Greetings from Calgary, AB Q: Q5 TDI

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Jumping into the deep end with the documentation on my new HEX-V2, but running up against a time crunch with my 2015' Audi Q5 TDI. I have a scheduled maintenance apt this Friday, and one of the goals with the V2 is to "snap-shot" the factory firmware loaded on the ecu prior to the service appointment. I fear the dealer may accidentally or inadvertently flash the ecu with the diesel "emissions fix" with all its negative consequences. My thought is to have a "before" and "after" snap-shot of the code loaded such that I can compare and determine if there's been any unauthorized modifications to the fw. I have archived a copy of the factory fw as a precaution should it be inadvertently over-written, however I'll need hard evidence to prove to the dealer should it ever come to that.
Is there a function or procedure that can be suggested which would give me the necessary data? Something as simple as identifying a code release, or as targeted as identifying code changes specific to the emission system? Looking for any/all options that will get me what I need prior to my Friday visit.
Looking forward to exploring the vast features of VCDS and its application to the 3.0L TDI.
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Very easy. Run and save an Auto-Scan as described in this thread. That will get you the software part numbers and versions for all your control modules, not just the ECU.

Feel free to post the scan here for posterity as well.

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Very easy. Run and save an Auto-Scan as described in this thread. That will get you the software part numbers and versions for all your control modules, not just the ECU.

Feel free to post the scan here for posterity as well.

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Uwe, thank you sir! I was planning on trying that after digging into the documentation last night. It looked like it would suffice but being I've just scratched the surface of this incredible tool, thought best to see if there were other tools in the chest, so to speak.
Thanks for your quick reply. Be happy to post the output.

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Seems like it might be a good idea to download and install the beta to ensure I detect any unauthorized "messing about" with the factory code?
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?12843-2013-Q7-TDI-Post-Emission-Fix-Unknown-Error-Code

Here's the current scan (pre-dealer visit)
Code:
Sunday,22,July,2018,14:17:20:24426
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.5 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN:    License Plate: 
Mileage: 26110km-16224mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: FP-AU48 (8R0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 2E 36 3C 42 44 46 47 52 53 56
          62 6D 72 77 AC

VIN:    Mileage: 26110km-16224miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
AC-Reductant Control -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CPNB)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K5 907 401 S    HW: 4G0 907 401 E
   Component: 3.0TDI EDC17  H14 0001  
   Revision: 58H14---    
   Coding: 2A2A4012052603050000
   Shop #: WSC 06208 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0118K5907401S 001003
   ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0118K5907401S.rod
   VCID: 40D9BCF33A0635A7314-8014

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0BK-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 927 158 Q    HW: 0BK 927 156 AM
   Component: 0BK 30 TDIUSA H18 1003  
   Revision: --H18---    
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 002022
   ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_002_AU48.rod
   VCID: 4BC39BDF0340E6FFD46-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8R0-907-379-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 379 AS    HW: 8R0 907 379 AS
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 23150C03
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 117F49B7216C8C2FEEA-8044

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 JP    HW: 8K0 907 064 JP
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H14 0650  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 0DA54040000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 074B67EF5F28C29F30E-8052

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 754 B    HW: 8K0 959 754 B
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H71 0083 
   Serial number: 0514000104452009    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E    HW: 8K0 905 852 E
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 
   Serial number: 0214000131122016    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8K1 820 043 AQ    HW: 8K1 820 043 AQ
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0123  
   Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01240720140199
   Coding: 3621228080
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 77AB172F2FC8B21F40E-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DJ    HW: 8K0 907 063 DJ
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H16 0103  
   Revision: 09016001    Serial number: 00000858605801
   Coding: 26000096863CAFE00100488300003D0D0F1CC70826090221000008004400010200040020000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7AAD0E1B1CDAAF773F0-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R1 955 119 A    HW: 8R1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS416 140709  H12 0050 
   Serial number: 90243014140703110713
   Coding: 01DD13

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0002 
   Serial number: 22923509            
   Coding: 02005C

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
   Serial number: 00000000001707141695

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4G0 907 410 A    HW: 4H0 907 410 A
   Component: USHL4.2  H30 0030 
   Serial number: 0000002274555R915603

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 3D0 941 329     HW: 3D0 941 329 
H05 0012 

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 3D0 941 329     HW: 3D0 941 329 
H05 0012 

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
   Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0003 
   Serial number: 59190C37000000000001

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 R    HW: 8K0 959 655 R
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H51 0812  
   Serial number: 003NED12B4VG  
   Coding: 30373431343238313230554A304C38523053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003114
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
   VCID: 4CC198C3064EE1C7DDC-8018

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME477C2A70M

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME4829717AM

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME5F431170D

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME3343484AH

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME7142485A/

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME3643455A/

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 Q    HW: 8K0 953 568 Q
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H03 0003  
   Revision: C0062331    Serial number: 90862NGP000WH 
   Coding: 000017
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 48C9A4D312B60DE7F94-801C

   Component: E221 - MFL  H03 0004 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8R0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 920 930 T    HW: 8R0 920 930 T
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H35 0564  
   Revision: 00200000    Serial number: ZD446AN7F     
   Coding: 8B8622000A010008020000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 45D7ADE725A4108F022-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 M    HW: 8R0 907 468 B
   Component: GW-BEM 6CAN   H11 0060  
   Revision: 1X120029    Serial number: 2941X1431101AA
   Coding: 80CF07FF00
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 49CFA1D709BCF4EFE6A-801C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 915 181 C    HW: 8R0 915 181 C
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H07 8043 
   Serial number: 2888603903          

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663     HW: 8K0 959 663 
   Component: J532_DCDCStab  H17 0042 
   Serial number: 14204001547021200181

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (R199)       Labels:. 8T0-035-785.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 785 A    HW: 8T0 035 785 
   Component: SG ext.Player H08 0290  
   Revision: 00000000    
   Coding: 020302
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 392FD117595C646F76A-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8R0 959 760 D    HW: 8R0 959 760 B
   Component: MEM-FS        H07 0077  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000109887833
   Coding: 01581B00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 42DDB6FB348A27B7270-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change (J769)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-566.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 566 B    HW: 8T0 907 566 B
   Component: SWA Master    H05 0071  
   Serial number: 0338316002
   Coding: 010211
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LaneChangAssis 001020
   ROD: EV_LaneChangAssis_AU21.rod
   VCID: 3FDBBF0F47F84A5F48E-806A

   Lane Change Assistant 2: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 907 568 B    HW: 8T0 907 568 B
   Component: SWA Slave  H05 0071 
   Serial number: 0340367285          
   Coding: 010211

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 R    HW: 8K0 959 793 P
   Component: TSG FA        H02 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000110105586 
   Coding: 011D13205E00440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4FFB8FCFF7D8DADFB8E-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 8K0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 909 144 J    HW: 8R0 909 144 B
   Component: RCEPS         H41 0509  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 0014767149
   Coding: 100000010001
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008016
   ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X_008.rod
   VCID: 3FDBBF0F47F84A5F48E-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 JP    HW: 8K0 907 064 JP
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H14 0650  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0341886695    
   Coding: 0126023A20FA709584A0053600040047
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   VCID: 074B67EF5F28C29F30E-8052

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719 
   Component: GTO BF  H01 0080 
   Serial number: 00000000000000867730

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7N0 959 591 B    HW: 7N0 959 591 B
   Component: J245EE04SKB03  H03 0090 
   Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 7N0 959 591 B    HW: 7N0 959 591 B
   Component: J394EE04SKB03  H03 0090 
   Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 035 223 H    HW: 8R0 035 223 F
   Component: DSP STD       H11 0470  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000001
   Coding: 0203010102
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 313FE937812CAC2FCEA-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 R    HW: 8K0 959 792 P
   Component: TSG BF        H02 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000111257840 
   Coding: 011D13205E00440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4EC592CBF0D2D3D7B38-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 N    HW: 8K0 907 801 J
   Component: EPB-4         H02 0005  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000001516941
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001028
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_AU48.rod
   VCID: 3A2DCE1B5CDA6F777F0-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8R1 035 186 Q    HW: 8R1 035 186 Q
   Component: Con3 Sirius   H09 0471  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: AUZ5Z6N2066670
   Coding: 040200020105870003DB270800
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 43D3B3FF2B902EBF2C6-8016

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 G    HW: 8T0 919 603 G
   Component: Display  

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 G    HW: 8K0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HL        H01 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000111162672 
   Coding: 010C13204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 46D5AAEB18A21B970B8-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8R0 827 851 D    HW: 8R0 827 851 D
   Component: J605  Master  H56 0330  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 8R0827851D    
   VCID: 3D27C5074D74584F5A2-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 827 852 D    HW: 8R0 827 852 D
   Component: J756  Slave  H56 0330 
   Serial number: 8R0827852D          

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 G    HW: 8K0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HR        H01 0510  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000111154024 
   Coding: 010C13204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 46D5AAEB18A21B970B8-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
   Part No SW: 8T0 862 336 F    HW: 8T0 862 336 E
   Component: FSE_256x BT     H45 0660  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005383717
   Coding: 0010370
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3E25C20B4C724357438-806A

No fault code found.

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Address AC: Reductant Control (J880)       Labels: 4G0-907-355.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 355 D    HW: 4G0 907 355 B
   Component: SCR-Stg-G2    H10 0012  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 141850130
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RDCMA00100 008040
   ROD: EV_RDCMA00100_008.rod
   VCID: 2D07F5479D94C8CFEA2-8078

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:04, VBatt start/end: 12.1V/12.3V)-----------

Which should I be looking at to detect a fw (emission) flash?
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CPNB)
Revision:
Coding:
Shop #:
ASAM Dataset:
ROD:
VCID
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Seems like it might be a good idea to download and install the beta to ensure I detect any unauthorized "messing about" with the factory code?
Not necessary just to "detect".

Which should I be looking at to detect a fw (emission) flash?
Look for changes in the sections I've highlighted in blue:

Code:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CPNB)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K5 907 401 S    HW: 4G0 907 401 E
   Component: 3.0TDI EDC17  H14 0001  
   Revision: 58H14---    
   Coding: 2A2A4012052603050000
   Shop #: WSC 06208 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0118K5907401S 001003

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Just re-visiting this thread prior to taking my Q5 in to the dealer for a bit of warranty work. I am always very paranoid that the technicians will inadvertantly apply the diesel emissions "fix" to my ecm without my authorization (thus the thread on code matching above). Q: has anyone found their service center guilty of loading unauthorized emissions software on their TDI without authorization? I realize now that the second and subsequent diesel "fix" entails some hardware modifications to the emission system which might make it a bit more difficult to underatke accidentally.
 
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What kind of warranty work?

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I lost the side-assist system. Goes down after about an hour. Audi recalibrated the system...see if it fixes things (or not).
Uwe, can you please tell me what the following difference amounts to (and actually what VCID refers to.
Between scans in 2018 and now the VCID has changed.

2018 SCAN
Code:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CPNB)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K5 907 401 S    HW: 4G0 907 401 E
   Component: 3.0TDI EDC17  H14 0001 
   Revision: 58H14---   
   Coding: 2A2A4012052603050000
   Shop #: WSC 06208 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0118K5907401S 001003
   ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0118K5907401S.rod
   VCID: 40D9BCF33A0635A7314-8014

2020 SCAN
Code:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CPNB)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K5 907 401 S    HW: 4G0 907 401 E
   Component: 3.0TDI EDC17  H14 0001 
   Revision: 58H14---   
   Coding: 2A2A4012052603050000
   Shop #: WSC 06208 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0118K5907401S 001003
   ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0118K5907401S.rod
   VCID: 40D9BCF33A0635AB333-8014

I was planning on using the 2018 oem flash for submission to a tuner for ``performance enhancements`` however I`m wondering if the code thats currently residing on the ECM should be submitted rather than the original. Given the delta in the VCID string I`m concerned Audi may have added some patches over time. The vehicle does not have the diesel fix installed (never will).
I`d planned on just déloading a new image of the ECM however the damn loader won`t let me save a second flash from the vehicle for security reasons. If I clear the original out of the tool I run the risk of bricking the beast apparently. Thus the question about using the 2018 image and whether the VCID means anything.
 
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Forget VCID. It is calculated and rather than read directly from the module. Changes to VCID are expected with different versions of VCDS. I see no changes to the ECU itself between those scan snippets.

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Thanks Uwe, thats all I needed to hear. Yes, I see no other changes to engine to trans so likely we're ok to use the older file. Its only been into the dealer twice since the ECM code was backed up so its not likely they would have made any major changes/recalls etc.
 
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