2B2373D/
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Driver 2: 
   Subsystem 11 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 908 16
   Component: PedPSensor_D2  001 0887 
   Serial number: I0M00000000B57354D13
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Passenger 2: 
   Subsystem 12 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 908 16
   Component: PedPSensor_P2  001 0887 
   Serial number: I0N00000000D57354D16
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J524)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 521 R    HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
   Component: Lenks.Modul   075 0235  
   Revision: FF034034    Serial number: 20160722500627
   Coding: 0C00
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001015
   ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB.rod
   VCID: 41DEB0BDA1091BFFD13-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5NA 920 791 A    HW: 5NA 920 791 A
   Component: KOMBI         405 2153  
   Coding: 27A400006F84260001886B031401000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009052
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 41DEB0BDA1091BFFD13-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 AM    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
   Component: GW MQB High   128 1265  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0005212445
   Coding: 030500041F087300FB07225E0A0F00010001050000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 013020
   ROD: EV_GatewLear_013_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7CA00149866BB617C25-8028

   Alternator: 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5TA 959 442 B    HW: 5TA 959 442 B  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H06 0023 
   Serial number: 2181604401300585AT2B
   Coding: 2C0000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5QA 915 181 D    HW: 5QA 915 181 D
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H10 9070 
   Serial number: 7203401004          

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels:* 0CQ-907-554.clb
   Part No SW: 0CQ 907 554 H    HW: 0CQ 525 130 
   Component: Haldex4Motion H52 7083  
   Serial number: HA1-00011.07.16
   Coding: 0101
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X 004013
   ROD: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X_004.rod
   VCID: 4ACC97919C3FD8A7009-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J810)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 760 B    HW: 5Q0 959 760 B
   Component: Sitzmemory    H08 0020  
   Serial number: Y0006PHB14851
   Coding: 0014000000000500018281818181000000008181000000F400
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide 002021
   ROD: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide.rod
   VCID: 3C20C149C6EB7617825-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 593 E    HW: 5Q0 959 593 B
   Component: TSG FS        020 0041  
   Serial number: 030416ED314107
   Coding: 003F0220D201048000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 43D2BAB5BB1509EFC3F-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 T    HW: 5Q0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  128 1072  
   Coding: 9107
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 013144
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_013.rod
   VCID: 45D6A4ADB52137DFEDB-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 592 E    HW: 5Q0 959 592 B
   Component: TSG BFS       020 0041  
   Serial number: 090716EG905536
   Coding: 003F0020DE01048000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 42DCBFB1A40F00E7C89-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels:| 7P6-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 907 357 E    HW: 7P6 907 357 A
   Component: AFS-ECU       H07 0051  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 08AE00104B200201
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulAFSMQBMAX 001001
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulAFSMQBMAX_VW37.rod
   VCID: 41DEB0BDA1091BFFD13-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 035 874 B    HW: 3Q0 035 874 B
   Component: MU-S-ND-ER    840 0751  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 02730601FF00000051110101008808001F0100E6012000008F
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CDELP 001001
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CDELP_VW26.rod
   VCID: 313EE07D11A98B7F213-8064

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 606     HW: 5G0 919 606 
   Component: ABT_High  H63 0032 
   Serial number: VWZ8Z9SKL036AK      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5NA 919 866 H    HW: -----------
   Component: ECE1 2019/20  --- 1115 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels:| 3Q0-980-65X-A5.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 980 654 F    HW: 3Q0 980 654 
   Component: MQB_B_MFK     H06 0220  
   Serial number: 19081611P11296
   Coding: 0003070600000401000213448050A10094000E200040
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschMQBB 001001
   ROD: EV_MFKBoschMQBB_001_VW36.rod
   VCID: 3A2CC751CCDF4827909-806E

No fault code found.

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Address BB: Door Rear Drv (J388)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 595 E    HW: 5Q0 959 595 B
   Component: TSG HFS       020 0041  
   Serial number: 280716EGS12886
   Coding: 002A00200100048000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearDriveMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCURearDriveMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 45D6A4ADB52137DFEDB-8010

No fault code found.

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Address BC: Door Rear Pass (J389)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 595 E    HW: 5Q0 959 595 B
   Component: TSG HBFS      020 0041  
   Serial number: 290716EGS18653
   Coding: 002A00200100048000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearPasseMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCURearPasseMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 45D6A4ADB52137DFEDB-8010

No fault code found.

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Address CA: Sunroof (J245)       Labels:| 4M0-907-594.clb
   Part No SW: 4M0 907 594 J    HW: 4M0 907 594 
   Component: SAD_STG_1     013 0005  
   Coding: 308040732602
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SunRoofCONTIAU736 006008
   ROD: EV_SunRoofCONTIAU736_006.rod
   VCID: 3D26CC4DDDF17F1FB5B-8068

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:32, VBatt start/end: 11.8V/11.9V. VIgn 11.9V)-----
Do you think the three faults under the Engine section are anything to be concerned about- or something left over from a recent battery disconnection?
 
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Do you think the three faults under the Engine section are anything to be concerned about- or something left over from a recent battery disconnection?
Not sure. They're all "Intermittent - Not Confirmed". Do they come back if you clear them?

As for your Auto-Hold issues: I see this is a new-style Tiguan with the EPB integrated into the ABS. The ABS module has several Adaptation channels that might affect this behavior:

IDE05264 -- AUTO HOLD increase threshold: reduced tensioning force (%)
IDE05265 -- AUTO HOLD increase threshold: full tensioning force (%)
IDE06139 -- AUTO HOLD slippage recognition (not activated / activated)

I would start by having a look at what's in those channels.

I do not know whether a Security Access code would be required to change them.

-Uwe-

PS: I got you Verified and am moving this to the Tweaks section.
 
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^^^ niggly: Hi - to add to Uwe's sage advice:

I'm not sure if my issue is my Antipodean version of English but in reading your description of the problem ("reluctance to release the handbrake when pulling away"), you might also consider the Hill-hold function.

In the hex03 module, there is an adapptation channel with the appropriately name descriptor:MAS02138-Hill-start assistant and the factory setting is normally normal. But it's possible to set this to early - might be worth consideration IMO.

Don

PS: And if you want to disable Hill-hold entirely, you will find a discourse on the topic HERE (don't worry about reference to "MK7" - the vehicle shares your Tiggy's MQB platform DNA)
 
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Thank you for all your replies.
With reference to the Hill Hold Assist- I was aware of Hill Hold, and had seen the adaptation channel in the controller, but is it the same thing as Auto Hold- ie will changes to Hill Hold affect the way Auto Hold works?
 
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Thank you for all your replies.
With reference to the Hill Hold Assist- I was aware of Hill Hold, and had seen the adaptation channel in the controller, but is it the same thing as Auto Hold- ie will changes to Hill Hold affect the way Auto Hold works?
niggly:I'm not sure of the official definitions, but my understanding is that Auto-hold and hill-hold are related. However, the two are kind-of different because they separately target opposite ends of the car's travel.

AUTO-hold targets the stopped behavior of the car -the function assures an automatic hold over the vehicle when stationary (regardless of the way the vehicle was brought to a stop). For auto-hold, the pressure required is calculated and set by the ABS module @ address hex03. After the car is stopped for a period of time, the system then changes over to the EPB (i.e. the holding torque is calculated and passed on from the ABS control unit to the EPB)

Hill hold targets the way that the EPB releases itself when the vehicle is driven off. It's a complex system of balance between the EPB, the accelerator and clutch pedal.

So the two functions do different things!!;) If you alter the auto-hold function, it won't/shouldn't affect hill-hold (except at the extremes - I guess)

Don
 
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niggly:I'm not sure of the official definitions, but my understanding is that Auto-hold and hill-hold are related. However, the two are kind-of different because they separately target opposite ends of the car's travel.

AUTO-hold targets the stopped behavior of the car -the function assures an automatic hold over the vehicle when stationary (regardless of the way the vehicle was brought to a stop). For auto-hold, the pressure required is calculated and set by the ABS module @ address hex03. After the car is stopped for a period of time, the system then changes over to the EPB (i.e. the holding torque is calculated and passed on from the ABS control unit to the EPB)

Hill hold targets the way that the EPB releases itself when the vehicle is driven off. It's a complex system of balance between the EPB, the accelerator and clutch pedal.

So the two functions do different things!!;) If you alter the auto-hold function, it won't/shouldn't affect hill-hold (except at the extremes - I guess)

Don
What a brilliant explanation Don, Thank you for taking the time to answer.
From what you've described, it certainly looks like Hill Hold is the area I need to look at- since most of the issues I've experienced relate to problems pulling away and manouvering.
 
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