MK60 ABS blockage?

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Do'h!

I think I broke R32ran...

During some "spirited" driving, the ESP and traction control was activated.

I parked for a while and then ever since, the right rear brake hasn't been working!

I've run the Basic Settings group 1 and bled the ABS under pressure through the 2 front brakes, then tried bleeding all the wheels - no bubbles etc, and bled heaps of fluid through both fronts and left rear... but nothing will come out the right rear!!!

I checked the junction under the floor, and nothing there either, which makes me think the ABS module has a blockage or fault.

Does that sound feasible to the collective clever clogs??? I haven't checked AT the ABS outlet to the right rear as it's difficult to get to, but I guess that's the next step. In my mind, the ABS is more liekly blocked than the OUTlet of the ABS block...

Any clever suggestions, of advice?

I guess if it's the ABS block, I *could* upgrade to MK60EC1 :D

Give me your thoughts - please :cool:


Thanks,
Allan


slightly aged evidence of the FOD, that IS my car ;)

Code:
Friday,03,August,2018,17:15:16:42165
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.5 (x64)
Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ6W124470   License Plate: 
Mileage: 125990km-78286mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 7D

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ6W124470   Mileage: 125990km-78286miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 CD    HW:             
   Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1    7802  
   Revision: --H07---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E3138758
   Coding: 0000172
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 4FAD5C06DE79993CED-801A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AB    HW: 1K0 907 379 AB
   Component: ESP 4MOTION MK60    0102  
   Revision: 00H13001    
   Coding: 0004738
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 72EBF5F26D0B94D422-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 044 BD
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 090 0808  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6ADBED9245DB5C149A-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 D    HW: 3C0 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 1002  
   Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000005382893
   Coding: 008D07010004100000120C000000000000097B075C
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 2A5B2D92855B9C145A-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW358  012  0401  
   Coding: 00063445
   Shop #: WSC 12345  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1T0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 909 605 C    HW: 1T0 909 605 C
   Component: 02 AIRBAG VW62 0506 1500  
   Revision: 09025000    Serial number: 0038BD0H4NRK  
   Coding: 0012338
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 35610EEE5CE5C3ECC7-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AF    HW: 1K0 953 549 AF
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 034 0070  
   Coding: 0000042
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 76E3C9E2016388F40E-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 1K6 920 862 F
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 4316  
   Coding: 0001103
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 336530F65291DDDCE9-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 BL    HW: 7N0 907 530 AN
   Component: J533  Gateway H56 1682  
   Revision:   H56       Serial number: 200917F1001094
   Coding: 358003
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 7BF5D8D6FA41D59C71-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 1K0-907-554.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 554 
   Component: HALDEX 4Motion      0101  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6ADBED9245DB5C149A-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 1K6 920 862 F
   Component: IMMO            VDD 4316  
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 336530F65291DDDCE9-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN2.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 959 701 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2302  
   Coding: 0000765
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 366309E241E3C8F4CE-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V2.clb
   Part No: 1K2 909 144 K
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.0   D06 1701  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 346733EA579FDAE4F0-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AK
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 00C802087F008405485FC61010CC
   Shop #: WSC 12345 678 910111
   VCID: 79F9C2DE307DE78C63-802C

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 947 291 F
   Component: Innenraumueberw.009 4809  
   Coding: 00000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000  

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

   Subsystem 7 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 C
   Component: Neigungssensor  005 0003

1 Fault Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            000 -  - 

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN2.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 959 702 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2302  
   Coding: 0000756
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 377D04E646E931FCD5-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 6RD 035 187 B    HW: 6RD 035 187 B
   Component: Radio         541 5515  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: VWZZZ4H6290453
   Coding: 16000400040000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 45678
   VCID: 46837922F10358745E-8012

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 164
                    Mileage: 125999 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 17:10:39


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN2.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 703 E
   Component: Tuer-SG         021 2428  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 326B35F2AD8BD4D4E2-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN2.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 704 E
   Component: Tuer-SG         021 2428  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 336530F65291DDDCE9-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 7D: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E    HW: 1K0 963 235 E
   Component: PTC-Element         0404  
   Revision: 00800000    Serial number:               
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2D51268EB4B58B2CBF-8078

No fault code found.

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Urgh... also - my garage floor has no shortage of brake fluid... and the paint on the concrete has been removed... and I need a new brake bleeding container...


note to self: Don't leave the brake bleeding container UNDER the car when you drop it down :D
 
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Handy information to know:

MK60 Hydraulic units, that share the same "block" number... are the same hydraulic unit. The block number is stamped into the block.

I could have left the oriinal Touran hydraulic unit in this car, and just swapped the Electronics across - My MK60 4motion ABD unit has a 2054 block, as does the Touran original, and the A3 donor car I used. A VW repair block fits all units with the same number :D

So I actually have 3 hydraulic blocks to pick from.

My next move, is to strip the car down to access the ABS, remove the ABS unit, and replace the Hydraulic unit with the Touran original. I'll swap the ECU over, and flush ALL the lines, drain the system and refill from fresh...

... but possibly not until I take some time of work :D It doesn't much look like fun!
 
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I installed a spare 2054 Hydraulic block (actually the unit originally installed in the Touran), fitted my R32 4motion electronics module/motor and away it goes! Perfect - no blockage. It appears the right rear inlet valve was activated (to close, it's a normally open valve), and has jammed in the activated/closed position - not allowing fluid to get to the output.

The fluid pours out happily with the pressure bleeder attached and I ran the module basic setting to bleed the hydraulic unit.

YAY!
 
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good to hear you fixed it Allan. Now let's talk about that MK60EC1... :D
 
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good to hear you fixed it Allan. Now let's talk about that MK60EC1... :D
Hahaha... I'm still interested... but I really don't know if I can be bothered :-)
 
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