2014 SQ5 - Central Locking with Advance Key when Ignition is On

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Looking to find a way for the Advance Key to lock/unlock the doors when the ignition is on and motor running. I've attached an Auto-Scan and tried setting several bits in certain bytes high with no success. I also have a Controller Channel Map as well if that may help, I lack the experience so far to know how I can use it (if at all) to identify if I can even accomplish this.

Thank you!

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VCDS Version: Release 12.12.2 (x64)
Data version: 20140212

Friday,14,March,2014,13:36:01:28384

Chassis Type: FP (8R0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 36 3C 42 44 46 47 52 53 56 5F
          62 6C 6D 72 A9

VIN: WA1LGCFP6EA052470   Mileage: 5110km/3175miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CTUD)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 551 D    HW: 4G0 907 551 A
   Component: 3.0l V6 TFSIH07 0003  
   Revision: --H07---    
   Coding: 2A2A0034052600060000
   Shop #: WSC 06208 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TFS0218R0907551D 001004
   ROD: EV_ECM30TFS0218R0907551D.rod
   VCID: 3979F4B5B83772D69C9-806C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels: 0BK-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 927 158 AB    HW: 0BK 927 156 AM
   Component: 0BK 30TFSIUSA H16 1002  
   Revision: --H16---    
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 002022
   ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_AU48.rod
   VCID: 7DF120A5EC9F8EF6F01-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 379 AM    HW: 8R0 907 379 AM
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H09 0030  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 30150801
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 8B15FE7D2A2B30467E5-80DE

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 HP    HW: 8K0 907 064 GP
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H13 0641  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 0D854040000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 8501C8450C4F4636281-80D0

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E    HW: 8K0 905 852 E
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8K1 820 043 T    HW: 8K1 820 043 T
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0121  
   Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01121020130179
   Coding: 6601228000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3979F4B5B03772D69C9-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DJ    HW: 8K0 907 063 DJ
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H16 0103  
   Revision: 09016001    Serial number: 00000686766402
   Coding: 26000096863CAFE0010048C300003D0D0F9CC708A2090221000008004400010200040034000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7AFB2BB9F5B1B9CED53-802F

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R1 955 119 A    HW: 8R1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS416 131002  H11 0050 
   Coding: 01DD13

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B    HW: 8U0 955 559 B
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0002 
   Coding: 02005C

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4G0 907 410 A    HW: 4H0 907 410 A
   Component: USHL4.2  H30 0030 

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 3D0 941 329     HW: 3D0 941 329 
H05 0012 

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 3D0 941 329     HW: 3D0 941 329 
H05 0012 

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
   Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0003 

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8R0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 959 655 F    HW: 8R0 959 655 F
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H47 0610  
   Serial number: 003GPDB0GV6Z  
   Coding: 30373431343230303030554A304C38523053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416 002004
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416.rod
   VCID: 479D824DFEC314261AD-8012

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME7F55453AR

   Crash sensor for side airbag; passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME7F154F6A.

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME2437465CK

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME24373876I

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME7639056C4

   Crash sensor for front airbag; passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME6F3926569

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 Q    HW: 8K0 953 568 Q
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H03 0003  
   Revision: C0062331    Serial number: 90862MJG001CT 
   Coding: 000037
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 489F8171FBDD1B5E137-801D

   Component: E221 - MFL  H03 0004 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8R0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 920 931 D    HW: 8R0 920 931 D
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H35 0564  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: ZDS24DAAE     
   Coding: 8BA722000A010008020000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3663FF8981299DAE71B-8063

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 P    HW: 8R0 907 468 D
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN-M H11 0056  
   Revision: 1Z110028    Serial number: 2841Z1393000FE
   Coding: 80C103FF00
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4C97BD61EFA5F77E37F-8019

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 915 181     HW: 8R0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0141 

2 Faults Found:
02256 - Quiescent Current 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 9
                    Reset counter: 152
                    Mileage: 60 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.11.30
                    Time: 23:55:01

03041 - Energy Management Active 
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 172
                    Reset counter: 209
                    Mileage: 60 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.12.01
                    Time: 02:54:33

             Freeze Frame:
                    Bin. Bits:    00000
                    Voltage: 12.80 V
                    Count: 7


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8R0 959 760 D    HW: 8R0 959 760 B
   Component: MEM-FS        H07 0076  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000077802537
   Coding: 00581B00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 428B9359DDE1310ECD3-8017

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change (J769)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 566 B    HW: 8T0 907 566 B
   Component: SWA Master    H05 0071  
   Serial number: 0317325553
   Coding: 010211
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LaneChangAssis 001020
   ROD: EV_LaneChangAssis_AU48.rod
   VCID: 3F8D9AADA6135CE6A2D-806A

   Lane Change Assistant 2: 

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 R    HW: 8K0 959 793 P
   Component: TSG FA        H02 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000078504362 
   Coding: 011D13205E00440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4FADAA6D1EB3CC6652D-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8R0 909 144 F    HW: 8R0 909 144 B
   Component: RCEPS         H39 0507  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 0008931988
   Coding: 100000010000
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008014
   ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X.rod
   VCID: 3B75EEBDB20B40C68E5-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 HP    HW: 8K0 907 064 GP
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H13 0641  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0317421361    
   Coding: 0126063A20EA709584B0053200040000
   Shop #: WSC 06334 123 12345
   VCID: 8501C8450C4F4636281-80D0

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719 
   Component: GTO BF  H01 0080 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7N0 959 591 B    HW: 7N0 959 591 B
   Component: J245EE04SKB03  H03 0090 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 7N0 959 591 B    HW: 7N0 959 591 B
   Component: J394EE04SKB03  H03 0090 

1 Fault Found:
00194 - Ignition Key Removal Lock 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 210
                    Mileage: 5111 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.03.14
                    Time: 10:42:45


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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 223 A    HW: 8T1 035 223 A
   Component: DSP Prem      H05 0030  
   Revision: 00005001    Serial number: 94813021138103
   VCID: 2D51D0E5747FDE76001-8078

1 Fault Found:
03029 - Subwoofer (R157) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 168
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.30 V
                    Temperature: 17.0°C
                    Temperature: 17.0°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00000100


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 R    HW: 8K0 959 792 P
   Component: TSG BF        H02 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000078661302 
   Coding: 011D13205E00440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4E93B76919B9C56E59B-801B

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 M    HW: 8K0 907 801 J
   Component: EPB-4         H01 0004  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 20000000345817
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001028
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_AU48.rod
   VCID: 3979F4B5B83772D69C9-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G    HW: 4G0 035 082 
   Component: Radio U SIRIU H60 0133  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 156JJ0D7918989
   Coding: 020007010000000001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 244735C127B51F3EDFF-8071

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8R1 035 664 D    HW: 8R1 035 664 D
   Component: H-BN-NA       H40 0738  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 203JY0D7531581
   Coding: 1A020006020581EF55028B4E00000403F40000020000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 377DF28D862364A66AD-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 BD
   Component: NAR 2013/2014  0802 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604 A    HW: 8R0 919 604 A
   Component: DU7 High  H42 0104 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 611 L    HW: 8T0 919 611 C
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H02 0030 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 F
   Component: CD-Database  5298 

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 G    HW: 8K0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HL        H01 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000078669663 
   Coding: 010C13204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 46838F49F1C90D2EE1B-8013

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 441 A    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
   Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
   Revision: --H08---    Serial number: 525PA8-J37A9RE
   Coding: 1020010
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3467C58157558FBE4FF-8061

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8R0 827 851 B    HW: 8R0 827 851 B
   Component: J605  Master  H52 0330  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 8R0827851B    
   VCID: 3B75EEBDBA0B40C68E5-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 827 852 B    HW: 8R0 827 852 B
   Component: J756  Slave  H52 0330 

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 G    HW: 8K0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HR        H01 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000078669805 
   Coding: 010C13204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 46838F49F1C90D2EE1B-8013

No fault code found.

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Address A9: Struct. Borne Sound (J869)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 159 A    HW: 4H0 907 159 A
   Component: SAS-GEN 2     H06 0001  
   Serial number: 130909201267
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 003010
   ROD: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X.rod
   VCID: 3A7BEBB9BD3179CE953-806F

No fault code found.

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Hmm.. It may requires some research to find out if this is even possible at all.

-Uwe-

PS: I've often wondered why VW/Audi doesn't offer stand-alone fuel-burning heaters in North America; they do not Europe and Scandinavia, where they're rather popular. Basically, nobody on that side of the pond uses a running engine as a heater.
 
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Thanks Uwe! I also read your other post in my welcome thread regarding a section for Auto Scans which I can most certainly participate in. I really only work on new Audi/VW from 2013 and newer model years and have access to the full range of trims and models so it would compile a nice database. As far as engine heaters go I don't know a lot about them, but it is interesting to be sure!

Regards!
 
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Hi Dayne,

I managed to accomplish that on my 2012 Tiggy with a KESSY (no point in doing this on a car that needs a key to be in the ignition) but that is a pretty basic animal when compared to this vehicle.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/inde...K/52)_Tweaks#Alarm.2C_Locking_and_Coming_Home

Remote operation when engine is running only practical with KESSY

Found in Coding, "Remote Control with "Terminal 15 ON" inactive" would need to be disabled but this tweak would require the engine start button with KESSY.

Please note: VW/Audi have prevented alarm/locking activation with the door open and/or the ignition switched on to prevent the locking the vehicle with any of the keys inside it. This tweak will allow you to lock any spare or misplaced keys inside the vehicle!

We lost a key and found it much later in the center console so my Golf based Wiki notes are based on personal experience ;)

--

I don't know if that is even possible on this vehicle but you have 2 BCMs. 09-BCM1 which controls most of the lighting on the front of the car and then 46-BCM2 which is the backdoor to the 05-KESSY and controls most rear lighting and comfort functions. (all modern A4/A5/Q5 models are very similar)

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A4/S4/A5/S5_(8K/8T)_Tweaks

I would really discourage you from tinkering in the actual 05 module itself but looking at the BCM options for anything making reference to Terminal 15 ON and/or Remote Control would be worth a shot. If you manage to get that working please let us know!

-Dana
 
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Thank you Dana! Yes I have seen the tweak you mentioned on the Tiguan and that one has been huge for us in this industry since many customers love using their OEM remote to lock and unlock the doors when the car starter is running. It was one of the primary reasons I invested in VCDS!

Regarding the Audi, I took a short look at Address 9 and noticed that it most of the documented hex changes revolved around lighting. I took a quick peek at Address 5 as well but did not modify or tinker with any hex changes. I did spend a good amount of time in address 46 and set many bits on one at at a time to see if I could achieve the desired effect with no success. I did see one option "Comfort Control with Advance Key Terminal S active" which sounded like the correct one but it did work. My dealer informed Terminal S was only the vehicle sensing the presence of the Advance Key via proximity.

As a side note I am also trying to get two functions working on the 2007-2014 Q7 as well:
#1. Remote Control with Terminal 15 ON inactive
#2. Advance Key lock/unlock with ignition on.

Basically the same two tweaks!

Thanks again!!
 
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Thank you Dana! Yes I have seen the tweak you mentioned on the Tiguan and that one has been huge for us in this industry since many customers love using their OEM remote to lock and unlock the doors when the car starter is running. It was one of the primary reasons I invested in VCDS!

Regarding the Audi, I took a short look at Address 9 and noticed that it most of the documented hex changes revolved around lighting. I took a quick peek at Address 5 as well but did not modify or tinker with any hex changes. I did spend a good amount of time in address 46 and set many bits on one at at a time to see if I could achieve the desired effect with no success. I did see one option "Comfort Control with Advance Key Terminal S active" which sounded like the correct one but it did work. My dealer informed Terminal S was only the vehicle sensing the presence of the Advance Key via proximity.

As a side note I am also trying to get two functions working on the 2007-2014 Q7 as well:
#1. Remote Control with Terminal 15 ON inactive
#2. Advance Key lock/unlock with ignition on.

Basically the same two tweaks!

Thanks again!!

sorry to revive an old thread, but since this one haven't had an answer yet, I think I'm going to ask for a help too, or see if you found a solution?

It looks like Touareg 7P shares the same center conv. module with SQ5, probably they share plateform?

I'm also trying to enable lock while engine is running.

and in my module, I also have -
-central locking via Advance Key (Terminal S ON) Active
-Remote Control/KESSY Locking permitted while NOT in (P)ark

I've tried every possible combination of these two without any luck.

any help would be appreciated!
 
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Locking while engine running?

Did you ever get the locking while running figured out for your Audi? I want to do it for my Touareg and there is no information.

Looking all over to check "Remote Control with "Terminal 15 ON" inactive" and found only what you have found...
 
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The only way I can do it on my 2012 Touareg TDI is to pop the cover off the door handle and manually lock the vehicle with the engine running. There has to be a way similar to the other VWs by checking bit 2 Byte 4 in Central Electronics to turn off terminal 15 so the remote control will work like the manual locking...
 
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