VW Phaeton 2006 Electrical Problem

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Hallo members,

I need your help.

I have VW Phaeton 2006 , when I bought it consumer battery was drain so I bought a new one, but battery is still extremly draining. I cant find in VCDS battery replacement procedure option, so probably is not needed. On car I can not connect with vcds to the radio, navigation and telephone. On display radio is working but sound I cant hear....When I want to set volume its show that DSP access to sound system temporarily not possible...When I connect to the Central electric 09 , and I want to see MVB, VCDS has been freeze or write me error that they are soo much errors, and I cant see any MVB..

Thank You so much for your help! And sorry for my english. :)

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Saturday,16,March,2019,15:17:46:51262
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0
Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url]


VIN: WVWZZZ3DZ78002153   License Plate: 
Mileage: 191790km-119172mi   Repair Order: NN


Chassis Type: 3D (3D - VW Phaeton (2002 > 2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 07 08 09 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 23 27 28 29 2E
          34 36 37 38 39 46 47 55 56 57 65 66 68 69 71 75 76 77
 
VIN: WVWZZZ3DZ78002153   Mileage: 191790km-119172miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 059-907-401-ASB.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 907 401 A    HW: 8E0 907 401 AB
   Component: 3.0L V6TDI  G000AG  0010  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number: VWZ3Z0F1540273
   Coding: 0011773
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 1D35E9AFC779F0A2D6-5102

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl
   Part No SW: 09L 927 760 J    HW: GS1 911 4*
   Component: AG6 09L 3.0lTDI RdW 2205  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:        4223331
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3E770E236ABF8BBAEF-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3D0-614-517.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 614 517 AK
   Component: ESP 5.7 allrad  H33 0047  
   Coding: 0008356
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 6BD1F777494DCE1218-5102

1 Fault Found:
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            000 -  - 

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 909 139 B    HW: 5WK 485 04
   Component:    Kessy            6840  
   Revision: 68406418    Serial number: VWZ3Z0F1540273
   Coding: 0004328
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 285BC87B983B250AB5-5102

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3D0-907-040.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 907 040 J
   Component: Climatronic D1      2031  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 32261 002 1048576
   VCID: 2545C14FEF2938628E-5102

1 Fault Found:
01341 - Control Module in Instrument Panel On Comfort CAN (J285) 
            008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3D0-937-049-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 937 049 L    HW: 3D0 937 049 L
   Component: J519                6200  
   Revision: -4003---    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 6102000028211D000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00709 219 88493
   VCID: 33612F1751FD56D210-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 E
   Component: 0H Airbag 8.4E+ H10 0935  
   Coding: 0012360
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2545C14FEF2938628E-50E6

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3D0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 953 549 D
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul     3401  
   Coding: 0000031
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2E573E63BADF7B3A7F-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 920 885 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB8 0610  
   Coding: 0023111
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 285BC87B983B250AB5-5102

1 Fault Found:
01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            014 - Defective

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101  
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 70EBE01B606B2DCA2D-5102

1 Fault Found:
01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            014 - Defective

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Address 29: Left Light        Labels: 3D0-909-157.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 157 A
   Component: EVG GDL+AutoLWR(l)  0001  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2759CB4795252A72BC-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 3D0-907-553-V2.clb
   Part No: 3D0 907 553 C
   Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3V0 1122  
   Coding: 0005521
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2759CB4795252A72BC-5102

2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
00477 - Control Module; Display & Input; Comfort CAN; Front (J523) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 38: Roof Electronics        Labels: 3D0-907-135.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 907 135 C
   Component: Dachmodul           0708  
   Coding: 0000024
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2341DF57E11DC652E0-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 39: Right Light        Labels: 3D0-909-158.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 158 A
   Component: EVG GDL+AutoLWR(r)  0001  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 285BC87B983B250AB5-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3D0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 959 933 F
   Component: X3 HSG              0102  
   Coding: 0000034
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 33612F1751FD56D210-4AE6

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3D1 959 701 H
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0201

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3D1 959 702 H
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0201

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3D0 959 703 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0201

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 3D0 959 704 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0201

No fault code found.

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Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 3Dx-955-1xx-V1.clb
   Part No: 3D1 955 119 A
   Component: Front Wiper         2005  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2759CB4795252A72BC-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 71: Battery Charger        Labels: 3D0-915-181.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 915 181 D
   Component: Batteriemanagement  2800  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2443DC4BE413C16A99-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: None
   Part No: 3D0 919 283 D
   Component: 01 Einparkhilfe     0907  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2B51377789CD0E1258-5102

No fault code found.

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I have one idea..that CAN gateway is defective. I think that gateway is integratted in dashboard, so need replace dashboard and then adapt keys?

BTW: when is car locked, on battery is drain between 1-3 Ampers ... Its pretty much

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BTW: when is car locked, on battery is drain between 1-3 Ampers ... Its pretty much
Why not first try popping fuses one at a time and measuring the current taken by the components fed by that fuse by bridging the contacts using a multimeter, then use a WD to isolate what components are supplied by the fuse with the current drain?

Better than the hassle of replacing the instruments - and potentially finding the problem still exists :thumbs:
 
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So, After remove fuse nr. 17 - Radio , current drain is 0,45A. Then after remove fuse nr. 33- navigation current drain is 0,03A finally. So it is possible to defective CAN gateway right?

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I would say try and carry out systematic fault finding/ closed circuit drain tests and solve the problem by elimination than substituting parts.
Lock the car for about 2 hours and use multimeter to check which fuses are actively taking current. Use the WD to check which circuits are related and consumers hooked to such circuits This gives you an idea where the source of drain could be. I think there is a TPI on this issue as well.
 
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Can you explain why? ...I dont think so
Trace how current is sent to the radio and what is required for wake or sleep period.

It's evident in the WD isn't it or maybe you don't think so, so why even read it and perform the shotgun approach & roll the diagnostic dice on statistics versus verifying it, huh?

 
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Trace how current is sent to the radio and what is required for wake or sleep period.

It's evident in the WD isn't it or maybe you don't think so, so why even read it and perform the shotgun approach & roll the diagnostic dice on statistics versus verifying it, huh?

So why it's not turning sleep mode just to radio and Navi? If will be faulty ign switch, all interior components will stay in wake mode I think.
and it is impossible to connect via vcds to radio and Navi unit..faulty ign switch? Still don't think so.

And secondly, in autoscan you can see fault about Can databus.

01305 - Databus for Infotainment
014 - Defective
 
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Whatever modules are powered by fuse 33 should be investigated first before condemning the CAN gateway.
I agree with you, but I have no any usefull WD...
 
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So why it's not turning sleep mode just to radio and Navi? If will be faulty ign switch, all interior components will stay in wake mode I think.
and it is impossible to connect via vcds to radio and Navi unit..faulty ign switch? Still don't think so.

And secondly, in autoscan you can see fault about Can databus.

01305 - Databus for Infotainment
014 - Defective

Says the opposition response & dismissing a possibility without having the RTFB or reviewing a WD.........you are right I shouldn't of shared.

Yawn...........
http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_272_d1.pdf

The control unit for battery monitoring is-activated by the control unit for entry and start authorization (J 518) with the signals 'Ignition key in the ignition lock' (Key-In) 'Ignition switched on'(Terminal 15) and the start signal (Terminal 50).
 
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So why it's not turning sleep mode just to radio and Navi? If will be faulty ign switch, all interior components will stay in wake mode I think.
and it is impossible to connect via vcds to radio and Navi unit..faulty ign switch? Still don't think so.

And secondly, in autoscan you can see fault about Can databus.

01305 - Databus for Infotainment
014 - Defective
The radio/sat nav uses messages on the Infotainment CAN bus to tell it to turn on/off, it does NOT have an ignition feed only permanent power - so IMHO it's nothing to do with the ignition switch.

The faulty Infotainment CAN bus message can be caused by ANY device on the Infotainment CAN bus being faulty - not just the CAN Gateway. This is why you need a WD to see what devices are connected to the Infotainment CAN bus and then disconnect them ONE AT A TIME until the fault goes away.

Fault find - do not assume :thanks:
 
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The radio/sat nav uses messages on the Infotainment CAN bus to tell it to turn on/off, it does NOT have an ignition feed only permanent power - so IMHO it's nothing to do with the ignition switch.

The faulty Infotainment CAN bus message can be caused by ANY device on the Infotainment CAN bus being faulty - not just the CAN Gateway. This is why you need a WD to see what devices are connected to the Infotainment CAN bus and then disconnect them ONE AT A TIME until the fault goes away.

Fault find - do not assume :thanks:
Look at this.

What I have to do now?
 
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Look at this.

What I have to do now?
That WD (which doesn't show the complete Infotainment CAN bus BTW) shows that the |Infotainment CAN bus connects to many units, at least:
J526
J401
J523
J525
J412
J415
... and possibly others on other pages of the WD - so you need to check all pages of the WD that the Infotainment CAN bus is shown on.

First I would disconnect the radio/sat nav and see if the other units on the Infotainment CAN bus communicate OK.

If that fails then what you need to do is disconnect one of those units at a time and see when the radio/sat nav starts communicating again.

It's not rocket science - eliminate one possible cause of the fault at a time until you find the root cause.
 
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