Touran 1.6TDI CRKB DSG, gear selector problems

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Having some problems with DSG gear selector. While driving, car has few times shown error on instrument panel, stating that one must put gear on Park before leaving car, or something like that.

Module 16 showing:
617752 - Selector Lever Park Position Lock Switch
B1162 29 [024] - Signal Implausible

Full scan below. Question is, is this gear selector mechanism under component protection? Can it be changed by anyone or must we take it to dealer?

And by looking at various part catalogs, is it really so that one can not simply buy selector, do we really have to get selector cable and base too?

Code:
Wednesday,29,August,2018,18:09:23:26429
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.2  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVGZZZ1TZGW523621   License Plate: 
Mileage: 153897km-95627mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1T-VW37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 13 15 16 17 18 19 42 44 52 55 5F 6D BB BC
         

VIN: WVGZZZ1TZGW523621   Mileage: 153897km-95627miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
BB-Door Rear Drv -- Status: OK 0000
BC-Door Rear Pass -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CRKB)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 026 C    HW: 04L 907 309 M
   Component: R4 1,6L EDC   H23 1760  
   Revision: B4H23---    
   Coding: 0125003A03641D092000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI01104L906026C 001003
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI01104L906026C_001.rod
   VCID: 2A0DFF6ACC795A870F3-807E

1 Fault Found:
5456 - Starter Will Not Turn 
          P3054 00 [109] - Jammed or Electrical Malfunction
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 151597 km
                    Date: 2018.08.17
                    Time: 09:06:47

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 22 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 23 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1010 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.500 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Starter control: terminal 50 acknowledgment-Bits 0-7: 32
                    Status of starter activation relay-Bits 0-7: 3
                    Starter control: release conditions-Bits 0-7: 98
                    Starter control: release conditions-Bits 0-7: 90
                    Starter control: shut-off conditions 1-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Starter control: shut-off conditions 1-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Number of manual engine starts-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Number of manual engine starts-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Number of manual engine starts-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Number of manual engine starts-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Number of automatic engine starts-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Number of automatic engine starts-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Number of automatic engine starts-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Number of automatic engine starts-Bits 0-7: 0

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0CW-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0CW 300 048 N    HW: 0AM 927 769 E
   Component: GSG DQ200G2_M H05 0610  
   Revision: 00005005    Serial number: CU501510245412
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ200021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ200021_VW27.rod
   VCID: 47CBA6DE7F2B87EFF0D-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 379 AB    HW: 3Q0 907 379 G
   Component: ESC           H42 0723  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 62855000001772
   Coding: 0CEA6AA034228B6F077D060241C42930562CD1E0608294F53842F078C202
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 034036
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_034.rod
   VCID: 7AAD0F2A7C592A073F3-802E

1 Fault Found:
16401 - Tire Pressure Warning 
          C102D 00 [008] -  - 
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 72
                    Mileage: 151524 km
                    Date: 2018.08.16
                    Time: 12:57:35


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 907 044 BH    HW: 5G0 907 044 BH
   Component: Climatronic   H04 1202  
   Revision: 00001K10    
   Coding: 08020104200101011005100000101002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 005137
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_005_VW37.rod
   VCID: 6E85337A301176A793B-803A

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Refrigerant Pressure And Temperature Sender: 

   Air quality sensor: 

1 Fault Found:
1048838 - Functional Limitation due to Energy Management 
          B10CD 00 [008] -  - 
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 96
                    Mileage: 153280 km
                    Date: 2018.08.28
                    Time: 11:19:22

                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.5 V
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Transport mode: On
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Static current measuring mode: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Windshield wiper: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Energy management deactivation stage: Deactivation stage 1
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Wipe wash: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Rear window heater actual value: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Back-up light: OFF
                    CAN input signal(s) status-Actual value of windshield heater: OFF


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 086 AK    HW: 5Q0 937 086 AK
   Component: BCM PQ37BOSCH 028 0162  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 86580710151236
   Coding: 00001C46C24112FB53C44008001C17081480000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BodyContrModul1UDSBosc 015002
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_015.rod
   VCID: 035372CE0B936BCF6C5-8056

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5TB 955 119 A    HW: 5TB 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS    150828  043 0608 
   Serial number:         150910093553
   Coding: 0E4DDD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 A    HW: 5Q0 955 547 A  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLHS  037 0059 
   Serial number: S2Y15M11D04H10M29S08
   Coding: 90A8DD

   Relative Air Humidity Interior Sender: 

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-298.clb
   Part No SW: 5QA 919 298     HW: 5Q0 919 298 C
   Component: PLA 3.0 12KH08 0161  
   Serial number: 000305183615297
   Coding: 0271061851
   Shop #: WSC 53826 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA2CAU3700000 009017
   ROD: EV_EPHVA2CAU3700000_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 0D4754F65DD72DBF0A1-8058

No fault code found.

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-572.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 572 B    HW: 3Q0 907 572 B
   Component: ACC BOSCH MQB H04 0192  
   Coding: 3200670351FFC428949C804D
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCBOSCHVW48X 001008
   ROD: EV_ACCBOSCHVW48X.rod
   VCID: 3431E1121EBD1C77A5F-8060

2 Faults Found:
0836 - Databus 
          U1123 00 [008] - Received Error Message
          [FAULT_PREDICTIVE_ROUTEDATA_SIGNALERROR_RECEIVED]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 99
                    Mileage: 151640 km
                    Date: 2018.08.17
                    Time: 11:11:09

                    Control Module temperature: 35 °C
                    Voltage terminal 15: 10.1 V
                    Velocity_vehicle_reference: 0.00 m/s
                    Longitudinal_acceleration_vehicle_reference: 0.00 m/s²
                    Status_ACC_System: ACC_StandBy

1389 - Function Restricted due to Insufficient Voltage 
          U1400 00 [008] - -
          [FAULT_VBAT_BUSMON_LOW]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 96
                    Mileage: 151697 km
                    Date: 2018.08.20
                    Time: 07:13:03

                    Control Module temperature: 14 °C
                    Voltage terminal 15: 10.3 V
                    Velocity_vehicle_reference: 0.00 m/s
                    Longitudinal_acceleration_vehicle_reference: 0.00 m/s²
                    Status_ACC_System: ACC_Off_MainSwitch_Off


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 AE    HW: 5Q0 959 655 AE
   Component: AirbagVW21    005 0130  
   Serial number: 003NSR16KDYQ
   Coding: 98CCC0C00C0000005C5450CF004800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002146
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 035372CE0B936BCF6C5-8056

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 110 15
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35700000000F25BCA61Y
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 110 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35800000000C36BCA61Y
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 411 910 15
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  003 0189 
   Serial number: 351001A011B3A5B22FE9
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 411 910 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  003 0189 
   Serial number: 352001A011BBAA538D19
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 010 15
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3550002BD1D25F82A2FQ
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Driver: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 010 15
   Component: PedP_Sensor_D  001 6149 
   Serial number: 2280002BD1D25F80918E
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Passenger: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 010 15
   Component: PedP_Sensor_P  001 6149 
   Serial number: 2290002BF1D25F80D1AN
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Center: 
   Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 010 15
   Component: PedP_Sensor_C  001 6149 
   Serial number: 2300002BD1D25F8521EB
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Driver 2: 
   Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 210 15
   Component: PedPSensor_D2  001 0887 
   Serial number: I0M000000009B39DC61I
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Pedestrian Protection Passenger 2: 
   Subsystem 10 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 210 15
   Component: PedPSensor_P2  001 0887 
   Serial number: I0N000000000939DC618
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 GH    HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
   Component: Lenks. Modul  003 0120  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 20101504220505
   Coding: 0410
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 020001
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_VW37.rod
   VCID: 025D77CA148962C7673-8056

1 Fault Found:
617752 - Selector Lever Park Position Lock Switch 
          B1162 29 [024] - Signal Implausible
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Not Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 6
                    Reset counter: 83
                    Mileage: 151779 km
                    Date: 2018.08.20
                    Time: 12:14:57

                    Operating time: 178499 min
                    Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 14.7 V
                    Vehicle speed: 50 km/h
                    Voltage at switch: 4.98 V
                    Terminal 15 status: active
                    System status: 30


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5TA 920 741     HW: 5TA 920 741 
   Component: KOMBI         208 6421  
   Coding: 07A401082F80000801886B011401000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009046
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 015F78C6118F79DF7E9-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 18: Aux. Heat (J364)       Labels:| 5Q0-963-272.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 963 272 E    HW: 5Q0 963 272 E
   Component: STH-MQB       007 0072  
   Coding: 9329
   Shop #: WSC 53826 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AuxilParkiHeateWOS 002018
   ROD: EV_AuxilParkiHeateWOS.rod
   VCID: 3829D52202D5F817897-806C

   Remote Control Auxiliary Heater: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 963 513 A    HW: 5Q0 963 513 A
   Component: R149 T91-LIN  003 0301 
   Serial number: 00000000000001212901

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 AF    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
   Component: GW MQB High   128 1224  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0004060768
   Coding: 030100041F087300FB00025A1C0F00010001050000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 013020
   ROD: EV_GatewLear_013_VW37.rod
   VCID: 75B71C165547457F521-8020

   Alternator: 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5TA 959 442 B    HW: 5TA 959 442 B  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H06 0023 
   Serial number: 2881501165200141AT2B
   Coding: 2C0000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5QA 915 181 B    HW: 5QA 915 181 B
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H10 9052 
   Serial number: 8216058103          

1 Fault Found:
8531970 - Quiescent Current 
          U1406 00 [008] - Too High
          [Ruhestrom oberer Grenzwert überschritten]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 12
                    Reset counter: 97
                    Mileage: 151597 km
                    Date: 2018.08.16
                    Time: 18:24:54

                    Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 12.2 V
                    Terminal 15: OFF


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 593 E    HW: 5Q0 959 593 B
   Component: TSG FS        020 0041  
   Serial number: 260715BGO18443
   Coding: 003083208000040000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 43D3B2CE4B13ABCF2C5-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-143.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 143 K    HW: 5Q0 909 143 E
   Component: MQB_PP_APA    204 2033  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 0000466451
   Coding: 01010010005000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisVWBSMQBA 008027
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisVWBSMQBA_008_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3B23CA2E33E3D30F645-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 392 E    HW: 5Q0 959 392 B
   Component: TSG BFS       020 0041  
   Serial number: 040815BH114604
   Coding: 003081208000040000801000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 40D9BDC25A05B0D7317-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels:| 7P6-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 907 357 E    HW: 7P6 907 357 A
   Component: AFS-ECU       H07 0051  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 078A02100B200001
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulAFSMQBMAX 001001
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulAFSMQBMAX_VW37.rod
   VCID: 41DFB8C6510FB9DF3E9-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 035 846     HW: 3Q0 035 846 
   Component: MU-S-N-ER     820 0624  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 02730801FF00000051110001000808001F0100C401200100CF
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CDELP 001001
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CDELP_VW27.rod
   VCID: 6E85337A301176A793B-803A

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3G0 919 605 D    HW: 3G0 919 605 D
   Component: ABT_Std-2_Nav  H43 4064 
   Serial number: VWZ6Z9R3002276      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 3G0 919 866 H    HW: -----------
   Component: ECE 2015/16  --- 0430 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-107.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 107 G    HW: 5Q0 959 107 G
   Component: HDSG-Modul    H12 0250  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 30293277900000
   Coding: 0300
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DeckLidCONTIAU736 001011
   ROD: EV_DeckLidCONTIAU736_VW27.rod
   VCID: 3C21C93236EDD4376DF-8068

No fault code found.

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Address BB: Door Rear Drv (J388)       Labels:* None
   Part No HW: 5Q0 959 595 B
   Component: TSG HFS       020 0041  
   Serial number: 021015BJ117232
   Coding: 002081200000048000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearDriveMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCURearDriveMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 55F77C96B587257F721-8000

No fault code found.

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Address BC: Door Rear Pass (J389)       Labels:* None
   Part No: 5Q0 959 595 E
   Component: TSG HBFS      020 00410041  
   Serial number: 021015BJ114705
   Coding: 002081200000048000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearPasseMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCURearPasseMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 45D7ACD6452795FF021-8010

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 03:20, VBatt start/end: 12.0V/12.0V)-----------
 
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Moi! Thanks for the Auto-Scan! :thumbs:

Vehicle Identification No. WVGZZZ1TZGW523621
Model Touran 1,6 BlueMotion
Technology
TOU
Date of production 12.11.2015
Year 2016
Sales type 5T133Z
Engine Code CRKB
Transmission Code REV
I am not aware of the Gear Selector (E313) being an item that has Component Protection. The actual item that I suspect is bad, a "Selector lever locked in position P switch" (F319) doesn't seem to be listed as a separate item. But the base Gear Selector can be purchased separately from the cable, look at part number 5Q1-713-059-K.

Question... what is up with Finland having soooo many street signs... but only 9 stop signs in the entire country? Is there a sign mafia or something?
 
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But the base Gear Selector can be purchased separately from the cable, look at part number 5Q1-713-059-K.

Question... what is up with Finland having soooo many street signs... but only 9 stop signs in the entire country? Is there a sign mafia or something?
Thanks! We'll start searching for that part, seems to drop the price a little bit when the cable and baseplate are not included. :thumbs:

Looks like the same part is also used in some other models, that also makes it easier to maybe find a used part.

About the street signs, I do not know why there are so many. But the reason for so few stop signs is simple, we love yield signs in here so we dropped those to every intersection and then some more. So there is no more room left for stop signs. :D
 
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I'm a little confused now... when searching with 5Q1-713-059-K I get numerous hits of used parts, but they have different numbers in selector module itself.

And now when we took apart the car in question, we see that selector module is 5QB-713-023-B. And we also took apart a newer but quite similar Touran, which has module number 5QB-713-023-G. Am I correct that it is basically same part, but newer revision?

When we replace the part, does it have to be same exact revision?

And we could get our hands on one that is from Passat and marked 3QB-713-023-B. So otherwise same, but first number is different. I assume that this doesn't fit to Touran? Or what about module from Caddy, 1QB-713-023-B?
 
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Groan... VWs part numbering system appears to have no sensible logic to it....

A suffix letter can mean absolutely anything. Could be a revision, could be a non-compatible part. You need to find a compatibility list somewhere, or the same number. Usually "X" on the end means a rebuilt/exchange part though...

Actually, even the same number for some parts isn't good enough - you have to use the correct "colour code", which may be for a different colour, but may also be for a different software, or option type etc.

Chances are, the module from "a very similar" car will work fine.... but it pays to check first... before the smoke gets out!

TL;DR

VWs part number system is dumb.
 
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You need to find a compatibility list somewhere
Yeah, that's the funny part since all parts search engines I can find, do not recognize these parts at all.

5Q1-713-059-K is known part number, but when browsing through ebay listings I found out that it can contain almost any gear selector. :banghead:
 
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5Q1-713-059-K is known part number, but when browsing through ebay listings I found out that it can contain almost any gear selector. :banghead:
That means it's probably incomplete without an "index" or "color code" suffix.

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So in order to get the right part, I would need the missing suffix. Which I do not know, nor do any used part sellers list. :facepalm:

Yeah, I'm also starting to dislike VAG part numbering system. So it's up to buying a new part from dealer (€€€) or finding used part which also has the right part number for selector itself, since they are all listed under this generic number which is not enough.
 
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So in order to get the right part, I would need the missing suffix. Which I do not know, nor do any used part sellers list. :facepalm:

Yeah, I'm also starting to dislike VAG part numbering system. So it's up to buying a new part from dealer (€€€) or finding used part which also has the right part number for selector itself, since they are all listed under this generic number which is not enough.
There are several people here who might be able to look it up for you by VIN on one of the official parts catalog sites, for example:
https://www.partslink24.com

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Yep, you are looking for something like this:

Maybe in section 713-010.

Also, the mechanical bits of a gear selector are not going to be visible once installed, so there won't be any index code. Interior trim pieces that are visible can have index codes, such as the handle at the top of the gear selector, example:



HQE is to say that gear selector is made from purple velvet with metal studs along the base.... or maybe just plain beige... but it is so you get an item that matches the interior.
 
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Yep, you are looking for something like this:
Yes, I understood that part number would be 5Q1-713-059-K.

But what confuses me, is that when I search for example Ebay for used part with that number, I get a lot of hits. But when looking closer to listings, if they have pictures of gear selector, the selector itself has various numbers that differ.

And this car that we have and needs a new selector... as said we took it apart and gear selector has part number 5QB-713-023-B. What is this number? Definitely not the same as parts list picture above.

I'm guessing that if I buy any part that is listed as number 5Q1-713-059-K, it will not fit if the selector itself has different number than original.

But luckily, we are now waiting for dealer to respond what it would cost if they repair the car. It seems that it just MIGHT be that the cost would be reasonable, as they would pay some part of it, because the car is just 2,5 years old and definitely should not break yet...
 
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5Q1-713-059-K is a replacement part number. It is very possible it was not a part number used during manufacturing. I've seen many cases were factory installed part numbers are unique to the manufacturing process and if you give that number to the VW/Audi dealer to order, you'd get the replacement part number.

When I search for part number 5QB-713-023-B, the only thing I turn up are used gear selectors, I don't find it referenced in any documentation I have available to me. It is possible that 5QB-713-023-B is an assembly of items (gear selector, cable, electronics, brackets, ect) and is factory only. When you go to order replacements, instead of a bulk of pre-assembled item, you are just ordering bits and pieces.

Just to add to the fun and games... and FYI... looks like there are 6 different mechanical cable part numbers to pick from based on date of production. :banghead:

Go to your VW dealer, have them run the VIN and look at page 713-010, you will see item 3 is the 5Q1-713-059-K part number. If you go with some used option, strip it down to the bare selector and swap other parts back over.
 
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Dealer finally came through with an answer, they will charge only for the new part and do the changing work for free. So no point of trying to find a used part any more, even if it would be little cheaper since then we would have to change it too... We do put some price tag for our free time.

Thanks anyway for all who tried to help with this! Learned something new about VAG part numbering...
 
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What part number are they going with?
 
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Yeah, well I'd be asking questions about why the mech unit for that car changed so many times and is there an extended warranty on that too or service action/campaign & since it possibly illuminated the MIL?

Here cars/light trucks get a useful life warranty of 120 to 150K or 10-15 years & depending on the certification type if a SMOG related factor, right?

Do you get a DTC in OBD2 mode?

Here if it lights an MIL, right, it is under that aforementioned warranty regardless of power-train warranty that is stipulated with sale?

OP: would you please post your Mode 9 data?

P3054 19510 - Starter Will Not Turn: Jammed or Electrical Malfunction

Possible Symptoms


  • MIL On
  • Engine will not crank over
Possible Causes


  • Failed stater
  • Wiring harness issue
  • Faulty park or multi function switch
Possible Solutions
 
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What part number are they going with?
No idea, maybe we will see after they have done it, from paperwork.
 
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Yeah, well I'd be asking questions about why the mech unit for that car changed so many times and is there an extended warranty on that too or service action/campaign & since it possibly illuminated the MIL?
I have no idea what you mean by "why the mech unit for that car changed so many times"?

That "starter will not turn" can be ignored, it has something to do with alcolock. If you turn the key to start but forget to do the alcotest first, it gives this. This vehicle is used (among other things) to transport children to school and therefore it's mandatory to have alcolock here in Finland.

It does not light MIL nor does it do any other harm, it just is there.
 
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