Changing from direct to indirect TPMS?

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Hello. I've got a VW Passat which have got TPMS with sensors in the wheels.
Or at least did have sensors in the wheels.
Neither my summer or winter tyres have sensors anymore, and have not had them since I bought the car.
I'm about to buy new tires for both sets of wheels and my jaw dropped at the price of sensors.

So - Can I code my car to use ABS-signals only for tyre monitoring?
Attached the last scan I did. Ignore the avalanche of errors on there, I just neglected going down into the garage for doing a scan for this thread :)

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Saturday,19,January,2019,13:48:36:12369
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.0.4 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4436.4
Data version: 20181017 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE057230   License Plate: 
Mileage: 285420km-177351mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 3C-N/A (3C0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 14 15 16 17 19 22 25 2E 36 42 44 46 52 53
          55 56 62 65 72 76 77

VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE057230   Mileage: 285420km-177351miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: Not registered 0001
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Not registered 0001
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
77-Telephone -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
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Address 01: Engine (AXZ)       Labels: 03H-906-032-BLV.clb
   Part No SW: 03H 906 032 HB    HW: 03H 906 032 AB
   Component: P3.2-FSI-EU4    G   4845  
   Revision: 5GH04---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0000175
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 698CB511257AE75F295-803C

1 Fault Found:
000805 - Knock Sensor 1 (G61) 
               P0325 - 008 - Malfunction - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 285235 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.06.02
                    Time: 19:57:25

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2324 /min
                    Load: 7.1 %
                    Speed: 52.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 52.0°C
                    Temperature: 3.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 980.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.716 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 043 T    HW: 02E 927 770 AM
   Component: TVS DSG ST3     531 2199  
   Revision:    53104    Serial number: 00001509260786
   Coding: 0000024
   Shop #: WSC 00020 000 90108
   VCID: 2514F92189E2033FCDD-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 AF    HW: 3C0 614 109 AF
   Component: J104    C4 440 V2   0015  
   Revision: --025---    Serial number: 00000795617354
   Coding: 0000395
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 629EA23DD84CB407E8F-8036

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3C0-907-044.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 044 EB    HW: 3C0 907 044 EB
   Component: ClimatronicPQ46 133 1010  
   Revision: 00133026    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6594B921C962C33F0DD-8030

3 Faults Found:
01809 - Actuating Motor for Temperature Flap; Left (V158) 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 47
                    Mileage: 283737 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.03.31
                    Time: 16:00:00

01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 28
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0

01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 28
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000003327726
   Coding: F78E890750463C001F00326432000000801B304164400100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00027 218 80666
   VCID: 3330177937366D8F539-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 419 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 140709 006  0208  
   Coding: 00134942
   Shop #: WSC 00027  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AF  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RLS     160909 046  0204  
   Coding: 00134942
   Shop #: WSC 00027  

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 28
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        OFF
                    Voltage: 12.00 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 3C8-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 919 475 A    HW: 3C8 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H07 0009  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 08720924603904
   Coding: 100102
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 323E127DC42C648758F-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250)       Labels:. 3C0-907-376.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 376 A    HW: 3C0 907 376 
   Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H07 0070  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 15090903270001
   Coding: 010180
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 2708F329FFEE112FFF1-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 H    HW: 5N0 959 655 H
   Component: J234__025 VW10 HI   1916  
   Revision: 20013000    Serial number: 003E1PKCQE3W  
   Coding: 0012853
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 42DE42BD788CD407C8F-8016

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MTS628722449 

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MTS680052369 

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS6PM8N09KJ 

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS61P4119KJ 

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW25.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 AJ    HW: 3C0 953 549 AJ
   Component: J0527               0030  
   Revision: 00032000    Serial number: 3C9953507CN   
   Coding: 0001612
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 74B2D46572B82AB78A3-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C8 959 537 D  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TK6   H07 0022  
   Coding: 00000227
   Shop #: WSC 00000  

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 3C8 920 880 F    HW: 3C8 920 880 F
   Component: KOMBI         H03 0132  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 161F00
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 2F381B09D79E496F371-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 3C0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 L    HW: 3C0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H13 0152  
   Revision:   H13       Serial number: 3300P099290305
   Coding: FD8BFF0F000412002002
   Shop #: WSC 00027 218 81049
   VCID: 2A0E0A1DE0FC2C47E0F-807E

4 Faults Found:
01327 - Control Module for Parking Aid (J446) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 243
                    Mileage: 284131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.05.06
                    Time: 20:58:17

01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 243
                    Mileage: 284131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.05.06
                    Time: 20:58:17

03272 - Control Module for Audio Interface 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 243
                    Mileage: 284131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.05.06
                    Time: 20:58:17

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 243
                    Mileage: 284131 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.05.06
                    Time: 20:58:17


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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 0BS 907 554 A    HW: 0BS 907 554 A
   Component: Haldex 4Motion      4013  
   Coding: 0000005
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 44D244A56298DA37FA3-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
   Component:    IMMO         052 0383  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00040 218 58589
   VCID: 75B4E96179C233BFBDD-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 G
   Component:    ELV          027 0380
   3C0905861G     ELV          027 0380   

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3
Cannot be reached

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: 3C0-959-760.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 760 E    HW: 3C0 959 760 E
   Component: Sitzverstellung     1101  
   Revision: 00005000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2F381B09DB1E496F371-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AS    HW: 1K0 959 793 P
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1501  
   Revision: 71009005    Serial number: 00000876798916
   Coding: 0004599
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 7F580B494BFE79EFE71-802A

2 Faults Found:
00131 - Outside Door Handle Illumination/mirror Light Driver Side 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 7
                    Mileage: 277423 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.08.11
                    Time: 01:54:45

01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 28
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 P    HW: 5N1 909 148 J
   Component: J500__APA-BS KL.318 1202  
   Revision: 1BH04737    Serial number: 00131890007201
   Coding: 0000258
   Shop #: WSC 00610 218 138159
   VCID: 3FD84B490B7EB9EFA71-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
   Component:    KSG PQ46 RDK 052 0412  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0091020051034E7630041F1F700ACFCE705801
   Shop #: WSC 00027 218 81049
   VCID: 75B4E96179C233BFBDD-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H09 9002

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
   Component: Neigungssensor  004 0611

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
   Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611

3 Faults Found:
00323 - Vehicle Inclination Sensor (G384) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 15
                    Mileage: 283944 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.04.23
                    Time: 11:06:21

01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 16
                    Reset counter: 47
                    Mileage: 284047 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.04.29
                    Time: 16:02:16

01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 28
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AS    HW: 1K0 959 792 P
   Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1501  
   Revision: 71009005    Serial number: 00000759198910
   Coding: 0004598
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 005A88B5360006179EB-8054

2 Faults Found:
00132 - Outside Door Handle Illumination/mirror Light Passenger Side 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 53
                    Reset counter: 44
                    Mileage: 277423 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.08.11
                    Time: 01:54:45

01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 28
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 E    HW: 3C8 907 801 E
   Component: J540 EPB3  VW-15417 0007  
   Revision:   010       Serial number: 00000000034334
   Coding: 0000057
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 2C020C05EA083277123-8078

1 Fault Found:
02432 - Supply Voltage for Left Parking Brake Motor (V282) 
            007 - Short to Ground - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11110111
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 7
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 6.70 V
                    Count: 34
                         -
                    Hex Value: 0x0271
                    Hex Value: 0x0081
                    Hex Value: 0x1010


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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.lbl
   Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C
   Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0142  
   Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 2346177
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 3432146532386AB74A3-8060

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0004  
   Coding: 00000035

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0004  
   Coding: 00000035

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 
   VCID: 55F489E19C0253BF9DD-FFFE


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AB    HW: 1K0 959 795 L
   Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   0307  
   Revision: 41004101    Serial number: 00000001085550
   Coding: 0000208
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 70BAD87506A016976EB-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
   Component:    RDK              0453  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0161211
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 75B4E96179C233BFBDD-8020

1 Fault Found:
01477 - System Switched Off 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01110000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 277651 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.08.11
                    Time: 05:04:37


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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AB    HW: 1K0 959 794 L
   Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   0307  
   Revision: 41004101    Serial number: 00000001083423
   Coding: 0000208
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 71BCDD710DAA1F9F615-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist
Cannot be reached

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Address 77: Telephone
Cannot be reached

End----(Elapsed Time: 02:58, VBatt start/end: 11.6V/11.5V. VIgn 11.6V)-----
 
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Most people would go the other way! Indirect TPMS just uses the ABS speed sensors to establish if a tyre has low air. Yes it's doable as is anything on any car but it'll involve some wiring to stop the gateway throwing up faults.
 
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I paid 60 EUR shipped for the four OEM sensors, brand new. is that really not affordable?
 
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Haha, I'm not that cheap of a man. I was quoted a hell of a lot more than 60 - Did you buy online?
Speaking of sensors, if I buy them after all, would I need to code them or will the car learn itself, doing magic?
 
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on eBay, of course. tomorrow I will check what sensors you car needs and give you the part number, I am sure you can find a deal across europe.

when I retrofitted direct TPMS, I also wondered how to match the sensors to the control module. well, the module learned the sensors by itself after driving for a short while.
(although your car is not MQB so COULD be different...)
 
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take a look at eBay item 253285570502. if you can confirm the part number, that's a bargain. I can't check before tomorrow.
 
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that sensor I linked is for Passat from 2006 to 2011, not sure when your car was made.
 
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