2018 Sportwagen Comforline Sign Recognition Coding

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I'm trying to get Sign Recognition working on our 2018 Sportwagen Comfortline with DAP. I followed the following steps:

Select Control unit 5F (Information Electrical)
Adaptation
Select Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2 traffic_sign_recognition_0x21
Değer=Active
Select Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu menu_display_road_sign_identification
Değer=Active

Go to Long Coding
Byte 24, Activate Bit 6

Control unit A5 (front / advance camera)
Security access
Access Code 20103
Control unit Long Coding
Byte 16, Activate Bit 4

Select Control unit 17 (Dashboard)
Control unit Long Coding
Byte 5
Activate Bit 2

Control unit A5 (front / advance camera)
Adaptation
Road Sign Detection Fusion Mode
Change to ‘Road Sign Detection’

Reboot Infotainment​

Sign Recognition isn't working.

I get no faults with the original coding for Module 5F is:
02731200FF00000051220001001828001F0500D40120050002

I get faults when I code 5F to:
02731200FF00400051220001001828001F0500D40120050002


Sunday,19,August,2018,11:43:10:04451
VCDS Version Release 18.2.1 (x64) Running on Windows 10 x64(VirtualBox)
www.Ross-Tech.com

Address 5F: Information Electr. Labels: 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
Control Module Part Number: 3Q0 035 844 B HW: 3Q0 035 844 B
Component and/or Version: MU-S-S-US 721 0842
Software Coding: 02731200FF00400051220001001828001F0500D40120050002
Work Shop Code: WSC 00066 790 00073
ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CDELP 001001 (VW37)
ROD: EV_MUStd4CDELP_VW27.rod
VCID: 2E0606D900965347D38-807B
Fault Codes have been Erased

1 Fault Found:
1543 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
U1014 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 137
Mileage: 7870 km
Date: 2018.08.19
Time: 12:42:28

Voltage terminal 30: 14.0 V
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_0_condition: OK
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_1_condition: OK
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_10_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_11_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_12_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_13_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_14_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_15_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_16_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_17_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_18_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_19_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_2_condition: OK
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_20_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_21_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_22_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_23_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_24_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_25_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_26_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_27_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_3_condition: OK
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_4_condition: OK
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_5_condition: OK
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_6_condition: ERROR
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_7_condition: OK
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_8_condition: OK
Byte_Coding_Condition-byte_9_condition: OK

There are no other faults. I'm using VCDS 18.2.1. Should I try a different version?
 
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Address 5F: Information Electr. Labels: 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
Control Module Part Number: 3Q0 035 844 B HW: 3Q0 035 844 B
Component and/or Version: MU-S-S-US 721 0842
Software Coding: 02731200FF00400051220001001828001F0500D40120050002
is radio or Satnav ?
 
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Why are you changing byte 6 in 5F?
That's part of the speaker config.
You should leave that alone...

I think you are meaning to change byte 24 (the very last byte in your 5F coding string) from 02 to 42. This will enable traffic sign display (VZE).

So your 5F coding should be:
02731200FF00000051220001001828001F0500D40120050042
 
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^^^^ just to add to my fellow countryman's sage advice- here's a more readable form of the code-strings on your hex5F module:

Code:
Name	old code-string		new code-string	
Byte	Hex	Binary	        Hex	Binary
0	02	00000010	02	00000010
1	73	01110011	73	01110011
2	12	00010010	12	00010010
3	00	00000000	00	00000000
4	FF	11111111	FF	11111111
5	00	00000000	00	00000000
6	00	00000000	40	01000000
7	00	00000000	00	00000000
8	51	01010001	51	01010001
9	22	00100010	22	00100010
10	00	00000000	00	00000000
11	01	00000001	01	00000001
12	00	00000000	00	00000000
13	18	00011000	18	00011000
14	28	00101000	28	00101000
15	00	00000000	00	00000000
16	1F	00011111	1F	00011111
17	05	00000101	05	00000101
18	00	00000000	00	00000000
19	D4	11010100	D4	11010100
20	01	00000001	01	00000001
21	20	00100000	20	00100000
22	05	00000101	05	00000101
23	00	00000000	00	00000000
24	02	00000010	02	00000010
Note Byte 6, bit 6 has been altered instead of Byte 24, Bit 6

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Okay...

1) one channel is missing in 5F:
Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_treshold_high

2) return to "Fusion" in your A5 adp channel
Where did you read to change that????

3) leave the 5F coding original, not necessary

Follow these steps, ignition off, ignition on, restart DAP, delete all DTCs.

Report back.

And please deliver a full Auto-Scan!!
 
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I don't have NAV. It's just a radio.
 
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Okay...

1) one channel is missing in 5F:
Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_treshold_high

2) return to "Fusion" in your A5 adp channel
Where did you read to change that????

3) leave the 5F coding original, not necessary

Follow these steps, ignition off, ignition on, restart DAP, delete all DTCs.

Report back.

And please deliver a full Auto-Scan!!

Here is the autoscan https://drive.google.com/file/d/14vMZLT3ggHkYl7jrs6Q40b2_7xfacVkE/view?usp=sharing
 
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I don't have NAV. It's just a radio.
Not sure if TSR works without nav. Even though it reads signs with the camera, nav data is extensively used as a redundancy.
 
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Why are you changing byte 6 in 5F?
That's part of the speaker config.
You should leave that alone...

I think you are meaning to change byte 24 (the very last byte in your 5F coding string) from 02 to 42. This will enable traffic sign display (VZE).

So your 5F coding should be:
02731200FF00000051220001001828001F0500D40120050042
I updated VCDS and the coding is now 02731200FF00000051220001001828001F0500D40120050042. I used the long coding to to generate 02731200FF00000051220001001828001F0500D40120050042.

Here is the latest autoscan
https://drive.google.com/open?id=19AEW3STlZrz0gwrJXS1fDpWVuTGyUni2
 
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I have TSR working with a Composition Media, no navigation. it works but it will generate a warning on the cluster, something like "TSR currently restricted". it only happens once per ignition cycle.

my autoscan/admaps are in the non-broken section.
 
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Important caveat - I'm certainly not an expert in TSR. But purely from my reading from other web pages, I believe that the function does operate with information from both the camera and SATNAV. But as I have read (and I can't remember where I read this), TSR can be used in vehicles that don't have SATNAV fitted

From the notes that I have written (from somewhere - apology for not providing attribution), I understand that there are 3 x options for the channel IDE04733-Road sign detection fusion mode in the hexA5 module

  1. Electric Horizon - TSR only uses navigation data
  2. Sign recognition - TSR only uses camera data. This means that TSR only detects actual road signs that have compatible official protocols such as size, shape etc. This also means that detected information (i.e. speed limits) is retained until a new "compatible" road sign is detected. So if non-compatible road signs are used by the authorities in the journey -and they are not detected- the TSR limit displayed will be incorrect
  3. Fusion - as the name suggests, this is a combination of (1) and (2) above: TSR uses (mystic) algorithms to decide what traffic sign data is used and the limit that is displayed is the result of these algorithms. This is the default setting where TSR is factory fitted.

So- if SATNAV is missing in OP's car- perhaps try option (2) above

Don

PS: Should "TSR" be included in the forum lexicon?
 
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yes, and I am using option 2, so the displayed speed limit is often wrong.
 
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^^^ OOps - my bad. I didn't mean to steal your thunder! Just hadn't understood that these options were discussed

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Fusion - as the name suggests, this is a combination of (1) and (2) above: TSR uses (mystic) algorithms to decide what traffic sign data is used and the limit that is displayed is the result of these algorithms. This is the default setting where TSR is factory fitted.
I think fusion mode mainly uses navigation PSD to do an extra plausibility check on the signs and speed limits it sees.

The following is a bad automated translation of the VZE chapter of a really fascinating document I recently came across.

Traffic sign recognition - Traffic sign recognition (VZE) Gen.1

Functional description
A multifunctional camera captures the environment in front of the car. The individual video images are transferred to the image processing module traffic sign recognition (VZE) of the multifunction camera, which examines the image material for known traffic signs. Speed ​​limits and overtaking bans including additional signs as well as the associated suspensions are evaluated. In addition, predictive route data (PSD) is provided by an interface from the navigation system. These serve to support all calculations which are necessary for the determination or filtering of the information relevant for the function. These include current speed limits and events that may occur as the journey progresses.

If the camera detects a traffic sign, it is checked for plausibility, relevance and validity (conditional traffic signs) using the predictive route data. If the test is positive, the recognized traffic sign is displayed in the instrument cluster for the duration of its validity. It is also possible to process and output only the predictive route data. On the basis of navigation data alone, for example, location limits can be determined and the valid administrative bids for inner cities (in Germany 50 km / h) and out-of-town destinations (in Germany 100 km / h) determined and output. Speed ​​limits and overtaking bans including additional signs as well as the associated suspensions are evaluated.

A warning when exceeding the permissible maximum speed does not occur.

In the head unit trailer operation can be activated or deactivated. An automatic recognition of a trailer via CAN does not take place.

If a traffic sign can not be correctly recognized, for example due to contamination, but classified correctly, the PSD data is used and, if the class matches, the traffic sign of the PSD data is displayed in the instrument cluster and additionally in the head unit. If a traffic sign is detected by the camera, which is not scope of the PSD data (for example by outdated route data or due to a signposted construction site, etc.), this will be plausibility checked and checked on the basis of the current situation evaluation and the driver in the station wagon if the result is positive output.

Driver information
The recognized traffic sign is displayed for the duration of its validity as a graphic traffic sign in the instrument cluster and additionally in the head unit.

Operation
Traffic sign recognition Traffic sign recognition can be activated or deactivated via the FAS combination menu or the "Assistant" setting menu in the head unit.
 
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Sign recognition - TSR only uses camera data. This means that TSR only detects actual road signs that have compatible official protocols such as size, shape etc. This also means that detected information (i.e. speed limits) is retained until a new "compatible" road sign is detected. So if non-compatible road signs are used by the authorities in the journey -and they are not detected- the TSR limit displayed will be incorrect
I read something similar on vwvortex on the Golf R TSR thread. They were saying that the North American map data isn't accurate. After reading that, I thought I would try again. I'm missing something still. It's not working yet. I just need to find some time and keep plugging away at it.
 
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